Islam Revert
Dec 20th, 2008, in News, by PatungA teenage Australian girl from sunny Queensland finds Islam in Lampung and becomes a revert.
Kim, or Kimi, otherwise known as “KimDonesia” (Kim + Indonesia), a 17 year old Australian from Queensland, the Sunshine state, once lived in Lampung, southern Sumatra, for six months, accompanying her step-father who worked for a sugar company, Gula Putih Mataram (GPM).
While in Lampung she says she studied Islam, and was moved by the passionate devotion of the people there to the religion, and finally fell in love with it, particularly the sound of the call to prayer.
After moving back to Australia she converted to the faith, or reverted as she would have it. Here she explains, in rather good Indonesian, how she came to live in Indonesia in 2007:
In this video she explains her religious journey – from Wiccan moon worshipping, to nothing in particular, to Islam – she even has the pronunciation right, Islaaam, – and how living in Lampung and talking to the people there was one of the keys to her decision to throw her lot in with Allah.
Youtube Mission
Kimdonesia has in the short time since her conversion this year produced dozens of Islamic dakwah (missionary) videos on Youtube, and has a bit of a following among some Indonesians, at http://www.youtube.com/user/KimDonesia.
549 Comments on “Islam Revert”
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Burung Koel says:
The difference is race is real
Then define it.
What ‘race’is Tiger Woods? And for that matter, what ‘race’ is my son, who by the way scores 180 + on the Stanford Binet, and is a mixture (in almost equal parts) of Aboriginal, Mongolian, Russian, Tatar, English, Irish, Scots, Welsh and Jewish?
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Anthony Tolomeo says:
This is elementary knowledge. That is why there is race based diseases like tay sachs and sickle cell anemia.
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Good one, Burung, get him to define it.
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I think I’m dealing with a bunch of flat earthers here!LOL
I’m not your servant, I’m not going to define nothing for you, there are thousands of studies you can find on the internet that deal with race, most being medical and deal with genetics. That is why there are race based medications. You can play the sophist game all you want, but I will not waste my time!
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Oigal says:
Thanks BS..
Nagh.. Doesn’t work anymore than the defining race other than in the minds of the terminally logic challenged and somewhat useful scape goat for the various religious and secular despots who need something to draw the attention away from thier own nefarious deeds.
The very description you give is indicative of how silly the term is, “Northern Part of Americas” ‘The NW part of europe”
Even culturally it doesn’t work. France compared to USA would be hard pressed to be further apart and I certainly don’t get EU humour. Based on Capitialism and economic development which you seem to be using then why is Japan excluded.
Can’t be religion, USA v France again (USA in parts would push the nuttiest parts of the Middle East.
Speaking of Middle East and them dang Arabs, pretty sure most Iranians would take offence at being called Arab.
The West HQ is usually located in the centre of the world
Laugh…That would be where again? Who picks the centre on a ball? Been a long time since Europe was the centre of anything.
Now we can get onto whats a developing nation? Seeing how China has all the cash and owns the worlds debt, we can look forward her funding the UN and providing the largest dash of world aid removing the oft called strings attached AID from (chuckle) the west. Something to look forward to for us all.
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Oigal,
I think you’re the one that’s “terminally logic challenged.”
If race doesn’t exist his claims collapse and he looks even more stupid.
But you can’t “win” an argument with Tony or probably even change his mind. Maybe with some gentle coaxing he might come a bit closer. I think it’s more effective just to use ridicule.
It’s certainly better than pompous, bloated prose like that sampled below.
Doesn’t work anymore than the defining race other than in the minds of the terminally logic challenged and somewhat useful scape goat for the various religious and secular despots who need something to draw the attention away from thier own nefarious deeds.
But that’s what we’ll work on today, Oigal. I counted six – six – clauses in what they’d call a runaway train sentence. Mamma Mia. Have a bit of a read of Politics and the English Language, the 1946 essay on style by George Orwell.
It’ll be slow going because at this time of day, you’ll’ve probably been up all night pounding Bintangs and are now just waiting to leer at the caddies getting changed for the day. Go home to your Kos, have a bit of a lie down and a meat pie or whatever it is you Australians eat. In the meantime, just stick with these easy ‘uns from Politics:
(i) Never use a metaphor, simile, or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print.
(ii) Never us a long word where a short one will do.
(iii) If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.
(iv) Never use the passive where you can use the active.
(v) Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word, or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.
(vi) Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.
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To never split an infinitive can sometimes make one’s writing awkward.
The point about defining ‘race’ is to show up the meaninglessness of Anthony’s genetic argument. Every person in the world is, at furthest, a 32nd cousin to you. There is more genetic diversity in Central/West Africa than in the rest of the world combined. But people like Anthony would consider all ‘black Africans’ as the one ‘race’.
If race exists, it exists only in the minds of people. The English used to think the Scots, Welsh and Irish were different ‘races’, for example. If you can, try and find a copy of ‘Blue Eyes, Brown Eyes’, a documentary on Jane Elliot’s famous experiments on racism.
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BK,
That is the sort of English up with which I shall not put, as Winston Churchill said, adding, “when I split an infinitive, I want it to stay put.”
Most of the time it’s better not to split than to go boldly where few have gone before – like trying to fix Oigal’s English. But not splitting infinitives isn’t a ‘law’ of English, it’s a convention dating back to the 17th century when some twatty grammarian tried to model English grammar on that of Latin. I don’t think you actually can split an infinitive in Latin, but my Pesantren education left that out.
I also like reminding Singaporeans and Koreans that if they’re really into ancestor reverence, they should go all the way back to Africa.
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ASSMAD, You really are pretentious, self absorbed twit.
Any truth your other nickname is “FONC”
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Oigal,
Thanks, I do my best.
What’s FONC ?
Do have a read, Oigsie. : ) It’s all sound advice.
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FONC is your new nick, its fair, its accurate and its fun. As for the meaning, well well..You could go and ask one of your friends but I guess thats not possible (hint).
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No, I looked it up.
Urban Dictionary. Nice, Oigsie, Nice. Keepin’ hip with the young generation. Probably better way to do it than lift those mini-skirts, but hey, it’s Christmas, so you enjoy your meat pies. And Go for Gold, Oigles.
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I don’t think you actually can split an infinitive in Latin
No, you can’t. Latin verbs are (were?) just the one word.
I’m probably the last person who studied Latin at a state school in Australia.
Oh, and Happy Kwanzaa, everyone.
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Mr. Burungs,
This probably deserves to be on another thread – but do you think studying Latin has improved your use of English ?
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FONC’s have been around since adam was a boy,mores the pity. As usual the depth of knowledge is simply google deep in your case.
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Oigal,
Better. Not more than three clauses this time. I suppose the acronyms are a result of your military frontal lobotomy.
Oh, and Oigal, did you manage to get through the essay ?
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timdog says:
Achmad:
Oigal. I counted six – six – clauses in what they’d call a runaway train sentence
Actually Mas Achmad, there is, I would argue, nothing whatsover wrong – in a fundamental sense – with a multi-clause sentence, if – and this is crucial – one has formidable control; it’s like juggling – with words rather than balls – and it allows you to play with all sorts of exotic punctuation, not least that which is my personal favourite, and that which is wrongly maligned by so many style-fascists: the semi-colon, or half-asshole as I like to call it; and of course, my love of elipsises is well attested, so you have to end up with one of them…
It’s curious. My stylistic heroes are Bruce Chatwin and Ernest Hemingway. I like reading short, declarative sentences. Unless they were written by VS Naipaul. Why then do I prefer to build veritable skyscraper sentences myself?
Happy. Christmas.
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Hi Timdog,
Sure. It’s about flow and clarity. But in general, and especially with less competent writers (and lovers), such as Oigal, the longer the sentence the greater the chance for mangling and jangling. It’s a bit like when Oigal went through basic military training. You don’t teach the grunts the sublties of Sun Tzu.
The formidable control takes a while to develop. (I was born with my formidable kon…. Va Va Voom!). But I’m just trying to bring Oigal up to a basic level of competence as I’m thinking of offering him an administrative outpost somewhere, say, Bowral or wherever when we invade and occupy Australia.Oh, Timdog.
Perhaps a holidays reading list from you ?? Just your personal favorites…
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bs says:
@herr Anthony der sturmpantzerfuhrer (sorry no umlaut on my keyboard)
I once read that a while ago the “official” number of races went from 4 (black, white, asian, eskimo) to 3 (black, white, asian).
Would you call that genocide?
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What are you talking about? There are still Eskimos in this world. There are three distinct races atleast, with many subgroups amongst them. I can grow a full beard, while Indonesians can only grow cat and dog wiskers, because we are two different races.
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Ok, Anthony, you’re a civilized, well-educated guy.
Perhaps you could explain what you mean by race. There are a few scientific definitions floating around. Which one do you subscribe to ?
(Please note I didn’t insult you in this post).
For example, what race is Obama ? Keanu Reaves ? Tiger Woods ? Shucks, they took a DNA swab from one of Thomas Jefferson’s ancestors and found out he had Middle Eastern blood in that line somewhere.
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It is better for you to research that stuff your self. I don’t have the time or motivation to get all deep in’it like that. You know a bantu from a China man from a Germanic from Arab from Indo-Malay. You know when you’re standing next to a European there is some differences.
I’m leaving here if you all believe in the Jew god who created us from dust! LOL
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Dragonwall, andy, and now anthony tolomeo? How exactly IM became infested by pendejos like them? Btw, anthony is a classic example of bule dumped / tricked by ugly kampung(an) girl he met in a shady bar in Blok M?
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Diego, I would never be with an Asian woman for something other then a sexual tryst, even then I would probably pass. They don’t interest me really, physically or intellectually, plus my parents would disown me. I found this site googling something over a year ago and bookmarked it. I went back to read it occassionaly, and the blame whitey stuff struck a cord. I would never go to Indonesia and give them people any of my money either.
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Anthony,
Doesn’t take much time. You could’ve just said what you think the definition is. In fact what you’re really saying is:
You don’t know. You speaketh through yo’ Ass.But I’ll help you out with a little science lesson. Race in the sense you use it is a cultural category. It’s true, there’s medical research into genetic traits, such as disease susceptibility within certain populations.
But scientists have found other categories such as ecoclines or clines useful as a predictive and taxonomic tool. Clines refer to phenotypes and often cross skin colour boundaries. Get it ?
Here’s an experiment: try starting conversations about the link between genetics, culture and economic development along the lines you have here with some educated Asians and African Americans. See what they say.
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careful pak Achmad,
If herr Anthony finds out his blood line is “contaminated” with Asian or African stuff, he might have to commit suicide (or kill the parent that gave it to him).By the way, my sister is really blond. That means she, like other blond girls over here, has a higher risk for anemia. Should blondes be a separate race as well?
Bitte herr Anthony, enlighten us. You seem to know all this.And no, I don’t believe anything (ghosts, religion, car salesmen) unless there’s scientific evidence (or my wife asks me to believe it 😉 ). So herr Anthony can stay.
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Hi BS,
Unfortunately, his bloodline is. We’re all spearchuckers from way back. Wise move on the wife; they run the show, we’re better off just accepting it. : )
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Do you think this Anthony fellow is a troll. I have a sneaking suspicion.
But anyway, on his nonsense about civilisation, anyone with even a relatively limited knowledge of world history will notice that the civilisational baton has, clearly, been passed back and forth across the Eurasian continent since time immemorial. A few places – the Indian Subcontinent, the Upper Middle East, the Mediterranean – seem to have been enduring crucibles, but generally speaking over the last five millenia everywhere between Kerry and Kamchatka has had its turn at being the “most advanced civilisation”. And things clearly only came very late to Europe, and if the faintly hysterical newspaper commentators are to be believed the European (read: “western”) moment is now passing in favour of China. What a silly boy… -
Anthony,
Doesn’t take much time. You could’ve just said what you think the definition is. In fact what you’re really saying is:
You don’t know. You speaketh through yo’ Ass.
But I’ll help you out with a little science lesson. Race in the sense you use it is a cultural category. It’s true, there’s medical research into genetic traits, such as disease susceptibility within certain populations.
But scientists have found other categories such as ecoclines or clines useful as a predictive and taxonomic tool. Clines refer to phenotypes and often cross skin colour boundaries. Get it ?
Here’s an experiment: try starting conversations about the link between genetics, culture and economic development along the lines you have here with some educated Asians and African Americans. See what they say
You know there are different races with different attributes, that is what matters. Race isn’t about eye or hair color either, there always exceptions. Intelligence is genetic, and has been proven in countless studies. Some races have larger brains then others, and the ones with larger brains are usually smarter. In this day they can determine a persons race from DNA, you can’t have a rebuttal, because race does exist. Then you want to call someone a Nazi for accepting a scientific fact.
Do you think this Anthony fellow is a troll. I have a sneaking suspicion.
But anyway, on his nonsense about civilisation, anyone with even a relatively limited knowledge of world history will notice that the civilisational baton has, clearly, been passed back and forth across the Eurasian continent since time immemorial. A few places – the Indian Subcontinent, the Upper Middle East, the Mediterranean – seem to have been enduring crucibles, but generally speaking over the last five millenia everywhere between Kerry and Kamchatka has had its turn at being the “most advanced civilisation”. And things clearly only came very late to Europe, and if the faintly hysterical newspaper commentators are to be believed the European (read: “western”) moment is now passing in favour of China. What a silly boy…The only trolls here are the sophist. Anyone who has ever read a history book knows civilization is a subjective term. The only thing we can be sure of is the present and the not too distant past. The technological gains made by the West in the last 200 years have surpassed any other civilization, even those that been revised to be greater then they were in these politically correct times. The jump from the wheel to the airplane is unimaginable. From writing on rocks to typing on the internet the mind can barely grasp. To consider all people and civilizations as equal is loco. For a small minority of people to come up with all these things you have to tip your hat to them and just say they are smarter. You Indonesians with your 200 million people couldn’t do it. You didn’t produce one thing on par with the automobile, the computer, the airplane, electricity, etc…….
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