Barry Soetoro
Nov 6th, 2008, in Opinion, by Guest WriterBarry Soetoro aka Barack Obama’s Indonesian connection.
Former Menteng student now US President
Obama Barack has been democratically elected President of the US.
Quite an about face for the best democracy money can buy, in view of the Bush presidential se-lection.
But of course, corruption, collusion and nepotism is the sole monopoly of the Third World – or so the deluded denizens of the West repeat to themselves as they hug their knees, rocking back and forth – reminding themselves of how they uphold human rights equally across the board, entirely devoid of double-standards and totally oblivious to race, creed or religion.
Barrak Hussein Obama II was born to a white American Ann Dunham and Kenyan Barrak Hussein Obama Snr, in Nyang’oma Kogelo now in Kenya.
Here the Indonesian link starts.
Ann Dunham married in 1967 Lolo Soetoro, a Javanese, whose own father, in 1946 was killed along with his eldest brother were killed, after which the Dutch army burned down the family’s home. Soetoro fled with his mother into the countryside to survive. Incidentally yet more proof of Dutch war crimes – delibrate destruction of civilian property outside the scope of battle.
Pak Lolo Soetoro was an army geologist then later a government relations consultant for Mobil Oil. Obama describes Soetoro as well-mannered, even-tempered, and easy with people.
Barry Soetoro in Indonesia with mother Ann Dunham, step-father Lolo Soetoro, baby-sister Maya Soetoro-Ng.
From age 6 to 10, Obama lived in Jakarta. Age six, Obama attended the Catholic Primary St Francis di Assisi. Much was made of the lie he was educated in a Madrassa – or more accurately a pesantren – this of course was totally untrue. Obama Jnr later attended Model Primary School, Menteng and was registered as a Muslim – as his father was Muslim.
In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell my mother that I made faces during Koranic studies. My mother wasn’t overly concerned. ‘Be respectful,’ she’d say. In the Catholic school, when it came time to pray, I would close my eyes, then peek around the room. Nothing happened. No angels descended. Just a parched old nun and 30 brown children, muttering words.
One of “Berry’s” childhood friends was Adi who often visited “Berry’s” 16 Jalan Haji Ramli house. Speaking volumes of Dutch “development” at the time the road was of this established middle-class neighbourhood was a dirt lane where Obama used to wile away the hours kicking a soccer ball.
Adi recalled Obama and his friends wore plastic bags over their shoes to walk through the muddy street during the rainy seasons.
Neighborhood Muslims worshiped in a nearby house, which has since been replaced by a larger mosque. Sometimes, when the muezzin sounded the call to prayer, Lolo and Barry would walk to the makeshift mosque together, Adi said.
His mother often went to the church, but Barry was Muslim. He went to the mosque,” Adi said. “I remember him wearing a sarong.”
Obama spent most his spare time hanging out with Adi and other friends at the home of Yunaldi Askiar, a classmate. They used to play a kind of fencing game using sticks, kick a ball up and down the narrow dirt lanes or go swimming in the river behind the school, said Askiar, 42, a car mechanic.
Obama was taller and better dressed than most kids in classes where shoes and socks were still luxuries, so he stood out from the start. As an African American, and the only foreigner, he suffered racial taunts and teasing but never turned to violence.
“At first, everybody felt it was weird to have him here,” Israella Dharmawan, his first grade teacher said. “But also they were curious about him, so wherever he went, the kids were following him.”
His friends enjoyed playing tricks on Berry: Harmon ASki recalled,
“Sometimes we’d say, ‘Barry, do you want a chocolate?’ And we’d give him a chocolate. The next day we’d give him a chocolate again. The third time we’d give him terasi (fermented shrimp paste) wrapped up like chocolate. Obama didn’t get mad. He would laugh it off.”
Ann Soetoro moved to Yogyakarta, while Obama Jnr studied in Jakarta. She was inspired by Jogja village industries, which became the basis of her 1992 doctoral dissertation.
“She loved living in Java,” said Dr. Dewey, who recalled accompanying Ms. Soetoro to a metalworking village. “People said: ‘Hi! How are you?’ She said: ‘How’s your wife? Did your daughter have the baby?’ They were friends. Then she’d whip out her notebook and she’d say: ‘How many of you have electricity? Are you having trouble getting iron?’ ”
Dunham-Soetoro became a consultant for the United States Agency for International Development on setting up a village credit program, then a Ford Foundation program officer in Jakarta specializing in women’s work. Later, she was a consultant in Pakistan, then joined Indonesia’s oldest bank to work on what is described as the world’s largest sustainable microfinance program, creating services like credit and savings for the poor.
Obama in Hawaii with Maya and Ann and maternal grand-father, shortly after leaving Indonesia.
In his tellingly-titled Memoir, Dreams from My Father, Obama describes his Indonesian interlude as “one long adventure, the bounty of a young boy’s life”. But he also recalls being troubled by the poverty around him: “the empty look on the faces of farmers the year the rains never came,” and the desperation of the disabled beggars who came to the family’s door.
“The world was violent, I was learning, unpredictable and often cruel,” he writes. Obama and his mother thus we were very well acquainted with the harsh realities of indigenous Indonesians.
Fermina Katarina Sinaga, recalled yojhng Obama in her class: in the common task of class to write an essay titled “My dream: What I want to be in the future.” Obama “wrote ‘I want to be a president,’ ” she said. During a later writing assignment on family, he wrote, “My father is my idol.
The Indonesian connection for Obama and all that shaped him proving once again all things Javanese and indigenous Indonesian the bedrock for the towering monuments built on the foundations of a great civilisation.
1,047 Comments on “Barry Soetoro”
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Ross says:
Gosh you’re on good form for this time of day, Oigal! As usual, I’ll skip the morning wars and resume after dark, when the moonbats are more easily spotted! Hati2,ya?
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Oigal says:
Yea but I peak early then collapse like Rudd government in oz
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yvonne says:
Re: swearing in on Koran: that was a different member of Congress. Congressman Ellison was the individual that used the Quran. Obama actually used a bible.
I myself loathe the man. I just didnt want anyone to be misinformed about the swearing in stuff. We have to be so ultra careful not to misspeak, because Obamas backers are vicious and will use even a faux pas of speech to discredit anyone who speaks against him.
Doesnt the fact that Mr. Obama cut his political teeth in Chicago Politics bother anyone but me??? Hes as corrupt as the day is long, and WELL into the night! -
Ok, Im liking this web site and discussion a whole lot! Glad I found you all! Peace, and looking forward to joining this intellectually stimulating group!
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Glad you’re enjoyng this, Yvonne. You should buy my books! (completely irrelevant plug, but one has to make the most of every opportunity!)
Yeah, Chicago politics has been odd since at least the Cook County theft of Nixon’s first presidential bid. No wonder he adopted some of the Democrats ‘low road’ ways.Oigal and Odinius. Lured by Yvonne’s nice smile, I’m starting early today, becvause also I’m amazed that you think the US media is ‘rightwing.’
Fox got going to a flying start PRECISELY because they could fill a big gap. The NYT is certainlt the worst, but almost all news outlets are pink, both in terms of ideology and of sexuality.
There’s a famous quote by a NYT insider on that latter aspect.Oigal, you sensibly took an interest in the cover-up at Climategate, but you won’t consider it possible that B. Husein might have skeletons in his closet. I dare say most pollies do, but when they reach the White House, it becomes harder to prove. Witness Clinton’s intimidation of the women who spoke up on his molestations.
Treason never prospers, what’s the reason, when treason prospers, NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON! Now that was a very good book too, 1964, I think, by John Stormer.
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See there we go again Ross, Treason??
Take away the foaming at the mouth and the pulsing neck veins what do you have left? What legally or consituationally he has done that is against the law or treason..ish. As much as you wish it so, being from the left is not treason.
Difference with “CLIMATEGATE” (red hering alert) there was proof of a coverup via verifiable emails. Even that did not render Climate Change unproven or proven.
Now you deliver one shred of evidence, that is or could be classed as impeachable..(no, hillybilly bill’s birther blog does not count) for me to take you any more seriously than the area 51 birther crowd.
Just to sum up, and correct me if I am wrong, you call for impeachment or whatever is because..
1…Billy Bob said OB was born in Kenya. 2..OB appointed eligible americian citizen who you detest to a p.osition of authority. 3… OB was a Chicago Polly therefore not eligible to President… 4.. You don’t like him
Have I missed any? Assuming I haven’t, then sorry Ross none of the above carries a gnats crap of weight.
Yvone, Personally couldn’t care less about OB, only here to watch to the frothing at the mouth, it’s fun in “these nutters have nukes” kind of way.
Ross, Happy to argue left vs right and inbetween but you need to seperate what you wish to be so from the legal proofs required for impeachment or shooting at dawn.
Don’t forget OB won the election unlike Bush and of the 47% that didn’t vote for him, 26% of those are creationists, which rules them out from rational consideration anyway.
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Aaah, there you go, Oigal, trying to seek the moral/logical high ground, but shooting yourself in the foot with your last sentnece.
Do you really think because they hold different views from you on a religious matter, they are ipso facto disqualified.
And did Bush lose …and would O B Husein win next time round only on the (wet) backs of all the illegal parasites he wants to enfranchise?
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Laugh, Just fishin’ Ross… (I do like to encourage the loons, they are funny in a scary clown way). Of course, you do realise that the darling of the US Right, Prez Reagan was the first to “enfranchise’ the mexican issue to the tune of of 2 million illegals as you call them.
Again, everything you attribute to the Left was perfected by the right …votes from immigrants..Cubans, Dirty Tricks and Republicans ring a bell?
But you are correct, personal and political views are not relevent. Still waiting for one real legal issue that OB has done to remotely justify any of the nonsense previously suggested…JUST ONE..
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Impeachment is up to the Americans, not me. BHO is spending a lot of money fighting disclosure of his birth certificate, which does tend to make me wonder.
We only have a year or two to wait for fresh elections, so perhaps a drastic dethronement is not practical politics.
However, I like America and Americans, and wish them well. Hence my distaste for BHO, who seems incredibly unAmerican. He certainly has a most peculiar background, and I see a new movie is being made, right here, which ought to be interesting, given this clip from the Globe yesterday.“Rushed New Movie on Obama’s Jakarta Boyhood Set to Ignite Religious Debate
In a move sure to provoke controversy among right-wing groups in the United States, production is set to begin on a new Indonesian movie about Barack Obama’s childhood in Jakarta.
The movie is expected to include scenes of the future US president prostrating to God in the direction of the Kaaba in Mecca, as well as reciting from the Koran.
The film is based on the novel “Obama Anak Menteng” (“Obama the Menteng Kid”), which author Damien Dematra claims to be a true account of “Barry’s” childhood in the Jakarta suburb.
The novel was reportedly written in five days after Damien spent five days interviewing 30 people.”
He said he had proof that Obama prayed in the manner of a Muslim and recited the Koran.” -
The novel was reportedly written in five days after Damien spent five days interviewing 30 people.”
He said he had proof that Obama prayed in the manner of a Muslim and recited the Koran.”Aaah! Good Heavens..he must be the anti-christ then! ROFL…
So what? He was kid and probably (if at all) just doing what his mates were doing. I too can perform Wudhu and Solat (probably still cuff a few of the catholic nonsense rituals as well) but don’t make me a Muslim nor the anti Christ.
Are you aware how desperately pathetic that film sounds? Ross you have been here for a few years surely you have not been living in such a bubble that you can recite a few verses of the Koran yourself by now?
BHO is spending a lot of money fighting disclosure of his birth certificate, which does tend to make me wonder.
Is that it..it that really all you have?
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Hence my distaste for BHO, who seems incredibly unAmerican
Lets see, Black with Anglo mom, migrant background, poor family, Chicago. Nope, don’t see any of the oh so famous, USA melting pot there…
BTW…I was really expecting to see a response on Reagan’s answer to the immigrant issue. Did you see Glen Beck today, he had China invading Europe and was actually saying Europe had to choose between Hitler and Stalin. Hasn’t the news got to fox yet..they are dead.
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As you surely know, I wasn’t referring to his ‘ethnic’ background but to the bizarre philosophies he’s been hung up on. A white-hating agitator reverend, an unrepentant terrorist, a substitute dad who was a known CPUSA activist.
Your continuing dismissal of doubts on his citizenship seems to rest only on irritation with critics. Where’s the birth certificate, Oigal? Easy to access for a powerful man, no prob for a President, but it’s is still hidden away. Don’t you find it odd?
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And Palin was spot on about the terrorist link. Or do you not think Ayers matches that description? He admits it, for pity’s sake, and Obama openly cavorted with the guy.
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Oke, Oigal, let’s look at Reagan. Sure, he was probably the best President since WW2, but he was not immune to misjudgement. (on a non-migration matter, I regret his failure to continue on from the liberation of Grenada to perform the same service for the Cuban people)
He was dealing with a much smaller problem back in the 80s, and his then Attorney General wrote about it in 2006. viz.‘The lesson from the 1986 experience is that such an amnesty did not solve the problem. There was extensive document fraud, and the number of people applying for amnesty far exceeded projections. And there was a failure of political will to enforce new laws against employers. After a brief slowdown, illegal immigration returned to high levels and continued unabated, forming the nucleus of today’s large population of illegal aliens. So here we are, 20 years later, having much the same debate and being offered much the same deal.
What would President Reagan do? For one thing, he would not repeat the mistakes of the past,’ -
He was dealing with a much smaller problem back in the 80s, and his then Attorney General wrote about it in 2006
He was doing nothing of the sort, he was garnering voters..
So lets see, OB should be president in Ross world because
1. Hawaii cannot be trusted to verify his place of birth, but grandma ohmacho from Kenya can.
2. His dad in Ross’s opinion was a bit dodgy
3. Sarah Palin (chuckle) doesn’t like his political appointments
4. When Reagan enfranchised over 2 million immigrants it was a minor mistake but when OB does it, it is the act of the anti-christ
5. OB has bizarre philosophies (non specific but one assumes such satanish things as universal health care)
6. He won’t invade cuba
7. He might have then again might not have once faced in the direction of Mecca as a kid and ….gasp!!!!!! prayed in the manner of Muslim
8. He once worked near cook county who stole an election from some crook named NixonHave I missed any?
Still waiting tho Ross..Where exactly is the Treason you brougth up earlier…
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OOPS “should not be president because….
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C’mon, Oigal, you can do better than that farrago. In reverse order, in the Oigal world, your narrow but sharp mind must recognise that:-
8 The Cook County saga is well documented and acknowledged even by those woith whom I would noramlly disagree. Nixon lost the 1960 election because Illinois’ electoral votes went to Kennedy, who got them by fiddling that area of Chicago. Chicago politics are notoriously rotten, partly due to mafia and parlty to the late Mayor Daly’s machine.Obama’s proximity to Chicago is not any part of the reason he needs investigated, EXCEPT in that he was sponsored by a known terrorist..
7 He is hardly any kind of Christian, having little church connection EXCEPT to a looony anti-white racist preacher. If he were, and had owned up to being, a Muslim, he might have got less votes.
6 He is hardly likely to nivade Cuba, given that many leading memberso fh is party appear to admire the sort of ruinous marxist oppression that exists there. The Cuba point was in reference to Reagan’s regrettable failure to reverse Kennedy’s appeasement of the dictatorship there. (and Kennedy’s refusal to give the air supoort essential to the liberation forces at the Bay of Pigs in 1961.
5 You may think Obama’s philosophies are not bizarre. He is busily overthrowing the anti-terrorist policies which even FDR as in favour of. And demoralsing the armed forces with his encouragement of the abolition of ;don’t ask, don’t tell,’ itself a hazard to morale which needs to be replaced by the old poicy of exclusino of doubious character.
4 Reagan was wrong to give those queue-jumpers amnesty. Two wrongs don’t make a right, and Obama’s plan is pure vote-grubbing.(and that’s the kindest interpretation that can be placed on it.)
3 Palin was probably better qualified than Obama, and she was SPOT ON about his terrorist palling around. Would you welcome a gloating terrorist in your front room, never mind as your election sponsor?
2 His dad may well ahve been dodgy, but i never mentioned him, nor did I refer to his grandfather’s terrorist involvement. I did mention his ‘godfather,’ Frank the Fiery Red CPUSA activist, whom Obama lauds in his own writings.
1 His birth certificate – does it exist? If not, why not? And if so, why doesn’t he just produce it and quell the protests? You continually duck that issue, and I am still trying to figure out why.
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Odinius says:
Oigal said:
So lets see, OB should be president in Ross world because
1. Hawaii cannot be trusted to verify his place of birth, but grandma ohmacho from Kenya can.
2. His dad in Ross’s opinion was a bit dodgy
3. Sarah Palin (chuckle) doesn’t like his political appointments
4. When Reagan enfranchised over 2 million immigrants it was a minor mistake but when OB does it, it is the act of the anti-christ
5. OB has bizarre philosophies (non specific but one assumes such satanish things as universal health care)
6. He won’t invade cuba
7. He might have then again might not have once faced in the direction of Mecca as a kid and ….gasp!!!!!! prayed in the manner of Muslim
8. He once worked near cook county who stole an election from some crook named NixonHehe. And George W. Bush was a member of Skull and Bones, has deep ties to the Saudi Royals and bin Laden family, was a former drug user, Cheney a draft dodger who gave a no-bid contract to Halliburton in Iraq, blah blah blah.
These are all reasons why someone might not vote for a presidential candidate, if they are important to the voter. That’s one of the great things about democracy: you can make your own voting decision based on whatever criteria matters to you, however nutty it might seem to others.
The other great thing about democracy is that, if more people vote for one guy over the other, that person gets elected and can serve a term, until we all get together and do it again.
The price is that your favored candidates don’t always win. If you think democracy is a good system, then you have to be okay with that. The alternative is authoritarianism.
So, to put it another way, if someone thinks they should be able to invalidate the results when they don’t go their way, then that person doesn’t want democracy. That person wants authoritarianism.
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Ya, you have said that before, Odinius, and most constitutions have grounds for impeachment.
If you read my posts, I have not said it should happen, but I am concerned that so much of Obama’s background is covered-up.
It would be the easiest thing in the world for Barack Husein to get hold of his real birth certificate, so why doesn’t he?i -
William says:
Janma, if you really do not understand the difference between a natural born citizen and a regular American citizen than theres a real problem here. It’s scary to know people like you walk this earth.
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Barack OBAMA is not real. His REAL name is Barry Soetoro. There is proof of this. All of these sinners who voted for a Muslim are going to be in for a big surprise.
Of course, Ross there is always this line of rational discussion. Only found it because William apparently was referring to Janma’s comment 13 pages ago 🙂
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You sound jolly today, Oigal. Clearly weren’t out last night, as I was, so I’ll pass, till later, on William dll, for the moment!
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Laugh…Indeed, a night of watching football (with a win) at home. Although this thread always makes me chuckle.
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Cliff says:
Purba Negoro
You said
He has seen the horrific impact of US imperialism first hand. are you also saying that he intends to destroy america?I would like to inform you that many people do not think that America has been governed according to the constitution, and that is why we are trying to get the socialists out of government.
Obama or Soetoro or what ever his name may be has proven him self to be a socialist, regardless of any thing else he may be.
I don,t know any thing about the moslem countries but history tells us that socialism was the beginning of all of the destruction in Europe before America was even that much of a world power.
Socialism was the father of The Naszi,s and the communists and it is the problem here.
Capitalism is not the problem, Capitalism is not a system, it is a natural process of a free people.If the Moslems helps the Socialists to destroy the constitutional America, they are also helping to destroy themselves because Satan is using Socialism to make America the leader in the one world government.
If the muslems want to keep their freedom, then they should be helping to bring this nation back to constitutional government, the way it was set up to be, the land of the free.
What we have to do is to get the freedom loving people back into government and get the dictators out, we have to let the public servants know that they are public servants and not over seerers or boss,es.
We have to elect people who will bring this country back, not destroy it.
Join in the fight for Freedom.
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And the winner is:
If the Moslems helps the Socialists to destroy the constitutional America, they are also helping to destroy themselves because Satan is using Socialism to make America the leader in the one world government.
Congratulations, you can pick your prize up from the Department of Paranoid Fantasy.
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Socialism was the father of The Naszi,s and the communists and it is the problem here.
Laugh… There is just so much intellectually wrong with that statement, impossible to start.
Ross, take a look around at the people siding with you here, surely that is enough for to think perhaps time to get off this particular looney train.
Ody…Don’t you just love this thread! It makes me smile every day.. 🙂
We must make time and grab the best (and most bizarre) paragraphs posted here and put it as a seperate thread, we could call it Snapshot of America.
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G’day Oigal
You can certainly pick on some of these guys for their grammar and syntax, but I am surprised you chose that one particular sentence to wield against your foes.
It is incontrovertible that both Nazi national socialism and Bolshevik communism are two shoots off the same branch. Hitler even said that ‘we’ the nazis ‘were what the Bolsheviks might have become without their internationalist perspective.
And it is fairly clear that Barack Husein is a socialist, given his origins and chosen company, – I mean his political background, not his birthplace, wherever that was! -
jay says:
Yes. The Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate is a forgery. Maybe this will not get out to the wider public and he can win reelection. The birth certificate being offered for evidence would not even withstand scrutiny at the department of motor vehicles if were applying for a drivers license. I’ve seen illegal Mexican immigrants with better forgeries. Soetoro 2012!
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BrotherMouzone says:
@Cliff
many people do not think that America has been governed according to the constitution, and that is why we are trying to get the socialists out of government.
Golly! That sounds like a great idea. If only there were some sort of way that the majority of people in America could get the government they want… I don’t know, perhaps some kind of vote or poll?
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A Simpsons “Flash Forward” moment for you Ross..
Mr. Burns: Ironic, isn’t it, Smithers? This anonymous clan of slack-jawed troglodytes has cost me the election. And yet, if I were to have them killed, I would be the one to go to jail. That’s democracy for you.
Smithers: You are noble and poetic in defeat, sir.