Islam Revert
Dec 20th, 2008, in News, by PatungA teenage Australian girl from sunny Queensland finds Islam in Lampung and becomes a revert.
Kim, or Kimi, otherwise known as “KimDonesia” (Kim + Indonesia), a 17 year old Australian from Queensland, the Sunshine state, once lived in Lampung, southern Sumatra, for six months, accompanying her step-father who worked for a sugar company, Gula Putih Mataram (GPM).
While in Lampung she says she studied Islam, and was moved by the passionate devotion of the people there to the religion, and finally fell in love with it, particularly the sound of the call to prayer.
After moving back to Australia she converted to the faith, or reverted as she would have it. Here she explains, in rather good Indonesian, how she came to live in Indonesia in 2007:
In this video she explains her religious journey – from Wiccan moon worshipping, to nothing in particular, to Islam – she even has the pronunciation right, Islaaam, – and how living in Lampung and talking to the people there was one of the keys to her decision to throw her lot in with Allah.
Youtube Mission
Kimdonesia has in the short time since her conversion this year produced dozens of Islamic dakwah (missionary) videos on Youtube, and has a bit of a following among some Indonesians, at http://www.youtube.com/user/KimDonesia.
549 Comments on “Islam Revert”
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Nay says:
There’s not much to elaborate. Someone denying God in Indonesia wouldn’t make any friends.
In Indonesia, having no belief in God is seen as incomprehensible.
In my understanding, to deny God would be to deny reality, your own life, ignore the value of truth, and the worth of other people’s lives. It’s very nihilistic and dangerous, and dare I say, satanic.Having said that, I underline that Oigal has a massive issue with *organized* religion. I think some of those claims are valid. Organized religion has often spun off the original teachings and turned people into monsters, and people have done terrible things in the name of God and religious belief that are anything but pious.
Still, that’s no reason to bash one’s religious traditions or personal beliefs,… whatever they are. It just shows a complete lack of respect. Every follower of any religion has their own traditions, symbolism, myth, and ritual.
Furthermore being angry at someone doesn’t hurt that person as much as you hurt yourself.
“You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger. ” -Buddha
Same with insulting people and ad hominem attacks… it usually tells people more about who is doing the insulting, rather than who is being insulted.Life is too short to waste on that.
Anyway, … off my soap box….
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Interfaith studies – what’s that? A group of children in the playground discussing who has the better imaginary friend?
No, just people trying to find the bits where different religions overlap and can gain better understanding of each other.
For sure, trying to figure out who’s imaginary friend, symbolism, myth, ritual is better is really just a huge pissing contest. Let’s look at the reality we face. “God” is letting us get away with having a pile of different religious systems and patterns of thought and belief. We could say that this is how evolution works. By having many competing idelogies, the best ones rise to the top and the bad ones who supposedly aren’t doing “God’s will” are dying off.
Anybody still around worshipping the Greek gods? How about the Egyptian gods?
I didn’t think so….Trouble is, unless you’re famous, within a few generations after you’re dead no-one will even remember that you existed
But your DNA lives on…
Yep. Having children is one way we can “reincarnate” and “live forever”
What we do today can make an impact on eternity.
That’s my definition of “heaven” and as you can see, “God” resides there.
As do all his “angels”Once you crack the meaning of the symbolism, religious texts start making a bit more rational sense.
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In Indonesia, having no belief in God is seen as incomprehensible.
In my understanding, to deny God would be to deny reality, your own life, ignore the value of truth, and the worth of other people’s lives. It’s very nihilistic and dangerous, and dare I say, satanic.Oigal talks about ‘god botherers.’ Then he goes on to list what’s wrong with Indonesia. Like I said, I’d be interested to know the general opinion from Indonesians criticized by an aetheist bule.
As for insults, Nay, well nay, it can be an art form. : )
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ET says:
Nay said
Still, that’s no reason to bash one’s religious traditions or personal beliefs,… whatever they are.
Why not if these believes intend to do harm or cause mayhem for those who don’t share these believes?
Is it because some ideology calls itself a religion and refers to some fancied supernatural authority that everybody should shut up or become hypocritical? Or is it because once the power factor sets in it suddenly or gradually becomes respectable?
Is it because a couple of millions North-Koreans venerate Kim Jong Il as their Supreme Leader that I can’t vent my opinion about the idiocy this lunatic represents? Or despise Ayathollas who turn a country with a marvellous cultural history into a mental jailhouse?Shall I go on?
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devilkitty says:
Juxtapositioned upon Islam, then…. a kafir is one who denies “life” or “Allah” or “God” or whatever human word we can come up with… meaning that, in my mind, there are very few true “kafir”. Even if one doesn’t accept Islam as their “religion”, it does not mean that one does not accept “Allah” or “God”. (I’m sure some Muslims could use that argument to their benefit).
I agree with Nay 100% 😉
Not all non muslims are Kuffar, and not all “muslims” are those who believe (people with “iman/faith”).
Do all believers must have the word “Islam” written on their KTP ? No.
Al-Baqarah : 62. Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the believers of the unseen, whoever believes in the one god Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.What is iman/faith ? Who are the believers ?
Al Baqarah 1-5
Alif Lam Mim.
This Book, there is no doubt in it, is a guide to those who guard (against evil).
Those who believe in the unseen and keep up prayer and spend out of what We have given them.
These are on a right course from their Lord and these it is that shall be successful.Not all non muslims will go to hell, and not all people who claim themselves as Muslims are actually Muslims (instead of hypocrites/munafik).
Al-baqarah : 8-12
And there are some people who say: We believe in Allah and the last day; and they are not at all believers.
They desire to deceive Allah and those who believe, and they deceive only themselves and they do not perceive.
In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie.
When it is said to them: “Make not mischief on the earth,” they say: “Why, we only Want to make peace!”
Now surely they themselves are the mischief makers, but they do not perceive.Between all believers (from any religion & any spirituality), we’re not so different cos we’re actually worship the same deity.
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Burung Koel says:
We could say that this is how evolution works. By having many competing idelogies, the best ones rise to the top and the bad ones who supposedly aren’t doing “God’s will” are dying off.
Richard Dawkins covers this quite well in a couple of his books.
In fact, it’s not the ‘best’ ones that rise to the top at all – it’s the ones that have the greatest ability to compete. History suggests that mainstream Christianity ‘succeeded’ by being absorbed into the greatest military and political structure of the time – the Roman Empire. This gave it the capacity to punish (wipe out) competing faiths, which were labelled ‘heresies’. Similarly, Islam ‘succeeded’ because it aligned itself with the Arab conquests, also wiping out any minor faiths of the Arabian Peninsula, the Middle East and Persia.
So any religion that actually implemented the supposed universal concepts of ‘peace, tolerance and understanding’ would end up with all its adherents massacred by the followers of the warlike ones, who believe in the killing of heretics and infidels. Sound familiar?
In my understanding, to deny God would be to deny reality, your own life, ignore the value of truth, and the worth of other people’s lives. It’s very nihilistic and dangerous, and dare I say, satanic.
The good thing about being an atheist or an agnostic, is that you place greater value on truth over mindless belief, and on other people as individuals rather than as categories or types based on where they were born. And you don’t have to worry about God, or Satan.
No, just people trying to find the bits where different religions overlap and can gain better understanding of each other.
Different religions are all just the same guilt, but with different holidays.
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muhammadelijah says:
(I’m sure some Muslims could use that argument to their benefit).
al-Haqq is one of the Asmaa’ or Names of Allaah. al-Haqq or The Truth is unique like Allaah. al-Haqq is never syncretistsic or pluralistic. Our syncretistic tendencies only show that we are not true or sincere to al-Haqq.
Or is it because once the power factor sets in it suddenly or gradually becomes respectable?
As long as Godliness doesn’t become a contender of power, Godlessness is bound to prevail, as happened in the case of Christianity which in its own heartlands has become an antiquated decoration piece. It explains why the Christendom gave birth to the monster of secularism.
Marx,Engels or Lenin, I don’t precisely remember, had said that ruling ideas are the ideas of ruling class. A quote of a Western personality I memorised during my teenage I would mention goes like this:the only thing necessary for triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. It is where Islam departs from all other religions, and this explains why Islam, and only Islam, has and would continue to withstand the onslaught of Godlessness that triumphed in Christendom because the priests wasted their intellectual energies in justifying complicated and pagan Christologies to have some soteriological significance like disguised polytheism of trinity and the blasphemous incarnation, vicarious atonement as a justification of antinomianism, while the monster of Godlessness disguised as antitheistic “rationalism” that emerged in Christendom ended up secularising the entire planet, ironically due to the misguided fervour of misguided Evangelising Nasaaraa (as Allaah refers to Christians in al-Qur’aan )except the heartlands of Islam. I wonder why did they bother to allure us when their own adherents had begun to revolt against it? Would Godliness triumph if all Muslims convert to Christianty and accept the status to which God and religion are relegated to in the modern West? Infact, Godless materialists like US and Israel would be very content and there would be the grand deception called “Peace” which is no more than the acceptance of the subjugation of God and religion by Godless materialist states
If your Godliness doesn’t inspire you to political action against evil, you are not true to God. This is the essence of Jihaad Fee Sabeelillaah Striving in the Way of God.
Jihaad=Struggle
Sabeel=WayIslam far from being an opium of the masses becomes a relentless political activism until the righteous and reighteousness prevail over the wicked and the wickedness.
In the end those who dispose of the most advanced weaponry will prevail. You better keep this in mind.
Does “In the end” mean before Yaumul Qiyaamah(Day of Resurrection) in this world or Aakhirah(The eternal universe in the Hereafter)? In both cases, your statement is bound to be proven false. After all, God can prove His existence through the weak men of faith.
Soorah Al-Israa[The Night Journey of Muhammad (s.a.a.w.s.)]
Aayah 81
(Picktall) And say al-Haqq (Truth) hath come and al-Baatil (All Falsehood) hath vanished away. Lo! al-Baatil is ever bound to vanish.
(Asad) And say: “The al-Haqq has now come, and al-Baatil has withered away: for, behold, al-Baatil is bound to wither away!
http://honorablequran.com/17.htm
s.a.a.w.s.=sall Allaahu ‘alaihi wasallam(May God Bless Him and grant Him Peace) -
A quote of a Western personality I memorised during my teenage I would mention goes like this:the only thing necessary for triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Goodness has nothing to do with religion.
‘Good’ people do good things, and ‘bad’ people do bad things. But if you want a good person to do a bad thing, then you need religion. Non-believers don’t fly planes into buildings.
Try reading some Dostoevsky – he was a devout Orthodox Christian, but he understood about the concepts of good and evil, and the brainwashing by priests. I’d recommend ‘Notes From The Underground’.
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Goodness has nothing to do with religion.
The same goodness we find in the case of Soviets who mass-slaughtered Muslim women and children in Afghanistan because they shared the “rationalism” of the “rest of rationalist world” and because they thought that “once the power factor sets in it suddenly or gradually becomes respectable” and they thought that “those who dispose of the most advanced weaponry will prevail in the end” as they were somehow God themselves.
Godless materialists worship only one God- Dunyaa or money. Whether they are disguised in the garb of religion like the luxurious lifestyles of popes, missionaries, evangelists, rabbis or the garb of secular ideologies.
Non-believers don’t fly planes into buildings.
But they can brainwash their coward citizens by exploiting their hypothetical fears to support the mass-slaughter of Muslim women and children by bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan who never did it nor condoned it. Ikhwanul Muslimoon(Muslim Brotherhood) in Misr(Egypt) and Jamaati Islaami in Pakistan like many other devout Muslim activists across the planet denounced it on the basis of the following Aayah 32 of Soorah Al Maaidah of Qur’aan in which God recalls the law of Torah.
Soorah Al Maaidah[The Table Spread]
Aayah 32
Because of this did We ordain unto the children of Israel that if anyone slays a human being unless it be [in punishment] for murder or for spreading mischief in the earth – it shall be as though he had slain all mankind: if anyone saves a life, it shall be as though he had saved the lives of all mankind
http://honorablequran.com/5.htmUS shares the same Godless materialism of Soviets. A Pakistani official involved in US-Mujaahideen negotiations after 9/11 confessed that US didn’t have proofs of the involvement of Mujaahid Usaamah bin Laadan in 9/11, so Mullah Umar refused to hand him over because it is Haraam[Illegitimate according to God’s Law) for a Muslim to hand over a Muslim brother, the same Mujaahid brother who gave them Nusrah (Help) in the Qitaal (Just Holy War) against Kuffaar(Unbelievers) of Roos(Russia) ,to a Kaafir(unbeliever). This Qitaal against Godless materialists would continue in the light of Aayah 190 of Soorah Al Baqarah.
Soorah Al Baqarah[The Cow]
Aayah 190
AND FIGHT in God’s cause against those who wage war against you, but do not exceed Limits[set by God] verily, God does not love those who exceed Limits[set by God].
http://honorablequran.com/2.htmTry reading some Dostoevsky – he was a devout Orthodox Christian
Had he been on Orthodox Muslim he would have been a great Muslim Mujaahid rather than an armchair writer.
and the brainwashing by priests.
And he would have been amazed to discover that every Muslim is a priest or priestess himself or herself respectively.
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But they can brainwash their coward citizens by exploiting their hypothetical fears to support the mass-slaughter of Muslim women and children by bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan who never did it nor condoned it.
You forgot to add millions of Muslim women and children.
Shame on you.
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You forgot to add millions of Muslim women and children.
This reminds of this:
Before the Iraq War, in March 2002 in Afghanistan at a news conference at Bagram Air Base, U.S. General Tommy Franks had said, “we don’t do body counts.”A non-profit, sociological project of an investigative nature within the Sonoma State University Foundation Project Censored has named the “corporate media blackout” of the number of Iraqi deaths caused by US occupation (which it estimates at over one million) as the number one censored story for 2009.
Over One Million Iraqi Deaths Caused by US Occupation
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/1-over-one-million-iraqi-deaths-caused-by-us-occupation/At least 7.5 million people have been killed in Afghanistan and Iraq
since the U.S. and coalition attacks which is about 251 times as many people have been killed in Afghanistan and Iraq than in the ghastly attacks of September 11, 2001.
http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.htmlShame on Godless materialists rather who don’t do body count of Muslim Shuhadaa or Martyrs.
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At least 7.5 million people have been killed in Afghanistan and Iraq
Let”s hope it makes your mujahideen in the future think twice before hijacking planes and slamming them into civilian office towers, then refuse to hand over those responsible.
As I said before, those with the most advanced weaponry will prevail. Keep it in mind.
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Let”s hope it makes your mujahideen in the future think twice before hijacking planes and slamming them into civilian office towers, then refuse to hand over those responsible.
We won’t commit such atrocities because Allaah will call us to account on Yaumul Qiyaamah after Maut(Death). But Godless materialists don’t feel remorse while mass-slaughtering millions of Muslims by bombs.
http://islamdenouncesterrorism.com/
As I said before, those with the most advanced weaponry will prevail. Keep it in mind.
Godless Soviets also thought alike.
Soorah Al Maa’idah
Aayah 56
For, all who ally themselves with God and His Apostle and those who have attained to faith – behold, it is they, the partisans of God, who shall be victorious!
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Godless Soviets also thought alike.
But they weren’t forced to use their most advanced weaponry, unlike the US who made a drastic end to the desperate and senseless suicidal kamikaze missions in the Far East. Once people start to use their own life as a lethal weapon thereby intentionally destroying the enemy as well as themselves no reasonable solution can be attained unless with extraordinary means.
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Funny how some people think, isn’t it? Keeping two opposing ideas in your head at the same time must be a challenge, but then again I wouldn’t expect anything less from people who believe in fairy stories.
The USA is described by Middle Eastern critics as Godless, and often in the same sentence, also as Crusaders. In truth, America is one of the least godless countries in the world, and as I mentioned a while back, Islamic fundamentalists/literalists have more in common with their Christian brethren in middle America than with the rest of us.
I’m not sure if you know, but the ‘West’ and the former Soviet Union were diametrically opposed on most things. You may have heard of the Cold War. To equate Western materialism with dialetical materialism is a considerable error. By the way, if it’s gross materialism that offends you, have you been to Dubai lately? Maybe their economy tanking in recent months is Allah’s retribution?
In previous posts, you claim that educated women become lesbians. Funny, because you also seem to think that these same women are heterosexually promiscuous and therefore sinful. They can’t really be both. So what are they – sluts or dykes? Make up your mind.
Regarding Dostoevsky – whom you haven’t read, obviously – have you ever noticed that it’s not liberal, secular societies than ban books? It’s societies like yours. Why? because, unlike ET, I rather think the biggest thing you fundamentalists are scared of is not weaponry, but IDEAS. It would be a shame if your people started thinking for themselves, instead of being restricted to what a few crazy old men think is good for them.
And I disagree completely with you about life – liberal humanists place a much greater value on human beings than religious zealots who are told there is an afterlife. I’m still enough of an optimist to believe that ideas and knowledge will prevail, despite the threat of lunatics like you strapping bombs to their bodies and sending people to oblivion. If that’s not nihilism, I don’t know what is.
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Anthony Tolomeo says:
Islam and Christianity are both fake religions that get their nuts from Judaism, a religion of fiction. The people who believe in them are giving up their life to a disgusting Semitic Allah/God that was created out of nothing by the Jews, and copied from the ancient Egyptians and Sumerians.
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The USA is described by Middle Eastern critics as Godless, and often in the same sentence, also as Crusaders.
By the way, I am a South Asian.
In a debate with a Christian, I was told that crusades were politically motivated rather than religious. Even colonialists claimed the mantle of evangelising the enemies of Christ-Muslims, although they failed to evangelise Muslims but ended up leading Muslims away from God. Non-Islamic world is essentially a secular Godless world, where God and religion have been relegated to temples, synagogues, churches, monasteries and basically the private sphere. For a Muslim, Islam is an all-encompassing cosmic perspective, a self-sufficient anthropic vision that rules out the possibility of compartmentalising life into public and private spheres and any other worldview that allows for the hypocrisy of distinguishing between the secular and the spiritual is nothing but Godless. Even the religious rhetoric of neocons in the US or religious Zionists of Israel, are cries in the desert of Godlessness.
I rather think the biggest thing you fundamentalists are scared of is not weaponry, but IDEAS.
Ironically, it is the same thing Muslims think that Godless materialists are scared of. When we hear Nicholas Sarkozy publicly intimidates Muslim women who wear Niqab veil, which my zoologist mother also wears, and orders that the number of women wearing Niqab in France are to be counted for scrutiny,
and privately states the following to a personal acquaintance the following.
Why are you so focused on the theme of Turkey and Islamization?– Quite simply because we will see the first transformations of churches into mosques in the coming three years. At any rate, that is what Nicolas Sarkozy told me.
– When?
– I had an in depth discussion with him at Elysée at the end of last year. He said to me: “You have intuition, I have the figures. And your intuition is confirmed by my figures. The Islamization of Europe is inevitable.” Careful: it’s a process that will not occur overnight, but will take decades.
– Why does this issue appear to be of central importance to you?
– Most politicians have a comforting ignorance of what Islam is and propose transforming Europe into a supermarket of competing religions. Unaware that Islam is not only a religion since, by melding the temporal and the spiritual, it imposes a law. But behind this comforting ignorance of politicians, there are those who know. (…) The reality is that we are headed for a criss-cross [chassé-croisé] with, on one side, Europe and its en masse abortions, its promotion of gay marriage, and on the other, immigration en masse (…)
When a Muslim woman Marwa Sherbini wearing Hijab is stabbed to death in a German court, when a Swiss poll results call for a ban on Minarets, all point to a deliberate suppression of the spiritual resurgence of Islam.
I’m not sure if you know, but the ‘West’ and the former Soviet Union were diametrically opposed on most things.
But they both agree on relegating God and religion to an inferior status.
liberal humanists place a much greater value on human beings
What is liberalism? It’s something similar to what people call “freedom”. It’s something we hear on TV along with the footage of Muslim nations being destroyed by bombs. How would the Abu Ghraib prisoners percieve it? This reminds me of the words of criminal Donalds Rumsfeld responsible for the Abu Ghraib nudity of Muslim prisoners who was enquired when national library of Iraq was not being given protection, he replied.
When asked at the time why U.S. troops did not actively seek to stop the lawlessness, then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld famously said: “Stuff happens … and it’s untidy and freedom’s untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things. They’re also free to live their lives and do wonderful things. And that’s what’s going to happen here.”
In previous posts, you claim that educated women become lesbians.
But all such enemies of God in the West are educated women who claim the mantle of feminism to promote their “rights”. The only right they have in Islamic law is execution.
Man Wajadtumoohu Ya’malu ‘Amala Qaumi Lootin Faqtulul Faa’ila wal Maf’oola Bihi
Both of those found guilty of the crime of the People of Loot (a.s.) (Lot) must be put to death.
-Our Nabee (s.a.a.w.s.)To willingly ignore the insidiuos symbiosis of feminism and hypersexualisation of women would be tantamount to commit a moral suicide.
despite the threat of lunatics like you strapping bombs to their bodies and sending people to oblivion. If that’s not nihilism, I don’t know what is.
There is a difference the freedom fighters keep in mind between non-combatants and Godless materialistic invaders. They aren’t nihilists but great idealists and opitimists who value the blood of their Muslim brothers and sisters and hope that their sacrifices would become a harbinger of a new dawn of freedom and a victory of faith over materialism.
Islam and Christianity are both fake religions that get their nuts from Judaism, a religion of fiction. The people who believe in them are giving up their life to a disgusting Semitic Allah/God that was created out of nothing by the Jews, and copied from the ancient Egyptians and Sumerians.
The entire Muslim civilisation affirms the Divine origin of Early Judaism of Moses (Moosaa(a.s.)) and the Early Christianity of Jesus (‘Eesaa(a.s.)). The sole raison detre of the collective existence of Muslim civilisation is to proclaim the glory of God when people from the community of Yahood (Jews) and people from the community of Nasaaraa (Christians) would rebel against God. And now the menace of secularism plagues the entire historical heartlands of Yahoodiyyah and Nasraaniyyah .
By the way, where did Sumerians copied this from? In every time and place in human history, men sent by God have conveyed the purpose of life He chose for them.
Sooorah Faatir[The Originator]
Aayah 24
Verily, We have sent thee with the truth, as a bearer of glad tidings and a warner: for there never was any community but a warner lived in its midst.
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Islam and Christianity are both fake religions that get their nuts from Judaism, a religion of fiction. The people who believe in them are giving up their life to a disgusting Semitic Allah/God that was created out of nothing by the Jews, and copied from the ancient Egyptians and Sumerians.
My gawd, found my soulmate here….
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There is a difference the freedom fighters keep in mind between non-combatants and Godless materialistic invaders. They aren’t nihilists but great idealists and opitimists who value the blood of their Muslim brothers and sisters and hope that their sacrifices would become a harbinger of a new dawn of freedom and a victory of faith over materialism.
What about the young children murdered by these zealots? Are they materialistic invaders? They are certainly non-combatants.
A moment ago you wouldn’t commit yourself to supporting these lunatics. Only God would judge them, you said. But then you are very quick to condemn to hell just about anyone who isn’t of the true faith.
As a believer in fairy stories, your hypocrisy defines you. But in justifying your ‘faith’, your mealy mouthed rhetoric disgusts me.
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What about the young children murdered by these zealots? Are they materialistic invaders? They are certainly non-combatants.
Collateral damage.
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The entire Muslim civilisation affirms the Divine origin of Early Judaism of Moses (Moosaa(a.s.)) and the Early Christianity of Jesus (‘Eesaa(a.s.)). The sole raison detre of the collective existence of Muslim civilisation is to proclaim the glory of God when people from the community of Yahood (Jews) and people from the community of Nasaaraa (Christians) would rebel against God. And now the menace of secularism plagues the entire historical heartlands of Yahoodiyyah and Nasraaniyyah .
By the way, where did Sumerians copied this from? In every time and place in human history, men sent by God have conveyed the purpose of life He chose for them.
Sooorah Faatir[The Originator]
Aayah 24
Verily, We have sent thee with the truth, as a bearer of glad tidings and a warner: for there never was any community but a warner lived in its midst.
http://honorablequran.com/35.htmIslam uses the fake stories of earlier prophets to prove their religion is legit. The problem is the character Jesus probably never existed, and there is zero proof other prophets like Moses or Abraham for example existed. From what we know of Mohammed, there was never an actual Koran produced during the time he was alive, it came over 100 years later. Everything we know about him came hundreds of years after his death when they collected the hadiths. You have to rely on the words of people who never actually even met the man. To be a Muslim you have to believe in all types of absurd beliefs like Adam & Eve, Noahs ark, virgin births, men being take up to heaven while they were actually killed on a cross, angels talking to men in caves, etc. Today we know none of these things are possible, but they serve a purpose, controlling people and keeping them in line. It’s better to study the culture and political climate of Arabia to understand Islam. The religions was basically the same as the Jews false religion, the Arabs just made it more Arabized and called it Al Islaam. As I said before the Semitic God/Allah is a despicable character. He gets “off” on torturing people in the worse possible manner for eternity if you don’t believe in him, and he claims that you don’t even choose to follow him or not, it’s just his “will!” LOL!
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Oigal says:
I guess the point is how would such Indonesians feel about a Bule criticising their public standards from an aetheist moral perspective
Tsk Tsk Assmad, we both know the point is you once again you are attempting to turn a discussion personal a your intellectual depth on most subjects is shallow to say the least. It is also a very silly and dangerous game for someone to try and turn a debate on religion to a personal attack. Stop pretending that for one minute you have any intention of contributing anything to the discussion expect personal and sad little vendettas.
However, people getting hurt has never been a concern of yours and your crocodile sponsor has it as long as you appear clever in the short term.
You probably didn’t even notice no one even cares about your opinion or attempts to derail yet another discussion. A vile little creature who provided mild amusement with its insults until it became apparent you were nothing but a mouthpiece for the crocodiles sucking the life from Indonesia. Not content with playing Indonesian you have the nerve to pretend to speak for Indonesian Religious beliefs as well? If you knowledge of that is equal to your knowledge on everything else you have commented on then pity you.It is repugant than someone like you who has contributed nothing to Indonesia assume the mantle of who or who may not comment or by what qaulifications they must have. Very Old (new) order but expected considering your means (not so secret anymore) of support.
The psuedo Indonesians like yourself contribute nothing to Indonesia you are if I may paraphrase another just another no hoper, arse licking bule feeding on the scraps from its crocodile masters.
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deta says:
The psuedo Indonesians like yourself contribute nothing to Indonesia you are if I may paraphrase another just another no hoper, arse licking bule feeding on the scraps from its crocodile masters.
No, according to my investigation, Achmad Sudarsono is an Indonesian pretending to be bule by creating a character that leads the readers to believe (with his article about Kevin ‘Bloody’ Wilson and such) that he is an oz bule pretending to be Indonesian….. 😉
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donny says:
Oooohh ??? Assmad is an Indonesian !!??
now we can start Assmad Fan Club sooner … and faster !!!
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Cukurungan says:
But they weren’t forced to use their most advanced weaponry, unlike the US who made a drastic end to the desperate and senseless suicidal kamikaze missions in the Far East. Once people start to use their own life as a lethal weapon thereby intentionally destroying the enemy as well as themselves no reasonable solution can be attained unless with extraordinary means.
There is no drastic end and the game is not over yet, however, we are happy to share our expertise in the war game, if you want to win a war you have to destroy the war moral justification of your enemy otherwise you will only win a battle but you will never win a war. Unfortunately drone attack can not destroy the moral justification even strengthened it ….. you do not need take my worth, let us learn from the history. US could manage to defeat Nazi and Japanese in WW but US failed to defeat Vietnamese even US won in all battle against Vietnamese but US forget to kill Vietnamese Moral Justification while US has loss its moral justification to continue the war. The history was repeat again when Russia tried to exert their muscle on Afghanistan and it will be repeated again with US too because I do not think that American TAX payers is willing to finance forever WAR and a corrupt government (US Afghan allies) and if US tax payers stop the funding for Afghan regime, it is the time al-Qaeda and Taliban will re-group again because ordinary Afghan will simply follow who can pay them higher.
Oooohh ??? Assmad is an Indonesian !!??
now we can start Assmad Fan Club sooner … and faster !
Mas Donny Yth,
Either Assmad is Indonesian or Bule, it does not matter as long as he is defending UUD45 and Pancasila he is our brother in ideology.
Our condition today is quite similar during on 1945, now, we are in the middle of war, of course, it is not physical war as our predecessor encountered but today we are in the middle of the Mind WAR, the War between the our value in which based on the brotherhood and justice as written on UUD 45 and Pancasila against the wicked value brought by bule in which based on denial and concoction.
You do not need to take my word just check by your self how the bule Australian has been cooking their dark history to become the color full and touching heart humanity history. In Australia book store or Library you will never find word of “killing aboriginal” instead you will find “elimination of undesirable elements to ensure ongoing stability and strength of the Australian society”, you will never find word of “ Aboriginal Rape” instead of your will find “to provide required sexual pleasures to those savages in order to promote love and harmony in the society” and you will never find word “stolen aboriginal children” instead of you will find “Australian simply went through tremendous amount of difficulties and endured a significant amount of sacrifices to promote integration”regards,
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Ah Cukky our factually disabled troll, once again we find ourselves in search of the mythical references only ever published in your world (by the way what colour is the sky there?). It’s like our very own raiders of the lost ark without the enjoyment, thrills or plot.
instead you will find “elimination of undesirable elements to ensure ongoing stability and strength of the Australian society”,
“to provide required sexual pleasures to those savages in order to promote love and harmony in the society”
In what book of counted sorrows do we search for these gems of history? One would hate to think you were still making things up as it would be a travesty for all.
Then again
you will never find word “stolen aboriginal children”
less generous people would call you a liar for that one. However that would be beneath myself to even consider such a thing. Perhaps you would like to type the phrase into google and see how many books, papers etc have been written rather than appear to know the truth as a concept for others. A shame really your first paragraph almost made sense although
we are happy to share our expertise in the war game, if you want to win a war you have to destroy the war moral justification
I must have missed that one, what war was that? I assume you are not counting the one against Malaysia or shooting a few village serfs in the jungle.
Achmad Sudarsono is an Indonesian
No sorry nor Australian. Patronising towards both with the inane one trick charade – certainly. It was kinda of amusing for the first month or so but like so much that is he failed to develop into anything of substance, a cheap mouth for hire so to speak.
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A Pakistani official involved in US-Mujaahideen negotiations after 9/11 confessed that US didn’t have proofs of the involvement of Mujaahid Usaamah bin Laadan in 9/11
Of course, there is the pesky problem of the video tapes and tape recordings by Bin Laden himslef but hey…
At least 7.5 million people have been killed in Afghanistan and Iraq
since the U.S. and coalition attackA few maths issues here..indiscrimate (?) bombings will produce on average 10 wounded for every death so that makes 75million wounded..which by your own quote
Over One Million Iraqi Deaths Caused by US Occupation
means over 6.5 million have died in Afghanistan with about 65 million wounded. Kind of tricky as that exceeds the total population of the country and 85% of them live in rural areas. A lot of bombs per person.
What is the ratio of deaths caused by the criminal thugs with bombs on their brothers and sisters” compared to all others. Funny how that never gets a mention expect for really ugh comments like..
There is a difference the freedom fighters keep in mind between non-combatants and Godless materialistic invaders. They aren’t nihilists but great idealists and opitimists who value the blood of their Muslim brothers and sisters and hope that their sacrifices would become a harbinger of a new dawn of freedom and a victory of faith over materialism.
Only a myopic nihilist would thing he/she has the right to decide what another should or should sacrifice.
And finally another one for the classics from the “Ask the Nutter” website
“To willingly ignore the insidiuos symbiosis of feminism and hypersexualisation of women would be tantamount to commit a moral suicide.”
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rudis says:
mas achmad yth.,
mas, if you really foreigner why are you doing this, making indonesia people look like stupid and ignorant? this image has hurting us for decades. i feel ashamed about this image and want to combat and change this.
jangan gitu mas. matur nuwun, mas.
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In Australia book store or Library you will never find word of “killing aboriginal” instead you will find “elimination of undesirable elements to ensure ongoing stability and strength of the Australian society”, you will never find word of “ Aboriginal Rape” instead of your will find “to provide required sexual pleasures to those savages in order to promote love and harmony in the society” and you will never find word “stolen aboriginal children” instead of you will find “Australian simply went through tremendous amount of difficulties and endured a significant amount of sacrifices to promote integration”
Did a friend in Bali tell you this?
Sorry, Cuk, but after that, nothing you say on this forum will ever be taken seriously again.
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You obviously haven’t seen the Frummies throwing stones at people for driving on the Sabbath.
It is pretty clear that literal fundamentalists of all the major monotheistic religions have much more in common with each other than they have with the rest of the rational world. Muhammadelijah is no different to Pat Robertson or any number of conservative Christians you could name. This form of belief is a kind of warped childhood – simple fairy stories about their God give a person with only shallow faith some kind of certainty in a world that is difficult for them to understand. The difference is that the rest of us grow up.
Interfaith studies – what’s that? A group of children in the playground discussing who has the better imaginary friend?
But your DNA lives on…