Anti-Chinese Violence
Feb 6th, 2007, in News, by PatungAnti-Chinese feeling in Indonesia, 1996-1999.
Jemma Purdey, in Anti-Chinese Violence in Indonesia, 1996-1999, suggests that the anti-Chinese violence which periodically occurred prior to May 1998 had its origins in the policy of the Suharto government of marginalising the ethnic Chinese population, restricting them to certain, mainly business, roles, and portraying them as uncaring and corrupt.
Frustrated and poor “native” Indonesians who might be expected to take out their anger on government officials instead were diverted by the government into venting those frustrations on the Chinese. So, for the Suharto regime, the Chinese were a convenient scapegoat, and a provided an important safety valve for the expression of the people’s passions, and allowed mob violence to be directed at targets other than the regime. Normally violence against Chinese was directed largely against their property, rather than their persons. (see Pogroms in East Java 1965-66 for a couple of examples.)
Anti-Chinese Violence in Indonesia, 1996-1999.
The riots which occurred in Jakarta in May of 1998 however were of a different nature, says Purdey. They seemed to have been organised, with military-like precision, rather than spontaneous displays of rebellion, and involved the use of rape against Chinese women, although the numbers of victims is disputed.
Purdey points out however that it is only a minority of the indigenous population which is given to participating in mob violence against ethnic Chinese. eurekastreet
288 Comments on “Anti-Chinese Violence”
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
Friend orgindo, everyone should speak Arabic – the chosen language of your creator, Allah Subhana Wata’ala.
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luphIndo says:
to Orgindo
What is wrong speaking a language that you are taught since you are young?tell that to ur friends in Medan… when I went there they give me you-are-Chinese- but-you-cant-speak-chinese-look…so what can you say? when I was in Java, I never met such kind of experience.
may be my exposure to what happend in Medan is different from yours, anyway thanks for the input…. I think people there are changing.. Good news!!!
to Aluang
Friend orgindo, everyone should speak Arabic – the chosen language of your creator, Allah Subhana Wata’ala.
*yawn*…. just another -colonized by Arabs- mentality… that is why Muslim-majority-countries never get peace with other race… even Javanese Christians can pray using Javanese… Thank you
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horseyman says:
HI,i just wondered if someone out there could tell me where
my wife could get her Indonesian birth certificate translated
into the english language,and how long it would take and cost?
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Dragonwall says:
Oigal I know of someone at Jln Industri off Gunung Sahari called Budi. He is a registered Aussie translator that translate most Indonesian BC to English and have them notarize.
Let me go home and check out his address and phone numbers. It cost approximately 40-50,000 each.
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Jake Charles says:
I’m Chinese.
I’m Indonesian.
And I’m damn proud of it.
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FiliaS says:
I am Chinese and unfortunately was born in Indonesia. I am EXTREMELY embarassed to be either Indonesian or Indonesian Chinese. Thank God I do not live in Indonesia anymore.
Aluang – I’d rather speak double Hebrew backward anytime over Arabic.
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Kai says:
Aluang anak Bayang Says:
April 22nd, 2007 at 10:24 pm
It was first published in the 60s when Dr. Mahatir was a nobody. I know you can buy it off the internet, but I am not sure if the book is still banned in Malaysia, probably not because Dr. Mahatir came to power shortly after that. Have a thought on this,You wanted 2 weeks off for your holiday. If your boss is:
a Westerner: “Enjoy yourself. See you in 2 weeks”.
a Japanese: “huh Oliday, last time I have oliday was 10 years ago”.
a Chinese: “2 weeks! there are so many works to be done. I give you 1 week”.
an Indian: He will start rummaging around and before he open his mouth, you said, “sorry, forget about the holiday”, and went back to your office desk.
a Malay: “yahooo, thanks for reminding me. I need a holiday too”.The Malay race do not have strong work ethic.
I am a chinese, i would say to my employee : “Enjoy yourself. See you in 2 weeks”.
or
“yahooo, thanks for reminding me. I need a holiday too”.The point is, don’t generalized people by the act of some. That’s what started this all racial discrimination thing.
Dimp Says:
February 8th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
Sayid,Not all Muslims are guilty of harming innocent Christians and vice versa. Not all Chinese are responsible for the sweat shop conditions many Javanese work in. Not all Javanese are responsible for the massacres of Chinese, Papuans or Timorese. However many people in Indonesia are guilty of wrong doings motivated by prejudice.
Couldn’t say this better myself, bravo. If only more Indonesians think like this then we would not be in this rut.
Totally agree.
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Raden says:
Merry X’mas to all of you who celebrate it.
The X’mas eve in Indonesia was peacefully passed without any bomb explossion (at least I do not hear any in Jkt), that is itself a blessing (it is considered as rahmat Allah SWT) we should be very very happy about it.
Unfortunately, I heard one intimidation case in kampung Duri when warga phisically threaten the Catholic ‘rumah ibadah warga’ should they continue to worship Tuhan Yesus Kristus in the future. As usual, u know who those group belong to who like to threaten other religions and posses attitude that is above the law in Indonesia.
I am affraid, sooner or later in Indonesia with this kind of poor religion tolerance, we can naturally create the Christian terrorist too (sooner or later it is not only Islamic terrorist) who are no longer can take it anymore with this kind of intimidation. -
HItam TApi CIna says:
Many reasons why my indonesian neighbour hate me. I don’t like it but I can’t do much myself to change the way they feel. The main reason is poverty and the lack of education. Uneducate people tend to resort to violence to compensate their helplessness and easily provoked by evil indonesian politicians.
I thing I regret the most is that my indonesian neighbour have lost their humanity and their religion is used to justify their action.
My solution is:
For my CINA brothers and sisters:
you have to turn the conditions around by: (if you want to stay)
1. eliminate corruption in the government
2. eliminate poverty, provide good education & health service for your indonesian neighbour
3. discussion about this hatred has to be made public so the nation can listen and remember because our nation has a poor memoryOR ELSE
RUN, run and run as far as you can from indonesia and let them rot in their own stupidity, poverty and corrupt government.
The reason why I say this is the violence will happen again. Look at indonesian history that violence against minority happen almost every 20 to 30 years since the early 20 century and because the government is so corrupt and therefore the people still poor and uneducated, it’s only the matter of time before the violence reoccurs.
If you can survive the oppression by your government and your neighbour, you can survive anywhere in the world.The way I see it, Indonesia’s economy is not going to recover fully until the next 5 years due to the upcoming world recession and even if the economy recover sooner, it will take at least 30 years (if not 50-100 years) for the nation to be minority friendly and that if the people and the government started doing the right thing from now.
Good Luck
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Deng Xiao Phing says:
the nation can listen and remember because our nation has a poor memory
Yes, it is true.
Dear my Tionghoa brothers who live happily or hopelessly in Indonesia.
Today we celebrate the 10th year anniversary of Mei 1998 bloody riot, our tionghoa female girls were sistematically raped, our property were burnt & vandalized without any trials / prosecution of the culprits. Our Indon government have changed from cabinet Habibie until cabinet SBY-JK, none of them initiated investigation & prosecution on who were the instigators of Mei 1998 riot.Now, I am watching you living as it is in Indon as if you erased your memory on what happened to our less fortunate victims of Mei 1998 riots. Our gov’t denial of sistematic riots & neglecting to compensate the lost ones (bodies were burnt, raped, houses burnt to ashes, etc …) are unforgetable incidents. A huge human right violation was committed to the history of barbaric Indonesian and after 10 years our gov’t do nothing.
This country’s ideology dominated by the majority muslim, which the basic building block of their ideology will always be backward thinking, contra progression, lethargic & will always ignore the minority’s rights. Exactly like the portray of today Malaysian. I see 10 years ignorance to Mei 1998 riots as intollerable, Indonesia will never respect the minority groups, similar to how the majority muslim treat the Ahmadiyah followers minority …… what can u expect from Indon if you are Tionghoa citizen ?
Get out from Indonesia will be the best alternative among worse choices indeed … & coming soon fuels increases, be prepared to be ‘kambing congek’ / scape goat of the muslim radicals ! every 10 years there will be new riots against Chinese for sure …. otherwise this country is not called Indonesia
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sputjam says:
Too bad for minorities in indonesia, especialy the chinese who are outnumbered 25 :1.
Like a lady once wrote – get a man who can give you pleasure. And if he makes you happy, consider that a bonus. So if the country cannot deliver justice and fairness, then move on.
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despite of Indon gov’t’s incompetencies to manage this country, lack of law enforcement, hatred & jealousy toward chinese citizens minority, constant abuse & human right violation without trials to the culprits, lack of infrastructure, worsening political & economic situation … why chinese indonesian like to live there ?
Deng Xiao Phing said it is better living in your homeland China, there is prosperity & living progression in China as the bigger brother of Indon -
Let us all stop living in the past (I doubt you can).
Stop blaming government and pribumi for not doing anything for hatred against minority(Chinese, Christian, Ahmadiyah). Of course all criminals have to be punished but,
Chinese or Pribumi are the same, victims of the greed of whoever in power.
just as a reminder for everyone, in case you forget that:All Indonesian pribumis are descendents of chinese who came from South China thousands years ago, so Chinese and Pribumi are brothers.
Pribumis became moslems because Admiral CHENG HO spread the religion in Java and Sumatra then started Islamic kingdoms in Java.
Many chinese fought along side Indonesian kings against the Dutch and many are involved in the struggle for Indonesian Independence.
And violence against chinese minority (which started since 1740 and since then all violence have the same characteristic) only happened because the authority let them happenned and used them for their political benefits.
Most cities in Java and Sumatra are build by Chinese for Indonesian people. All trading network in Indonesia are built by Chinese since hundreds of years ago.
For more detail on the uncensored Indonesian Chinese role in Indonesian history download this book by Benny G. Setiono from this link.
http://www.inti.or.id/library/Tionghoa%20Dalam%20Pusaran%20POLITIK.exeTo my fellow Chinese in Indonesia
The Question now, What are you going to do next?
Pribumi cannot make this country prosper and that is reality.
Pribumi cannot make this country free from corruption.
Pribumi cannot make the government to give education to all.And it is all our fault (pribumi and chinese).
If the government failed to deliver, it is also our fault who elected them in the last election.Leave the old approach on relying an individual to provide for the nation’s best, because individual will corrupt and turn bad especially when he or she is smart.
Next election, choose wisely and make a better government system and audit the system regularly.@ D X Ping
Dont go to China, they are no better than Indonesian government who rule the country as they like. And don’t depend on China to come to your rescue if things turn sour in Indonesia because they never will like what they did centuries ago when violence against chinese broke in Indonesia.
Go to the West where there are better human right protection (although it does not mean racism does not exist there). Start practising your english daily and prepare yourself, either to migrate or work to change things in Indonesia. -
Well said, especially for the “dont go to china” part.
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sputjam Says:
Too bad for minorities in indonesia, especialy the chinese who are outnumbered 25 :1.
Too bad for minorities in Indonesia, especially the Ahmadiyahs because the majority are paranoid then chose violence and cannot accept pluralism and mulitculturalism.
This reminds me of live in the middle age. You must be at least 500 years old then.
Like a lady once wrote – get a man who can give you pleasure. And if he makes you happy, consider that a bonus. So if the country cannot deliver justice and fairness, then move on.
So if the country cannot deliver protection and let the moslem extreme fundamentalist groups burn, kill and rape the Ahmadiyahs, then move on?
Either your religion (I hope not) or whatever is in your brain (I think you dont have one), blinded you and made you the devil himself.
You are no better than the Dutch who invaded Indonesia,
you are no better than the Bali bombers,
you are no better than the Thaliban.
Whoever they are, they are still human.You know what,
the worse thing is that you are an educated intelect and that makes you a monster.So if the country cannot make you prosper, educated, and free from corruption, then move on? May be you are one of the corrupt officer?
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Javan says:
Just read many of the posts in here, I can see who are racists. In my experience, the Chinese are worse racist, even between different groups of their own people. The are condescending toward natives in many Southeast Asians. They think they are better. They have no respect to native culture and do not assimilate. They deserve to be wiped out of Southeast Asia.
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Just read many of the posts in here, I can see who are racists.
Ah, I see..
In my experience, the Chinese are worse racist, even between different groups of their own people.
So, what makes you think we can use your experience as a guidance? How about other people’s experiences?
They think they are better.
Who doesn’t?
They have no respect to native culture and do not assimilate.
And what was the reason that the Chinese in Indonesia cannot preserve their so called ‘native culture’? Do they respect Chinese’s native culture? If everybody thinks that his culture is native, well, then whose culture is native?
They deserve to be wiped out of Southeast Asia.
Haha. A very thoughtful idea indeed. Again, haha.
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@ Javan
If you are a javanese, You are mostly to have chinese blood in you, too.
You have been brainwashed effectively by Suharto and the Dutch, my friend.DO your homework before you start pointing fingers.
Read the uncencored Indonesian history, not the history written by Suharto and his crooks. -
kiwibali says:
What is wrong speaking a language that you are taught since you are young?
Nothing wrong with it, but by not speaking the national language, or at least try, when you are in a proximity of someone who doesn’t share the same linguistic skills as you, its a sign of disrespect.
George B. Whitfield, III mentioned of concern that non-natives should take into notice , regarding cross-cultural communication in Indonesia is that they should make an effort to learn – and implement – the culture, taboos, and language of their Indonesian colleagues.
By doing the above the non-natives showed that they doesnt quite respect the natives and their culture, and respect are highly correlated with trust. to quote K, Leung and D, Tjosvoldtrust is built upon demonstrable mutuality and respect
So how can we have a good relationship if the foundation, trust, haven’t been build.
My father has always told me, ‘when in rome do as the romans do’. You are allowed to keep your language and even embrace it, but plz don’t do so when you are in the vicinity of others who doesnt share the same language as yours. By doing this you are ultimately isolating the ‘others’ by shutting them off from your conversation and fueled a sense of distrust.
I live in New Zealand and i’ve heard some by kiwi’s “man i feel intimidated now in buses, its like im in a whole another country”. i asked why? they said “they all are talking in languages i cant understand, and i feel like a foreigner in my own country”.
imagine that feeling like a foreigner in your own country. this created this view that foreigners as trying to create this mini-society inside a society (reminded me of Britain’s Muslim suburb). this continuous separation just fueled a further tension and hatred between them. Coupled with the process of ‘othering’ this just create another war in our own backyard.
I fully understand the feeling. The first time I moved abroad, I was the only kid from Indonesia (in some way I thankful for it, I assimilated faster). As most of the other Asian kid, I turned to other Asian first (mostly Japanese and Chinese), due to our similar culture and therefore our degree of interactions. But I felt so left out, most of the time they just communicate in their language. it made me felt so separated from them, my own ‘asian’ brother, this created a sense of ‘us and them’.Again, it is not because of racial stuff. And i don’t agree if we are not allowed to talk Chinese in public. If you are offended by that, stop living in city and go to ‘kampung’. Face it, you are not alone in this world.
So are you saying the people are not allowed to venture to the city because of this?. sad mate, simply sad. try to walk in the shoes of the those ‘kampung’ people. what if one day you come home and half of the household now simply talking in a language you could not understand. what if your whole life you know that people in the city talk mandarin, in fact the national language is mandarin, and then when you visit them again in 10 years a reasonable proportion talk arabic. these people felt left-out, alone, in their environment that they thought they know.
Asian culture is known to value harmony above all else, they like to keep the harmony intact, undamaged. They like to keep situation as predictable as they can, change is not desirable. because of this deep ingrained culture they unleash the frustration in all sort of ways.
Now I’m not saying the riot, racist and discriminatory acts can be justified using this reasoning. But please tried to understand the culture behind it and try to walk in their shoes.Talking in Indonesia is a simple start in assimilating. You can keep your culture and language, heck embrace it, I know I am embracing the culture of Bali here in NZ, but be in mind of your surrounding when doing so.
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Hitam Tapi Cina Says:
“If you are a javanese, You are mostly to have chinese blood in you, too.
You have been brainwashed effectively by Suharto and the Dutch, my friend.”This demonstrates your arrogant mindset again. So what if some of the ancestors came from China? That doesn’t make Indonesian to be the same as Chinese! Your Chinese blood, your body, and your soul have been nourished by this land and the people. You should become Indonesians, not the snobs to look down on the people who took you in and nurture you when you came to ask for a place to live.
If you don’t like Indo, GET THE HELL OUT!
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Deng Xiao Ping says:
the more talks .. the more delay …
why not …. you Indonesian Chinese … start selling all of your asset & transfer your money out from Indonesia.
– You know pribumi are incompetent & corrupt
– You know given 10 X new elections in the next 50 years, it won’t change the landscape of hatred, jealousy, lethargic, lazyness …
– You know when Aceh tsunami happening, we saw rakyat Acehnese themself blokadge the roads toward victims areas, demanding money in exchange for access from volunteer workers. Corruption on the logistics & ‘sembako’ was overwhelming despite of those in needs were starving to death in Aceh … you know that ? these are the quality of people in Indonesia
– You see how China gov’t, the Sichuan province people handle & behave toward the victims, the social workers are amazingly practices ‘gotong royong’ without ‘pamrih’ or we hear any corruption …That’s the difference whether u like it or not, that’s the fact !
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You should become Indonesians, not the snobs to look down on the people who took you in and nurture you when you came to ask for a place to live.
You see.. this is our dilemma. We would very much call ourselves Indonesian, but pribumi never accept us as Indonesian. We consider going back, but as you say, Indonesia is our motherland, and we do not consider ourselves as Chinese citizen. But we will never deny our race, our core identity, that we are Chinese.
We can’t force you guys to treat us fairly, it all depends on your side, whether you are willing to stop considering us as foreigner. Meanwhile, some of us would like to stay in Indonesian even we do not like it, because we make a lot of money here. And we can send the money to Singapore or Hong Kong for future use.
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the more talks .. the more delay …
why not …. you Indonesian Chinese … start selling all of your asset & transfer your money out from Indonesia.whao yeah, thats the way to go run away, let the pribumi handle the crap alone. some Chinese-Indonesian parents have lived here for a few generations, but yeah when tough get tough lets just bounce.
real good attitude mate, real good. you wonder why there are prejudice against you the Chines-Indonesian. I know its hard, its downright despicable the current prejudice and discrimination that Chinese-Indonesian faced. But by simply running away, you just fueled the problem. Pribumi will say “see that, they say they’re indonesian but guess what they left the country with their wealth that they produce in Indonesia. it goes to see how they dont really care about us, they just want our resources and leave”. its all fine and dandy for the people who can run away, but how about the other Chinese-Indonesian that doesnt have the resources to to do so? those Chinese-Indonesian will face the negative subsequent effect.
Indonesian stick together, what ever there colour are, yellow, black, brown, white even down right green. If you are indonesian then we have to stick together to better this country!.
yeah china have a culture of gotong royong, its becaue they are a collectivist country just like most Asian country, including Indonesia.
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Deng Xiao Phing says:
Indonesian stick together, what ever there colour are, yellow, black, brown, white even down right green. If you are indonesian then we have to stick together to better this country!.
yeah china have a culture of gotong royong, its becaue they are a collectivist country just like most Asian country, including Indonesia.
Is that true ?
Don’t try to dream Indo Chinese to be equal with so called it ‘pribumi’ although what is pribumi definition is also not clear but beside the point here.
Pls look at how ‘pribumi elite’ in Jakarta, in DPR, pribumi conglomerates handle ‘Porong pribumi’ in Lapindo’ concession area … isn’t it barbarian acts ?
And btw, what is the progress of Aceh rebuild ?Pribumi will say “see that, they say they’re indonesian but guess what they left the country with their wealth that they produce in Indonesia. it goes to see how they dont really care about us, they just want our resources and leave”.
hm … it is so tough to prove as Indonesian, what if your sisters were raped, your mother was tortured and gov’t denied any wrong doing, and you still want to proof you are a good citizen ? ha ha ha …. absurd
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If you don’t like Indo, GET THE HELL OUT!
oh yes, it is correct & I support it very much … only I want to see action not talking, I want to see the immigration statistic shown there are more green passport renounciation than before … then my job is accomplished.
Frankly, assimilation is not an option because once you commit to marry Javanese for the sake ‘ to prove you as an Indonesian citizen ‘, it is pointless & useless, you will only dilute your child’s blood with a lower DNA quality of human being. This is nothing personal but a reality we are facing. In contrary, u can chose to live as chinese indonesia without assimilation and will end-up like ‘alien in theirown country of birth’ ,hence when u decide to live together surrounding with those pribumi people, you as minority hv no choice but to downgrade your way of life down to drain too …. the lowest level of man kind. I mean, mass raping is okay, kissing in public is haram, pork is haram, rioting & looting without prosecution is okay … etc …
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DXP…
Frankly, assimilation is not an option because once you commit to marry Javanese for the sake ‘ to prove you as an Indonesian citizen ‘, it is pointless & useless, you will only dilute your child’s blood with a lower DNA quality of human being. This is nothing personal but a reality we are facing.
This is an interesting point you make here! It explains why such distinctions permeate Indonesia society and persist to this day. It also explains why it is so easy for people who want to target Indonesians of Chinese ancestry to do so. It is not about assimilation or integration but rather it is about accepting difference and moving forward.
The idea you promote with DNA is that races should not intermingle but marry only their own kind! I am interested to know what evidence, empirical would be a little more convincing than anecdotal, on who determined that Javanese DNA is a lower quality? You need to take your hand of the proverbial and get a grip on the “reality” that we are all human beings and no one has any more claim to humanity than the next person (in spite of what our colleague AAB might say)
The idea of only marrying your own kind is also interesting from the perspective of, ‘do Chinese Indonesians disinherit any member of their community who, heaven forbid, falls in love with a Javanese and then marries them for love?
I have a question though…what is your take on an Chinese Indonesian who marries a foreigner are they diluting their children’s blood with an inferior DNA?
Once again you need to get a grip on something other than the proverbial you are holding now!
hence when u decide to live together surrounding with those pribumi people, you as minority hv no choice but to downgrade your way of life down to drain too …. the lowest level of man kind. I mean, mass raping is okay, kissing in public is haram, pork is haram, rioting & looting without prosecution is okay … etc…
Seriously DXP, the Javanese are the lowest level of mankind? Dude, what you smokin’? I think I need to get some of that sh*t cause it is top of the line reality altering wacky weed!
Mass raping is never OK! Kissing in public is haram…yeah right! This is why the DPR is having so much trouble passing into law this provision. Simply, not enough people agree with it even in the DPR…same deal with the Pornography and Indecency bill!
DXP…you need to pull your head out of the sand and have a look around at what is happening in the world the rest of us inhabit!
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whao… simply whao. imagine if our forefather think the same way as you deng. what if soekarno, will just accept a bribe from the dutch/japanese and simply run away with that money and never look back.
oh wait i guess they are not ‘your’ forefather since you dont feel your Indonesian.
let me ask you something, were you born in Indonesia? do you have an Indonesian passport? how long have your generations stayed here?hm … it is so tough to prove as Indonesian, what if your sisters were raped, your mother was tortured and gov’t denied any wrong doing, and you still want to proof you are a good citizen ? ha ha ha …. absurd
Chinese-Indonesian got it rough, im sorry for that, its an act of crime on its highest level. and your answer is you just want to quit? is that your answer for everything? quit?.
not everyone pribumi are like that, i for one are againts it.i hate quitter they took the first train to easyville. call me patriotic but we have to stick together, if everyone who got it rough will just simply run, no progress can be achieved.
if you emigrated here, then hey fair enough but if you are born in Indonesia and your lineage have been in Indonesia for generations than you are Indonesian despite what others say.Your suggestion of simply leave the Indonesia without even a hint of compassion for the pribumi reek hatred vengeance. the extremist use physical violence, you will simply use the economic measure. pull out all investment and cash and let Indonesia downward spiral go out of control. i hope other chinese-Indonesian doesnt have the same view as you, if they do they are just proving those no-good rioters that they are right all along.
‘they are never plan to help us and our country, they simply just want suck our resources for themself and then leave without a hint of hesitation’.– its all fine and dandy for the people who can run away, but how about the other Chinese-Indonesian that doesnt have the resources to to do so? you just gonna leave them here to fight the subsequent effect?
Again not all Indonesian hate the chinese-Indonesian. discrimination is rampant towards the minority in every corner of the globe, but guess what they fight through it, instead of simply running away.
if you simply relocating because you are scared of your life, then fair enough. But you are advising a total break away. A fight can be lead from other part of the world, but by simply just run away from it, thats just simply sad. -
DXP…you need to pull your head out of the sand and have a look around at what is happening in the world the rest of us inhabit!
Rob, nothing personal here, my comments based on the fact this week is the 10th anniversary of 1998 May riots targeting to chinese Indonesian. My tone was very negative as reflection of frustation & anger on Indon gov’t do nothing to investigate the truth & prosecute the culprit who raped, tortured, burt chinese houses/shops in Jakarta, Medan, Solo, Sby, Probolinggo, Lampung, Makasar, etc … during May1998.
The gov’t of Indon were dominating by Javanese race, the fact that Indonesia under colonialism of Javanese race was never prosper and will never prosper now & future …Only those who live & mingle around & grown up with Javanese who really understand how can a human be smile in front of you like a good neighbor but in the event one rioter provoke to burn chinese property then ‘normally’ the majority will follow through … a very typical of Indonesian amok … I still remember clearly the mass shouting loudly …’allahu akbar’ while burning our houses … like burning his goats for sacrifice to their God ! amazing barbaric civilization of INdonesia and the gov’t do nothing about it .. What else to called it except of labelling it as the lowest DNA human quality ?
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the above post is out of wack again sory, i need to learn to use those quote button properly next time.
Frankly, assimilation is not an option because once you commit to marry Javanese for the sake ‘ to prove you as an Indonesian citizen ‘, it is pointless & useless, you will only dilute your child’s blood with a lower DNA quality of human being. This is nothing personal but a reality we are facing.
oh my god…… lower DNA quality?? man you are no better than those damn skinheads roaming around. i cant even comment on this….. that kind of attitude is what started racism. you are no better than those rioters mate, unbelievable.
In contrary, u can chose to live as chinese indonesia without assimilation and will end-up like ‘alien in theirown country of birth’ ,hence when u decide to live together surrounding with those pribumi people, you as minority hv no choice but to downgrade your way of life down to drain too …. the lowest level of man kind. I mean, mass raping is okay, kissing in public is haram, pork is haram, rioting & looting without prosecution is okay … etc …
you don’t have to downgrade your way of life, just don’t show it off in front of someone who doesn’t have anything. my mate is Chinese, he live around the pribumi and he never had problems, he is respected because he simply don’t show off. we all know he is loaded, but he kept all the precious hidden as to not offend us. is not about downgrading, its about respect. imagine if you havent eat in 5 days, and the person next to you just dangling the food infront of you, without any intention of giving it to you. how would you feel. you can have all the jewelry’s, eat all the fast food, just don’t dangle it in front of the people who cant even get meals 3 times a day.
ITS ABOUT RESPECTING OTHERS, NOT DOWNGRADING.
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There is a difference between being Indonesian and being a Chinese that live in Indonesia. Ask surabaya people, when they meet, are they likely to speak Indonesian or Javanese?
What is wrong speaking a language that you are taught since you are young? I am from Medan, and honestly we don’t hold prejudice toward the pribumi, and we just treat them as how they act. If they act barbarious, we treat them as one, if they act smart, so do we. As far as i know, medan is one of most multicultural city. We live happily with Batak, Malay, some Javanese etc, despite of many people.
The sense of prejudice sometimes is just our reaction to protect ourselves. Even for people that has prejudice, I can understand. How cant you have one, if your sister or someone you know, is raped? 5 years ago, a grandma in my neighborhood is killed by robber in her house (not by chinese of course).
Recently, check the news, Iskandar Tansu and his wife is killed and tortured, by 4 people. 3 of them is under 21. He is a very renowned businessman, and when the news spread out, everyone is shocked, because we are very close in term of community. His son is one of the most famous figure in Medan. Google “Nelson Tansu”, one of the youngest professor in US (at 25).
After all this, it is not easy to erase the prejudice. But still, come to Medan and see how we socialize. Most of us don’t have that prejudice. If they treat us well and friendly, we still treat them as one of us anyway. Most of our prejudice come when it deals with ‘uneducated people’, and most of them are not Chinese anyway, that’s why we looked to have those prejudices.
Again, it is not because of racial stuff. And i don’t agree if we are not allowed to talk Chinese in public. If you are offended by that, stop living in city and go to ‘kampung’. Face it, you are not alone in this world.