Islam Revert
Dec 20th, 2008, in News, by PatungA teenage Australian girl from sunny Queensland finds Islam in Lampung and becomes a revert.
Kim, or Kimi, otherwise known as “KimDonesia” (Kim + Indonesia), a 17 year old Australian from Queensland, the Sunshine state, once lived in Lampung, southern Sumatra, for six months, accompanying her step-father who worked for a sugar company, Gula Putih Mataram (GPM).
While in Lampung she says she studied Islam, and was moved by the passionate devotion of the people there to the religion, and finally fell in love with it, particularly the sound of the call to prayer.
After moving back to Australia she converted to the faith, or reverted as she would have it. Here she explains, in rather good Indonesian, how she came to live in Indonesia in 2007:
In this video she explains her religious journey – from Wiccan moon worshipping, to nothing in particular, to Islam – she even has the pronunciation right, Islaaam, – and how living in Lampung and talking to the people there was one of the keys to her decision to throw her lot in with Allah.
Youtube Mission
Kimdonesia has in the short time since her conversion this year produced dozens of Islamic dakwah (missionary) videos on Youtube, and has a bit of a following among some Indonesians, at http://www.youtube.com/user/KimDonesia.
549 Comments on “Islam Revert”
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ET says:
@ muhammadelijah
If beheading the invaders demoralizes and eventually deters the invaders from slaughtering another million Muslims, then deterrent beheading of mass-slaughterer invaders to end their mass-slaughter of Muslim women and children by bombs must continue.
Must continue???
In the end those who dispose of the most advanced weaponry will prevail. You better keep this in mind.
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donny says:
If beheading the invaders demoralizes and eventually deters the invaders from slaughtering another million Muslims, then deterrent beheading of mass-slaughterer invaders to end their mass-slaughter of Muslim women and children by bombs must continue.
I think this fellow must have lost his moral compass …
he did not understand “two wrongs did not make one right”
and since they do something barbaric, we should do it, too … worse is better …like that ?
do that, and please do not wonder if comment like this appear
If bombing muslims demoralizes and eventually deters them from terrorizing our land, bombing cafe and killing civilians in our countries, then deterrent bombing of muslims (a.k.a terrorist) must continue
why can’t we have peace ??
slaughtering another million muslims ? we won’t do that … muslims does a perfect job eliminating their fellow muslims, much-much more effective than “westerners” …
honestly, M.Elijah … do you count us (nonmuslims) as human being equal with you ?
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muhammadelijah says:
We accept that awful things were done by America and the other nations in the Middle East, but that simply doesn’t, as you think, absolve your responsibility.
The solution is as simple as that. As soon as we accept our mistakes, and start to take responsibility, the solution begins to emerge.I am willing to take my responsibility. I am willing to denounce every single atrocity. I can even convince those involved in fighting against US armies in an essentially theological framework if valid grievances are addressed most importantly the sovereignity of Muslim nations.
As soon as you express willingness to acknowledge the Islam as an idealism as a part of solution rather than a part of problem, as soon as you express your willingness to view the idealism of Islam as distinct from the imperfection of Muslims, as soon as you start recognising the idealism of Islam as the only force to reform Muslims ,we are willing to engage in a reasoned problem-solving.
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I think this fellow must have lost his moral compass …
Kehilangan arah, indeed. A logical consequence of banging your head on the floor, constantly navelgazing about the delusions of a desert maniac from 1400 years ago and submitting oneself to the brainwashings and mind-control of religious teachers. Mix it up with a hidden suppressed sense of failure and no wonder this cult breeds jihadi terrorists.
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A logical consequence of banging your head on the floor, constantly navelgazing about the delusions of a desert maniac
Does this kind of attitude leave any room for a discussion which a priori assumes that the other person isn’t worthy of discussion.
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As soon as you express willingness to acknowledge the Islam as an idealism as a part of solution rather than a part of problem, as soon as you express your willingness to view the idealism of Islam as distinct from the imperfection of Muslims, as soon as you start recognising the idealism of Islam as the only force to reform Muslims ,we are willing to engage in a reasoned problem-solving.
As soon as you express willingness to acknowledge other paradigma as idealisms as a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem, as soon as you express your willingness to view the values of other paradigma as distinct from the imperfection of their adherents, as soon as you start recognizing that Muslims have to take into account other forces than their own self-aggrandized idealism that compel them to reform, we are willing to engage in a reasoned problem-solving.
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Does this kind of attitude leave any room for a discussion which a priori assumes that the other person isn’t worthy of discussion.
No, especially if this other person defends beheadings of POW or foreign citizens in the name of religion – remember ‘Allahu akbar’ each time a terrorist makes himself and innocent bystanders explode – as a solution to stop a war.
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As soon as you express willingness to acknowledge other paradigma as idealisms as a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem, as soon as you express your willingness to view the values of other paradigma as distinct from the imperfection of their adherents, as soon as you start recognizing that Muslims have to take into account other forces than their own self-aggrandized idealism that compel them to reform, we are willing to engage in a reasoned problem-solving.
Why not.
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foreign citizens
Any foreign citizen who respects the sovereignity of Muslim nations deserves our full protection.
I would mention here the words of Oliverus Scholacticus when Franks were defeated in the Crusades by al-Kamil.
“Who could doubt that such goodness, friendship and charity come from God? Men whose parents, sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, had died in agony at our hands, whose lands we took, whom we drove naked from their homes, revived us with their own food when we were dying of hunger and showered us with kindness even when we were in their power.”
Christopher G. Weeramantry, a distinguished member of International Court of Justice in his book Justice without frontiers. The idealism of Islam teaches us justice without frontiers and we would remain committed to it.
as a solution to stop a war.
What solution do we have?
The solution I have is to highlight the grievances of Muslim women and children who are being mass-slaughtered by bombs. But, how should I convince someone to renounce militancy whose entire family is bombed to death by drones.
In Pakistan 687 civilians including 14 freedom fighters have died in drone attacks. What solution should I suggest to them? Should we stop defending our nations. We were as much opposed to Soviets as we are to US now, because both of them invaded our sovereignity.
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Despite your example (I assume you are aware of the dispute on even that?) your position defies noted facts and pits you against the most progressive leaders in the Middle East who publicly lament the ignorance and lack of human development so concisely pesented when
“SIX years ago the UN’s Arab human development report identified a lack of translated foreign works as an issue restricting Arab intellectual life. The UN report noted that Spain translates in one year the number of books that have been translated into Arabic in the past 1,000 years”
What can rejuvenate the Muslim intellectual life is the resurgence of Islam in the intellectual culture of Muslim world which I believe is imminent. I can understand that such a position is very difficult to understand for a Western observer. But, with the passage of time people would start to realise this. It is one of the major causes on the agendas of Islamists throughout the Muslim world. For example, in Pakistan, Islamists have been the greatest advocates of such an endeavour. Secularists-who ,on the other hand, constitute a elite distinctive linguistic group in all Muslim societies don’t appear much interested in intellectual pursuits of such magnitude. They are more interested in their short-term political goals which are basically to serve as Western stooges to ensure stay in power. The greatest mistake of the observers outside the Muslim world is to concieve secularists in power in Muslim countries similar to secularists in the West. The appeal of secular Western tradition to Muslim secularists is a matter of expediency while for Islamists it is intellectual in nature. The Islamist political thinkers of the past few centuries display a remarkable insight of Western secular political tradition while the actual beneficiaries of democracy who are mostly corrupt due to illiteracy of the majority of population would show a profound ignorance of the intellectual dimensions of the same.
To claim some sort of perverse pride or to try and defend the above is beyond thinking persons understanding.
I have a right to take pride in my past, the brilliant civilisation Islam inspired. And Muslim thinkers aspire to revive the intellectually rigorous and pious atmosphere which the entire intellectual tradition of Islam chracterised.
You agree that women are not deserving of an education?
No Muslim thinker would object to a separate education system for Muslim women that would not make lesbians of them, as does the feminist education in the West. What Muslims are resisting today is cultural assimilation rather than intellectual assimilation. We have been an intellectual civilisation and the current hibernation is a natural defense mechanism against spiritual threats to our collective existence. Muslim thinkers of the last few centuries have unanimously suspected the dangers Western feminism poses to our families which constitute the bedrock of our social system. Events such as martyrdom of a Muslim woman Marwa Sherbini who was overtly Islamic by wearing Hijab studying in Max Planck’s Institute of Physics in Germany was stabbed to death in court while pregnant has contributed to exacerbate the suspicion. However, I am psychologically relieved by the statement of Stephan Kramer, General Secretary of the Central Council of Jews in Germany who deplored the “largely unchecked hate propaganda against Muslims”.
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Burung Koel says:
Ladies and Gentlemen, er, sorry, Gentlemen and their Escorted Female Relatives, IM presents, for one night only, the comedy stylings of Mr Muhammadelijah.
Take it away, beardy!
No Muslim thinker would object to a separate education system for Muslim women that would not make lesbians of them, as does the feminist education in the West.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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The more I read comments in IM of Islamist fundamentalists the more I am aware that Islam and secularism – and by extension all other paradigms – are totally incompatible. How can one reconcile two models or conceptual frameworks which are diametrically opposed to each other?
I can think of 2 theoretical solutions.
– Each will bury itself in its trenches and isolate itself from any possible contact with the other, a solution hardly achievable in a technologically globalized world.
– One will have to go or become absorbed by the most powerful, a solution Islam has propagandized through history but is hardly in a position to continue these days due to its exclusiveness and self-centered inbreeding intellectual attitude. The mayhem and uproar created by jihadi terrorism – horrific as it may be on the individual level – are nothing more than the convulsions of a dying breed, proving its own incapacity to function in a positive way.
As things stand now I believe the conclusion lies in the words of the Kurgan in the film ‘Highlander’: There can be only one of us.
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Cukurungan says:
The more I read comments in IM of Islamist fundamentalists the more I am aware that Islam and secularism – and by extension all other paradigms – are totally incompatible. How can one reconcile two models or conceptual frameworks which are diametrically opposed to each other?
Why we have to reconcile something that does not need to be reconciled, we work hard for our after life while you work hard for your life today so there should be no competition among us because we have different goal.
One will have to go or become absorbed by the most powerful, a solution Islam has propagandized through history but is hardly in a position to continue these days due to its exclusiveness and self-centered inbreeding intellectual attitude. The mayhem and uproar created by jihadi terrorism – horrific as it may be on the individual level – are nothing more than the convulsions of a dying breed, proving its own incapacity to function in a positive way.
If you are little bit honest, the mayhem and uproar created by tinny jihadist terrorism is quite small compare to the mayhem and uproar caused by the globalism, consumerism and new standard moralism promoted by the western power.
You do not need to take my word just check by your self how many the western people who died and sickened caused by over consumption of food, alcohol and drug compare to the western people who died caused by terrorist bomb or beheaded by them.
Tell me who is the biggest wasteful and consumer of the earth resources in which causing over exploitation natural resources around the globe, tell me who is the biggest polluter of atmosphere during the last 20 years. Tell me who is poisoning the poor African and Indian with the dangerous waste and tell me who is robbing the only live hood the poor African farmer with heavily subsidize bean and cottons.
As things stand now I believe the conclusion lies in the words of the Kurgan in the film ‘Highlander’: There can be only one of us.
What you believe is nothing happen while what we believe already proven and happened at least it already made your life not easy as you wish.
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As things stand now I believe the conclusion lies in the words of the Kurgan in the film ‘Highlander’: There can be only one of us.
This statement reflects a misguided delusions of grandeur of conservative Western secularism , conservative- in the sense of opposing change, which seek to annihilate the spiritual force of Islam by technology, more emphatically expressed in the statement
In the end those who dispose of the most advanced weaponry will prevail. You better keep this in mind.
You can’t win our hearts by drones and bombs. You must argue with us and you would have to argue with us sooner or later. You would have to acknowledge the intellectual and spiritual appeal of Islam as do Muslims recognize the intellectual appeal of Western intellectual traditon. The problem arises when Islam is misrepresented or misconcieved as antagonistic to reason which doesn’t require a suspension of faith.
Spiritually or metaphysically speaking, Islam is the spiritual or metaphysical destiny of mankind.
The nonsensical use of “facts” to support your position makes it difficult to engage with you. Such things as South East Asia has no Oil or Energy Wealth,
It was a mistake on my part. But, this doesn’t affect the absurdity of the claim that Muslims love and live Islam, or the resurgence of their love for Islam and living Islam in the age of reason, to borrow your phrase, has to do with Energy or is as temporary as or dependent on our economic boom rather than the spiritual and intellectual appeal of Islam itself. It displays the same intellectual dishonesty that Western civilisation committed throughout its Christian past when Islam was treated as the enemy of Christ, and now Islam is being forced to acquire the same relegated status in modern society as that of Christianity in today’s Europe. But, it needs not to be forgotten that Islam didn’t sale indulgences rather urged its adherents to earn forgiveness by their virtues, it didn’t persecute its seekers of knowledge rather served as their greatest inspiration and their greatest patron. Therefore, Islam would never accept the status to which God and religion have been relegated to in modern Western society.
Would you substantiate your nonsensical claim of relationship of Oil or Energy in South East Asia to Islam in South East Asia?
Why we have to reconcile something that does not need to be reconciled, we work hard for our after life while you work hard for your life today so there should be no competition among us because we have different goal.
Maa Shaa’Allaah
however to claim in any fashion these reflect the normal standards of behaviour or are systematic acts of abuse against Muslims in general is patently false and easily proven by any reasonable standard of proofs.
It is patently true rather when even the political representatives aren’t willing to denounce even particularly the Abu Ghraib abuse.
On May 7, 2004, International Committee of the Red Cross Operations Director Pierre Krähenbühl stated “What we have described is a pattern and a broad system.”
Senator James Inhofe, a Republican member of the U.S. Senate Committee on Armed Services, felt that the events did not deserve moral outrage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
The more I read comments in IM of Islamist fundamentalists
Edward Mortimer in his book Faith and Power:The Politics of Islam which is a very well-informed approach to Islam states that the exact meaning of the word ‘fundamentalism’ when used in the context of Islam eludes me so I have throughout the book avoided this term.
If fundamentalism is to accord verbal divine authority to the Scripture, then every single Muslim and Muslimah out of 1.4 billion would have to be labelled a fundamentalist, because every Muslim and Muslimah accords verbal divine authority to The Holy Qur’aan.
The only thing that can save sensible Europeans and Americans from making blunders regarding 1.4 billion inhabitants of this planet is to adopt a well-informed, dispassionate and disinterested approach towards Islam.
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Oigal says:
Wow..when does an Islamist become a Troll ..become a parody..
Gotta love the way some of these blokes pretend to speak for all Muslims, is it an insecurity issue, arrested development? Have to agree with BK..these are sad but comedic gems
This statement reflects a misguided delusions of grandeur of conservative Western secularism
Where do you get this stuff? Is there a website of loony statements for use by the myopic?
No Muslim thinker would object to a separate education system for Muslim women that would not make lesbians of them, as does the feminist education in the West.
There it is girls, its education that makes lesbians. Oh my..pity the wife
What can rejuvenate the Muslim intellectual life is the resurgence of Islam …Islamists have been the greatest advocates of such an endeavour. (Laugh..yup just the other day we were admiring the Tailban school for girls model for the future)
We were as much opposed to Soviets as we are to US now, because both of them invaded our sovereignity.
Eeer Did we miss something, Pakistan has been invaded?
And Muslim thinkers aspire to revive the intellectually rigorous and pious atmosphere which the entire intellectual tradition of Islam chracterised.
Ha ha…How many books have been transalted in Arabic in this intellectually rigorous atmosphere again.
In Pakistan 687 civilians including 14 freedom fighters have died in drone attacks.
Ignoring the term freedom fighter as inane at best, whats the score og women, children and other for cowards with bombs in markets, and public spaces so far this year?
The problem arises when Islam is misrepresented or misconcieved as antagonistic to reason
Yea kinda happens when cowards who hide in markets to blow up other muslims or behead innocents, I guess some might call it unreasonable.
It displays the same intellectual dishonesty that Western civilisation committed throughout its Christian past when Islam was treated as the enemy of Christ,
Bit like the intellectual dishonesty pretending that Islamic Armies never conducted their own “crusades” of bloodshed through europe.
Hey M…Still no comment on Iran and systemic rape and torture taking place even as you read this? …
Seriously, this is classic stuff…
As for our factually impaired Cuk, alway a hoot in ignorance..
tell me who is the biggest polluter of atmosphere during the last 20 years.
(China, India and Indonesia are right up there last I heard, with none of the benefits to the people that the “west” has achieved). Cuk did you go to one of those lesbian schools that in M’s fanasty?
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No Muslim thinker would object to a separate education system for Muslim women that would not make lesbians of them, as does the feminist education in the West.
Word to the wise, Muhammadelijah:
Just because a woman won’t sleep with you, it doesn’t make her a lesbian. She’s just educated.
But I guess this goes against all those images you have of lesbians from all the porn that you watch. Funnily enough, one of the UN’s biggest IT problems in East Timor was cleaning up the porn from the laptops used by the Pakistani police contingent.
is it an insecurity issue, arrested development?
Sexual repression.
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honestly, M.Elijah … do you count us (nonmuslims) as human being equal with you
I should have asked this question from you?
We consider even Godless invaders as the progeny of Adam, and you would find us the most hospitable of human beings and we would treat you in the same way we treated Yvonne Ridley even though she was spying.
Brig. General Janis Karpinski, commanding officer at the prison, was demoted to colonel on May 5, 2005, which also effectively ends her chances for future career advancement. In a BBC interview, Janis Karpinski said she is being made a scapegoat, and that the top U.S. commander for Iraq, Gen Ricardo Sanchez, should be asked what he knew about the abuse, as according to her, he said that prisoners are “like dogs”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
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Hey M…How many prisions in the the Muslim World, any chance you want to comment on the behaviour within? Guess not..yawn
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We consider even Godless invaders as the progeny of Adam, and you would find us the most hospitable of human beings and we would treat you in the same way we treated Yvonne Ridley even though she was spying.
Thank you, for considering me as your fellow human being
I really appreciate that …but no, thank you … I will not convert to Islam …
her story is similar with Patty hearst … after being brainwashed, she become what she believe is right. This is human instinct to survive
anyone out there KNOWS that her choice is WRONG … but not HER …and may I ask your opinion about what will you do to us, infidels who will not convert ?
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We consider even Godless invaders as the progeny of Adam, and you would find us the most hospitable of human beings and we would treat you in the same way we treated
Yvonne RidleyDaniel Pearl even thoughshe was spyinghe was Jewish.Fixed that for ya!
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and may I ask your opinion about what will you do to us, infidels who will not convert ?
Why you keep asking those stupid question, please check what is the fate of kambing, sapi and kerbau on the last Idhul Qurban, they refused to convert and you know we killed and eat them all. Is that clear sir
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I should have asked this question from you?
personally, I think you’re fellow human being, who happen to choose different faith from what I believe, but if you come to my house for a cup of tea … you’re my guest
you’re also free to go to my country … and practise your faith there, without fear of prosecution
your wife may wear any garments she wanted without fear of lashings …
you will not get stoned to death for having coffee with female business partners
interested ?
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Why you keep asking those stupid question, please check what is the fate of kambing, sapi and kerbau on the last Idhul Qurban, they refused to convert and you know we killed and eat them all. Is that clear sir
I just want to know whether others sharing the same view as yours, Cuk
I know what your opinion … and your honesty … and I appreciate it
and thank you for your new information that now animals can be muslims …
but I did not remember your friend asked the poor goat / cows about their religion before slash their throats …
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you will not get stoned to death for having coffee with female business partners interested ?
What does interested mean?What euphemisms Godless people have invented to cover up their rebellion against God, while their phony priests don’t forbid them.
No thanks.
Joy of loving and devoting to God-
the joy of engaging in Wudoo(Ceremonial Ablution)
the joy of engaging in Salaah at Masjid
(Ceremonial Vigil,Genuflection,Prostration five times everyday throughout your life until we leave this world)
the joy of engaging in Du’aa(Invoking God by raising and spreading hands),
the joy of engaging inDhikr(Verbally reciting God’s names, glorifying and praising His names day and night) ,
the joy of engaging in Tilawah(Recitation of God’s Book),
the joy of engaging in Tahajjud (Salaah at late night when materialists are deep asleep)
is far more enjoyable than committing Zinaa(adultery) of eyes.
I, and anyone who is a truly loves and fears God, wouldn’t have coffee with someone who is not my, and his wife, respectively.It is quite clearly mentioned in Tauraat (The Holy Torah), Injeel (The Holy Gospel) and The Holy Qur’an.
Deuteronomy 5:18
You shall not commit adultery
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+5:18&version=NIV
Leviticus 20:10
Both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+20:10&version=NIV
Matthew 5:28
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5:28&version=NIVSoorah Noor[Light]
Aayah 30
Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and to be mindful of their chastity this will be most conducive to their purity ,verily, God is aware of all that they do.May Allah give me such elevated level of Eemaan(faith in God) that if I commit Zinaa after Nikah (marriage) I may surrender myself unto God’s law of lapidation and not be punished in my Qabr(grave) and Jahannam(Hellfire)
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You do not need to take my word just check by your self how many the western people who died and sickened caused by over consumption of food, alcohol and drug compare to the western people who died caused by terrorist bomb or beheaded by them
If I understand correctly Cukurungan considers terrorist bombings and beheadings of foreigners a minor problem because some people in the west are suffering and dying from addiction to food, alcohol and drugs.
Yes Cukurungan, you are indeed differently wired.
Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and to be mindful of their chastity this will be most conducive to their purity ,verily, God is aware of all that they do.
But of course this didn’t apply to Mohammed himself when he laid his lustful eyes on Zainab, his daughter-in-law.
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devilkitty says:
Alhamdulilah.. I notice there are so many bule mualaf these days.. like this guy for example http://islamfinland.wordpress.com/ he’s a Finnish guy on youtube known as fredu89. id say.. he’s wiser than most born Indonesian muslim ive met..
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you will not get stoned to death for having coffee with female business partners
interested ?you misquoted me …
my question is for all above, not the last one … it’s about whether you want to have a cup of tea with me, practise your faith, etc etcanyhow, I’m wondering … honestly, how’s your mind ticking ??
If I’m having a business meeting wih female co-workers, I did not look at her with lust … she’s a friend … and I did not look at every woman with lust as you do …
once more, if your mind is clean, you’ll see everyone is clean … I see my female co-workers and friend without lust … some is very dear to me, like sister … some older ones is like aunt to me … not a single drop of a lust …
however … if your mind is dirty … who thinks every woman as possible sexual object … you need to wash your brain, pal …
Deuteronomy 5:18
You shall not commit adultery
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+5:18&version=NIV
Leviticus 20:10
Both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+20:10&version=NIV
Matthew 5:28
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5:28&version=NIVI agree with the statement that we should not commit adultery … and I’m not doing it …
I don’t know with your sick mind, but I never looked at female co-workers / business partners / friend with lust … so ??don’t even think about 9 years old … !! it’s DISGUSTING !!
your quote is a clear proof of how your mind is ticking …
but perhaps that’s what all muslims wanted … no adultery in this world but deep inside their heart they desired to have sex with 72 houris and young boys in paradise …
tell me … according to Matthew 5 :28 … your wet dream with houris is considered adultery OR NOT ?? be honest !!
and how about your wife’s feeling to see you having sex with 72 “competitors” …
oh … I forgot … she’s in Hell … like what your prophet said that majority of hell’s dwellers were female …May Allah give me such elevated level of Eemaan(faith in God) that if I commit Zinaa after Nikah (marriage) I may surrender myself unto God’s law of lapidation and not be punished in my Qabr(grave) and Jahannam(Hellfire)
and how about your prophet annuling marriage when an infidel woman is captured as war booty (to be used as sex slaves) … does that count as adultery ??
so … according to yourself, you’ll absolutely go to Jahannam for comitting adultery in your mind, then ?? where is the address … ?? I want to send you a get-well-soon card
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Truly … I wonder how muslim’s brain work …
Adultery is BAD … and punishable by death or at the least … lashes
75 years old grannies seen with other man (not doing anything) are to be lashed according to sharia law …
OK … I got it … ban adultery, right ?? you got the positive side here …
but in other side … they do it, so they can enjoy FULL adultery orgy sessions in paradise … with full variations and style … with 72 houris
homosexual is BAD … and punishable by death …
but don’t worry … they provide Ghilman (young boys) to be enjoyed in paradise … for serving drinks, they said …
and yet Koran did not specify also what the houris are for … perhaps for changing wallpaper on your paradise-home, or building swimming pool ??drinking is bad … and may cost you hundreds of lashes …
but don’t worry … they provide RIVER of WINE in Paradise …
so … in essence … what is BAD now … is GOOD and PERMISSIBLE later … or perhaps ENCOURAGED ??
and all, which is punishable by Hellfire is HALAL once you got in Paradise ??
if that’s what your idea of Paradise … I better not enter such horrid place
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More classics from the master of Islamic comedy. Actually for a troll this bloke must cause so many Muslims to wince…
What does interested mean?What euphemisms Godless people have invented to cover up their rebellion against God, while their phony priests don’t forbid them.
I, and anyone who is a truly loves and fears God, wouldn’t have coffee with someone who is not my, and his wife, respectively.
(Laugh..little risk of ever being invited I would think)
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you’re also free to go to my country … and practise your faith there, without fear of prosecution
I would love to visit only such a country where people are true to God, true to their beliefs and apply God’s laws as their beliefs demand them. Yahood or Jews have already betrayed The Tauraat, Nasaaraa or Christians have already betrayed The Injeel , but true Muslims would never betray The Qur’an.
I would never choose to share the same freedom which allows human beings to publicly proclaim rebellion against God along with allowing people to practise their faith ,the same freedom which facilitates iniquity rather than righteousness. Those people who do so aren’t true to their faith.
I would like to visit a country where I would fear prosecution for my violations of God’s laws.
75 years old grannies seen with other man (not doing anything) are to be lashed according to sharia law …
Your mention of this example proves the following to me.
1. How the people who control the media you are in contact with, censor the news regarding Muslim world.(not doing anything) is your disingenuous assumption or an outright lie. The people who administer the implementation of God’s laws( Qudaah plural of Qaadi which literally means Judge) are the most learned, most pious, most just of Muslim holy men. They are the most unlike Christian clergy who instituted Inquisition, and exercised their own personal authority rather than seeking and implementing God’s will. Our perspective is radically different. We percieve them as just as or even more just than how you view your secular courts. The proof required is that four witnesses should testify to have observed the extreme sexual act.
2. Everyone is equal before God’s law. If anyone remembers, even a princess was executed for committing adultery. No human being has a right to tamper with God’s laws.
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In Pakistan 687 civilians including 14 freedom fighters have died in drone attacks.
Ignoring the term freedom fighter as inane at best, whats the score og women, children and other for cowards with bombs in markets, and public spaces so far this year?
Do you really care about Muslim women and children being mass-slaughtered by bombs and Muslim prisoners? Do you care about Zainab al-Ghazali.
Do you really care for ‘brainwashed’ Muslims who are martyred while at prayer?
Do you care about the Muslim martyrs of Red Mosque who were bombed to by a Muslim dictator at the behest of George W. Bush?For Godless materialists, it is just a matter of their selfish political ends. They would support and condone atrocities committed against Muslim citizens by Muslim stooges who they favour, while posing as ‘liberators’ when they would like to invade,rob and commit mass-slaughter in Muslim nations like Iraq and Afghanistan by invented lies which their blind imitating selfish and individualistic citizens accept as self-evident truths because at the end of the day they really don’t care about investigating the truth because it doesn’t affect them and they wouldn’t have to endure the horrors of war.
We know our freedom-fighter brothers and sisters very well. There are highly qualified professionals among them. Examples include Dr. Arshad Waheed from Karachi who was a qualified medical doctor. They have sacrificed their families, their careers for the future of the Ummah-when Muslim women and children would no longer be mass-slaughtered without remorse.
We know very well that US is playing double-game. It is using the age old ‘divide and conquer’ rule, beacuse Godless materialists are basically cowards who fear death. I had memorised a nice Urdu couplet during my teenage.
Allah ko paamardiye mu’min pay bharosa
Iblees Ko Yorap ki Masheenon ka Sahaara
God has faith in the valour of a Mu’min[A true believer]
Satan has nothing else to rely on except the machines of Europe
-Muhammad Iqbal:One of the greatest 20th century revolutionary Muslim thinkershttp://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2009/11/20091116145058336650.html
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Oh wow, if you really want to have a conversation lets dispense with this absolute nonsense. Christian Zionist?????
“A review of all the computer media submitted to this office revealed a total of 1,325 images of suspected detainee abuse, 93 video files of suspected detainee abuse, 660 images of adult pornography, 546 images of suspected dead Iraqi detainees, 29 images of soldiers in simulated sexual acts, 20 images of a soldier with a Swastika drawn between his eyes, 37 images of Military Working dogs being used in abuse of detainees and 125 images of questionable acts.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
Yup pretty awful stuff and you can bet people will be charged and some will be default get away with such acts but it will and has caused much internal soul searching something that is conspicous in its absence by far too many like yourself.
Are you daring to suggest that much much worse and systematic does not occur in prisons throughout the Muslim World. Would you like the links to examples in Iran, Malaysia, Saudi?
You have reference for that I suppose, as it is commonly expected that 10:1 ratio injuries to death can be expected indiscriminate bombing. If your facts are true then no nation on earth could hide than many injured, on the other hand…..