What is Racism?
Sep 22nd, 2008, in Asides, by PatungI am getting tired of discussions constantly drifting into the areas we see below, cut from the effeminate men post.
I titled this post “What is Racism?” because, hmm, some stereotypes about different peoples are actually true, and in scientific terms a stereotype must be true, or else it isn’t a stereotype…But I don’t know if there is some formula that determines at what point the exceptions to the rule become so numerous that the stereotype breaks down and has to be abandoned.
I generally don’t like accusations of “racist” and “racism” being thrown around, they are substitutes for thought and argument, or they attempt to stop thought and argument, but I don’t think I’m alone in getting weary at some people constantly carping about Chinese or Anglos, or whoever…
This is the original bit by Purba Negoro which sparked the following off:
Indosiar is also Chinese owned. UNsurpisingly its’ content is facile, derivative, cheap and trite- outirght plagiarisms of better Western models and the lowest possible investment for highest possible profit-wan, aiya- exemplify fondly held Chinese values- the love of tinsel and trinkets.
Metro TV is owned by Pak Paulo. The quality of the station is far superior than profit-at-any-cost typical Chinese penny-dreadfuls. Just like their Tempo and Jakarta Post- self-serving or self-aggrandising pulp fictions.
306 Comments on “What is Racism?”
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I guess this is why people keep coming back to IM, there is always something new to learn no matter whether it is good, bad, or in this case just plain ugly.
I wish I could speak some Mandarin and the other languages / dialects used so that I did not have to rely on others for the translations.
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dragonwall says:
Just too bad there is nothing appearing in Chinese unlike before, otherwise you could see the Chinese writing.
I was thinking perhaps the Indonesian Government may have told IM not to have Chinese words allowed..ha.ha.ha..
Guess what Heavenlysword & Rob
How do you deal with people who are racist and yet making a futile attempt in a last ditch by saying he is not.
I will try and see if anything pissed them off?
Patung
Let me have your email and I will send you the Chinese words and see if you are able to go to your email and see if you could copy those Chinese words?
Thanks
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It’s not possible Dragonwall, the site can’t display Chinese characters, or Russian, or Greek, …. or anything non-Latin. You’d have to put it in an image.
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Patung how do I go about having word writing as image?
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Janma says:
Dragonwall wrote…
I can simply write a sentence and go away!
Oh dear! Well that doesn’t seem to have happened….
AAB says….
Enigmatic, I understand you have to stand by your own species,
sweetie, I’m not trying to be a smart arse or anything, but ‘species’??????
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Purba Negoro says:
“Minum Air Tidak Tahu Sumbernya?”
Drink water not know Soul?
What on earth does this mean- another Chinese peasant-wisdom tetragammon of obviously high intellectual worth.
Honestly Dragonwall- get that Cambridge for Children book- you desperately need it.
Then at least your poor tormented Cheenabeng soulEnigmatic-
yes, we know exactly whom it is that sungkems and kisses the rings of those in authority.Of course one has to interact with the Hokkien Chinese- but in the same vain one also has to pass their bowel motions too- both tasks we do not savour but by necessity we must fulfill- but one must deal with the unpleasant in life.
And we all know precisely who here has the better mastery of English. For Javanese of same mold as myself- can have staff on call to translate for us if we wish to simply sit, smile and nod and indulge the Chinese construct of the inferior brownie for our own purposes.
In this case here it is not to emulate that white master whose apron strings we so willingly tie ourselves onto and with whom we attempt to identify with at any and all opportunities- even to distinguish oneself from our own embarrassingly boorish Hokkien colonial parasite society.
I enjoy your attempts at put-downs. Amusing. I so much enjoy new puppets for my wayang collection- I tire somewhat of this rather flimsy and shoddily constructed Dragonwail wayang kletek- it so clumsily flails and loudly rattles so.
Oh Si Togol [Dragonwall]- you and your hilarious boasts and lies- “factories” this time- I love it- how you amuse our children.
Togol is a really really, really, dumb/boastful devil-clown from the Sundanese Wayang Golek for the uninformed.
Bagong without the flatus control, grace nor intellect- if those wise ones follow. -
ROB-
you taunt and despise Wikipedia – yet it’s filled with those same myths and lagu2 cengeng (ludicrously weepy songs) of “Chinese rape victim” and “poor oppressed plucky little Timorese” that your persona of the fashionably tormented liberal soul so desperately attaches itself to as gospel truth, in the form of those pulp-fictions you’ve been reading.Are they not the then same penny-dreadful novels of cheap tales of exploitation, scandlisation etc?
I am but too simple and blunt to be a legal mind- but would that not contradict one’s own star witness’ testimonial and perhaps character credibility?
Your thoughts, my learned friend (PN *clumsily adjusts his jabot and itchy wig- on back to front*)- if it pleases Your Honour- or had I been watching too much Rumpole during my student days- when British TV wasn’t so ludicrous to be pretending to be a racial licourice allsorts ?
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fullmoonflower says:
Hope there will be no racism issues in the world…. 🙁
Barrack Obama is the Mr. President now… and you all know who he is… a black man, a minority in USA…
and he was an “Anak Menteng” 🙂
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Yes
and we all know that his adoptive father was a Pribumi.Chinese obviously far too racist to ever love a darkie.
I wonder what these fat Chinese children they called little Obie. -
yes… and he was known as Barry Suntoro in SDN Menteng One…
his adoptive father is a Javanese 🙂 -
Ally says:
Racism is not good, and everyone should be proud of their own race, . No racial hatred, but racial loving. So… no more hatred… love the idiots… Lol
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Almost
Barry Soetoro. His father was Lolo Soetoro- an ABRI geologist.Obama’s Memoirs are titled: In Dreams of my Father- the father he refers to seems to be Lolo.
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
@ Dragonball
1.
Pu yun ker lian gher ker lao bern dan(mandarin)
You were trying to get the pinyin of “?????????”in Mandarin meaning don’t sympahtize with this old guy, but your pinyin needs polishing let alone the chinese.
lao bern dan = old guy??
Your hokkien lao bu will tell you lao bern dan = old dumbo.err .. your mandarin needs a bit of fine tuning. And Mandarin is not my first language .. 🙂
@ Rob
AAB…
Least we agree on something. PN is in front on the PN vs. Dragonwall flame war.
Any Chinese should feel ashamed or even offended by her incompetency. It is like the olympic where each country produces her very best sportperson. Javanese are proud to present Purba Negoro the Terminator, whereas on the Chinese corner, there is Dragonball the Lao Fu Zi.
My well-meant suggestion that he should let someone else with better English do the job offended her further. Instead of thanking me, she retorted with up to 5 talk cock responses. Patung should not have removed them. Let them be testimonies to someone suffering from severe form of demetia.
@ Janma
sweetie, I’m not trying to be a smart arse or anything, but ’species’??????
we are all the same species hon….cutie, you are not being a smart arse, you didn’t think out of the box. i called the 3 Oz stooges ‘primates’. primates aren’t the same as humans, or are they?
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It’s so sad to think about racism…
God created all human are same… 🙁
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Patung how do I go about having word writing as image?
Never mind the image, just send the text to webmaster@indonesiamatters.com and I’ll figure out a way of displaying it.
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HeavenlySword says:
lol Lao Fu zi 🙂 Man I haven’t seen nor read Lao Fu Zi for decades. He’s just awesome. I think it was translated as Master Q in Indonesia which hmm I don’t know why.
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stupid guy says:
It’s so sad to think about racism…
God created all human are same… 🙁we are all not the same, just like dog, there are bulldog, herder, dalmatian, etc. there are, Asian, Arabs, Black, White, etc. we have our own specialty and shortage
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but your blood is red…
you have 1 head, 2 ears, 1 nose, 1 lips, 2 eyes, 2 hands, 2 legs…so what is the different? you are a human, like the others…
or maybe you are an allien?
or you only have 1 eye like Jaddal?
or you have green blood like insect?hehehe..:P
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correction :
Jaddal => I mean Dajjal
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you have 1 head, 2 ears, 1 nose, 1 lips, 2 eyes, 2 hands, 2 legs…
ayam donk… or monyet… sorry just wanna say something Lol
and darah saya biru… Lol… sorry again
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hihihi… Ally…
is it? 😆
so, when you have to get surgery someday, so you won’t get any blood donor.. because all blood are red… 😀
unless you will get for an allien or maybe insect 😛
wakakakaka
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[quote][quote]you have 1 head, 2 ears, 1 nose, 1 lips, 2 eyes, 2 hands, 2 legs…[/quote]
ayam donk… or monyet… sorry just wanna say something Lol
and darah saya biru… Lol… sorry again[/quote]
hmmmm….
so, you don’t have all ==> 1 head, 2 ears, 1 nose, 1 lips, 2 eyes, 2 hands, 2 legs.. ???
oh God!! so… how many you have now??!!
2 heads? 4 ears? 2 noses? 6 lips? 1 eye? 10 hands? and 10 legs??
wow!!! so you are not a human… you are an allien… no wonder you have blood with blue colour…
xixixixixixi 😆
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wow!!! so you are not a human… you are an allien… no wonder you have blood with blue colour…
I’m from outerspace, visiting earth …
you call it allien?
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Hmmm.Interesting when it is gathering momentum unlike before when these two shit use to run away after being picked and choose on their denials.
Hi Janma, See I will pick out word for word on these two shit when
Dragonwall wrote…I can simply write a sentence and go away! But Oh dear! Well that doesn’t seem to have happened….
I suppose it is not difficult to figure out as most would probably agree that these two arsehole needs to kicked in the butt.
And AAB says….Enigmatic, I understand you have to stand by your own species,
This is what I think that he began to display the inferiority complex by putting some others down.
Like what Rob said of them trying to display their superiority complex,
can we figure out by translating“Minum Air Tidak Tahu Sumbernya?”as Drink water not know Soul? Will show how good they are, right! This is where you should have the Cambridge for Children book- you so…….desperately needed.
Authority??????
Of what? Of putdowns and insults and talk nonsense?
So the unpleasant thing in your life must have been your forever cynic detestation of the Chinese and Hokian! Then it is not difficult to envision that your encounter must really have tormented you so much that you know of nowhere to vent your personal vendetta.
And your mastery of English when you say “sumbernya” as Soul!
Come one you can do better that the Wikipedia right?. And if your so call Hokkien colonial parasite society had been so annoying to you , then we all suppose Indonesia would not have prosper as they have during the Soeharto era, right? (Comparing to if you look at what is happening right now in Indonesia after the post Soeharto era).The issue of your so call “my factories” was discussed long before you appear in this picture and what you claim on being guarded by the pris may be partly true but full of conjecture and lies in between because they were only some of “your friends”. What about others?
And of course my children had felt the amusements seeing the face of those rioters when they were challenged into entering Muara Karang when finding resistance from residents there.It seemed to be so pathetic and that you can’t stand ROB’s comment by saying “you taunt and despise Wikipedia – yet it’s filled with those same myths and lagu2 cengeng (ludicrously weepy songs) of “Chinese rape victim” and “poor oppressed plucky little Timorese” that your persona of the fashionably tormented liberal soul so desperately attaches itself to as gospel truth, in the form of those pulp-fictions you’ve been reading.”
Pulp fictions?
I am but too simple and blunt to be a legal mind- but would that not contradict one’s own star witness’ testimonial and perhaps character credibility? Your thoughts, my learned friend (PN *clumsily adjusts his jabot and itchy wig- on back to front*)- if it pleases Your Honour- or had I been watching too much Rumpole during my student days- when British TV wasn’t so ludicrous to be pretending to be a racial licourice allsorts ?
Ha.ha.ha. so you might be wondering what I am laughing at.
And I thought the Indonesian so much disliked the Americans and Bule and you are all too fast here to claim
and we all know that his adoptive father was a Pribumi by saying Chinese obviously far too racist to ever love a darkie.
I wonder what these fat Chinese children they called little Obie.Even Patung felt that there is an obligation to show these Chinese words so that you would not be suffer from the torment with the severe form of demetia.
but your blood is red…
No, their blood are black, their hearts are black and they don’t have head, ears, and eyes. So the difference is that they are not human.
And Thanks Patung
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@ Dragonball,
Even Patung felt that there is an obligation to show these Chinese words so that you would not be suffer from the torment with the severe form of demetia.
Throughout your postings, you are using elliptical argument tactics such as the one above. If either PN or myself were in dispute with other posters in another thread, you seized an opportunity to claim to have their moral support. Hell no, I doubt very much Patung or anyone else for that matter is showing you any support. Patung would gladly pastes pictures for any of his clients if asked to. Didn’t someone tell you ‘you are a one-legged woman in an arse kicking competition’? Which part of this sentence you don’t understand? Comon, show us your best weapon in your arsenal. All nusantara chinese looked up to you to help defend PN’s killer blows, you are letting them down. I can counter some of his allegations but why should I be helping an arrogant anti-pribumi cheenaman like you. chu naow lao bern dan, mei yu ker chiu
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You seemed to have the penchant to come up things like saying others
seized an opportunity to claim to have their moral support. Hell no
Does that reflects back on you. And you need to observe carefully when using words like these
chu naow lao bern dan, mei yu ker chiu
Meaning you are a “Pig Head Old Dumbo, No Medication Can Cure” Right this is exactly what people should think of you.
When you want to use Chinese words with me, Understand the language before coming up with anything.
Whether
using elliptical argument tactics
Ha. People like you knows and understood things like elliptical? As far as I am concern I write with my own opinion and what I think of you guys. Any other reflection of others opinion thus clearly shows how nuisance you guys are.
Which part of this sentence you don’t understand?
I am sure many would also like to asked that question. But any person can size you guys as Instigator, agitator, discriminator, and most of all Chinese hater and this is the biggest part whcih many failed to understand not me alone.
The pathetic mediocritic display of english have not in any way make you more prominent instead I would say the more belittling you like a peasant suffering from a severe acute demetia and amnesia.
Off course there are many Chinese observer whether nusantara or elsewhere are looking into this blogs and more to understand how the Chinese were being hated by pretenders and traitors like the two of you. Come on what is a killer blow? Kiss my arse.
As to whether you can counter whoever’s is of no concern of mine.
Did you already got irritated again… Oh my gosh.. And please I beg you not to help me counter him so that we could see more vividly what more has he got to say about the Chinese or Hokian in the world and with these
anti-pribumi cheenaman
Didn’t you also, like what I said Chinese hater by calling others anti-pribumi.
Bad headache for you…..must be getting on your nerve.
Anyway a dog is a dog with a mole..hanya mengongong aja. It won’t make you any human.
You kept clutching the dictionary but overlook one thing. What have you achieve at the end. You openly admitted that you have been helped by Chinese!. Breast fed by you father’s matron! Picked up some Chinese and even pretend to know about the Chinese language. And ending up being a Chinese hater.
I wonder what would these people think of you. Yeah I forgot you had already turned into a bakso man like someone said earlier.
mei yu ker chiu
Should be “Wu Yao Ke Jiu” don’t you regret calling yourself a stupid old dumbo.
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wow!!! so you are not a human… you are an allien… no wonder you have blood with blue colour…
I’m from outerspace, visiting earth …
you call it allien?
wow!!! Ally the allien… 🙂
welcome to the earth!you are a very sweet allien, I think…
now you can see people in the earth, fighting for un-important someting like this…
talking about the differences of their only one species : “homo sapiens”, just because of their skin’s tone…. 😆all of them are Homo Sapiens, but they thought they are not…
hmmm… very interesting, right?
maybe they would like to be mentioned as “pithecantropus” or anything else…maybe you can help to give us name the right name for our “different” species, perhaps like “homo javaniensis sapiens”, “homo sundaniensis sapiens”, “homo chinaiensis sapiens”, “homo nigeriensis sapiens”, “homo papuans sapiens”, etc..
first of all, maybe better you start from indonesia, because in this 1 country, you will find 300’s different ethnics with 400’s different languages… 😀
would you like to help us, my sweety allien? 😉
xixixixixi 😆
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Cukurungan says:
you are a very sweet allien, I think…
now you can see people in the earth, fighting for un-important someting like this…
talking about the differences of their only one species : “homo sapiens”, just because of their skin’s tone….all of them are Homo Sapiens, but they thought they are not…
There are two kinds of human species in this world, the first human species is who descended directly from Nabi Adam like my self and Pak Achmad while the other type of the human species who was emerged from apes like Mister Andy and Bu Janma (Based on their own confession),
It is the reason why among human species there are so much different attitude, IQ, and behavior. -
is that right Cuk!? well the apes beat the arabs then, because I’m a member of mensa….
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Damn what a long thread just to explain that each of us is a racist..