What is Racism?
Sep 22nd, 2008, in Asides, by PatungI am getting tired of discussions constantly drifting into the areas we see below, cut from the effeminate men post.
I titled this post “What is Racism?” because, hmm, some stereotypes about different peoples are actually true, and in scientific terms a stereotype must be true, or else it isn’t a stereotype…But I don’t know if there is some formula that determines at what point the exceptions to the rule become so numerous that the stereotype breaks down and has to be abandoned.
I generally don’t like accusations of “racist” and “racism” being thrown around, they are substitutes for thought and argument, or they attempt to stop thought and argument, but I don’t think I’m alone in getting weary at some people constantly carping about Chinese or Anglos, or whoever…
This is the original bit by Purba Negoro which sparked the following off:
Indosiar is also Chinese owned. UNsurpisingly its’ content is facile, derivative, cheap and trite- outirght plagiarisms of better Western models and the lowest possible investment for highest possible profit-wan, aiya- exemplify fondly held Chinese values- the love of tinsel and trinkets.
Metro TV is owned by Pak Paulo. The quality of the station is far superior than profit-at-any-cost typical Chinese penny-dreadfuls. Just like their Tempo and Jakarta Post- self-serving or self-aggrandising pulp fictions.
306 Comments on “What is Racism?”
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purba negoro says:
Fullmoon-
you’re full of rubbish.Bangsawan can be kasar- when dealing with the kasar.
Furthemore- only a fool confuses gagah with kasar. If you truly understood Javanese culture- you’d recall the wayang gagah is also encompassed by gagah bapang, gagah kambeng.
Gatotkacah?
Bima?
Arjuna?It’s obvious I wrote it in modern Indonesian, otherwise it would not make sense.
Furthermore it’s not huruf Jawa- that’s a colloquialism. The correct term is aksara Jawi.Sorry, wrong again pretender.
Pakubawana are nothing. Dutch puppets. A court imorally established after Giyanti for their collaboration with the Dutch against Pangeran Sambernyowo Proven collaborators- hence they lost any legitimacy and funding after Independence.
Only DIY remains- the true throne of Mataram’s Ageng.And orang umum are well above your station anyway, abd dalem. You are truly obliged to address us all in kromo inggil.
The correct Javanese is not puniko- it’s “iki” as in puniki from wonten mriki from iki (ika or iko is itu = “that”).
And we’re all aware Chinese breed like bacteria- or rats- how many “uncles” do you really have? 200? 300?
As you are part Chinese- it should be asked are you sure your father is truly your bio-father? Not mother’s first cousin?“Yeah what do you expect from a racist know all piece of sh*t no-oxygen-moron. He is all but reference from the wikipedia and dictionary creating an opposite of what is factual. Even more on the exaggerating side.
Example when someone says something on bibit bobot bebet he is trying to show us his dictionary sort of things.”
Excellent example of Chinese hatred of peer-reviewed published fact, expert opinion and love of unsubstantiated hearsay and gossip.
“Everyone can claimed they have royal burial, there is nothing to put you anywhere near there. Not even the royal dust.”
That doesn’t even make sense jealous Cheenaman. Try again.
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Cukurungan says:
A country will go nowhere apart from falling apart if the people are racist, such as PN.
The USA might be racist but now we see a good chance of having a first black president.The Countries with strong racism atmosphere proven doing much better than the countries with less racism atmosphere like Indonesia.
Because the racism is a very good recipe to progress and development of a country and whether you like or not that most modern countries in the world were adopting strong racism policy such as Japan, British, Germany, Israel, Swiss and USA will never become super power without adopting the racism policy. And let us not forget that China also never give Uigur, Tibetan and other minorities important role in their goverment.
My prediction USA will never have black president because if OBAMA win on the election likely his fate will not even better than JFK Kennedy
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Cuk…
The K in JFK is for Kennedy 😀
Nah, another conspiracy theorist. If Obama is elected President then his fate will be the same as that of JFK. Cuk, if big brother is mining the internet for key words and phrases then you might be getting that middle of the night knock on the door by blokes in black suits and ties looking to find out what you know.
So, racism equates to development? And, because Indonesia remains under-developed (that is not developed to its full potential) is because it does not have a strong racist culture? Nice theory, care to elaborate? 😉
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Andy says:
Cukurungan, out of the countries you mentioned I would say only Japan has any racist undercurrent in their political system. The last time Germany adopted racist policies was under Adolf ‘Hitler and we all know what happened to him. Israel remains the only Middle Eastern country that allows minorities to vote and live freely in their country. Try being a Jew across any of their borders. Britain will disintegrate because they are being way too generous allowing polygamy amongst Muslims and then giving them all welfare benefits to go with it. Their thanks to the brits was to bomb their underground. The USA, like Australia is a bastion of muticultural freedom and democracy the likes of which Indonesia can never become which is why they continue to wallow in mediocrity allowing only their lazy (javanese) selves any semblence of human rights.
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Patrick says:
@ Rob – Thanks about the gravatar business but the credit goes to you as you were my inspiration to come out from behind the veil of secrecy and show myself.
Maybe Achmad is already my special internet friend? You never know what goes on behind the scense here at IM? wink! wink!
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
@ Andy re,
Britain will disintegrate because they are being way too generous allowing polygamy amongst Muslims and then giving them all welfare benefits to go with it. Their thanks to the brits was to bomb their underground.
You and your kinsmen are jokers. Why allow wild rabies foxes into chicken coop, and then complained later that foxes aren’t chickens? Now some of you chicken even howl like foxes (e.g Barry Prima). You people are pea brain, so unlike Javanese. 🙂
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Andy
swap “lazy Javanese” with “lickspittle Cheenaman” and you’re essentially paraphrasing some of my work.Imitation the sincerest form of flattery, perhaps?
But you miss the point- work smarter not harder, silly.
We Javanese are CEO, CFO and Managerial all in one.
Chinese are merely the aspirant middle-management types on treadmills by their own will, with the self-induced delusion of upward mobility.
Do you think we’d ever allow lowly Cantonese nightsoil hoarders dare look arise from their knees where they belong and feel most at home?Our superior Javanese multi-management skills allow us to control vast rabbles of middle-management lickspittles.
They are painfully aware of their utter worthlessness and need us and our nation far more than we need them.They have stuck themselves in this self-destructive situation, no-one else.
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fullmoonflower says:
hehehe… kangmas PN… kangmas PN… panjenengan ngisin-ngisini… menepuk air sebelanga, terpercik muka sendiri 😛
actually I don’t want to give any response to our Great Pretender…
you just “waton mangap waton njeplak waton ngeyel…”
sing waras ngalah wae… ORA ONO AJINE nek ngomong karo wong sing isane mung waton njeplak… 😛talking to you is useless…. you talking sh*tty about my parents, and you should know that whatever you said is showed that YOU ARE A RACIST yourself… shame on you… NOBODY WILL GIVE YOU HONOUR in this world…
Well, I don’t care what you were talking about… it’s your mouth, your tongue, your brain… hahaha… and those are NOTHING for me 😛
Furthermore, my extended family is still honoured by my country… every year we are always invited to Upacara Hari Kemerdekaan to both Istana Negara in Jakarta and Yogyakarta as a National Hero family…
even Gusti Joyo, and Gusti Probo came to my wedding party and also to all of my cousins’ wedding party 😉
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So, racism equates to development? And, because Indonesia remains under-developed (that is not developed to its full potential) is because it does not have a strong racist culture? Nice theory, care to elaborate?
Not exactly equates but there is strong correlation and recent development in Russia likely even give additional evidence to this theory, recently Russia Economy has been booming and providing more benefit to ordinary Russian after their ultra racialist leadership dare to prosecute all Jews conglomerate who involved in criminal economic activity.
Indonesia after 1998 bankruptcy and all Chinese cukong involved in BLBI case was hiding in Singapore but our president happily assigned Mari Pangestu (Chinese) as a trade minister and right now our small industries batik have been starting to pay the price because of this Chinese minister policy. Recently, there is huge flooding batik import from china worth more than 200 billion rupiah/years but according to her this batik import will not cause problem to our batik industry. Because she is working to support China Batik industry and kill Indonesia batik industry….but no problem we are all happy because we are not racist people.
Israel remains the only Middle Eastern country that allows minorities to vote and live freely in their country
Do not forget Ahmadinejad & Iran also allow Jews community to live much better than Arab living condition under Israel teritory
The USA, like Australia is a bastion of muticultural freedom and democracy the likes of which Indonesia can never become which is why they continue to wallow in mediocrity allowing only their lazy (javanese) selves any semblence of human rights.
Ha ha ha ….Mister Andy …have you conducted survey to black and Hispanic people in America …and …have you asked your blackies brother what is their opinion about the treatment they got from their white brother….
Your statement is very nice in wording but it is nothing in reality because it is not more and not less than the white arrogance statement and do not represent at all the real feeling of the black, Hispanic people and natives people.
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DXP says:
Javanese senior army officers always like to bring up racist statement addressed particularly to chinese indonesian minority. This is the historical $oeharto & co ‘s legacy strategy to difuse public’ attention to their hugh corruption cases, it aint work in the indonesia ‘reformasi’ era anymore …
My dear Indonesian brothers … becareful when someone like PN bring up racist attack to chinese indon it could be there are gigantic corruptions are underway … cover up story !
– a new indon central bank scandal ?
In my university, we tried to decode genetic’s variants which trigger the urge in human brain to keep on ‘stealing what they are not deserve for’ by leveraging their position, power, signatory position which negatively affect their institution’s agenda : ‘the corruption’.
In the large scale & sistematic corruption nation like Indon, the prevalence will prohibit country’s efficiency, productivity & prosperity to the nation but individuals who have access on gov’t spending will mostly benefit it.I do hope, the outcome of my research do not specifically refer to gender, race or social cultural traits. From the bottom of my heart, as endorsed by PN, ‘the bibit bobot bebet’ cases may be the source of Indon problems.
Because Mr. X senior rank in army’s son married to Mr. Y’s doughter who posses important position in finance ministry, etc etc … this is the source of problemJavanese is the least racist people in the world ? I may not pass my PHD thesis
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dragonwall says:
In any event PN might just be the exception to your rule. He might just be the one person who behaves in the way you think armed forces personnel wouldn’t.
It is the opposite Rob, the armed forces would but so as not to be prejudicial, there are also good people. But definitely not PN. I mingled with these people from both side up to the top echelon of political parties, played golf with these star spangled people, ministers. You would surprise. If you had read about the stories of how Prabowo was saved by Hercules of Tanah Abang you know how his troops that were stationed in Tim Tim and Irian returned just before the riots were being leashed into public the dark chapter in the history of the Indonesian 1998 riot.
It is interesting that you label PN the Great Pretender because there is nothing much in what you have said either in terms of empirical research or factual support for your claims. Facts are like statistics in many ways they can be interpreted to provide a certain picture or only the facts that support you position can be used to give the impression of authority. PN generally goes the second route by presenting the facts of one side of the argument and trying to convince us that this is the only argument.
Not surprising of what he is doing but by merely looking and cross checking his comments you should see that he resembles someone quite active in the blog. And those words he so explicitly wrote had showed some significance to his ill conceive hatred that he sort of showed him being a psychomaniac.
I would have thought that you might have sort to present the alternative side, or the flip-side of the coin, in your current ding-dong draw ‘em out battle of words with PN. Unfortunatley, you haven’t but instead have resorted to idle threats (as evidenced on another IM thread).
I don’t and will not but go in loggerhead word for word with what he says not the sort of draw em out battle of word. If you understand counter intelligence. I happens to be an ex army officer training soldiers and some of them are currently holding high ranking position. I know what these people thinks and react.
Putang iNang is what for the benefit of those who do not speak Filipino?
You would be surprise. and byt the way do you know that Tagalog is a mixture of Chinese, Javanese and Spanish? In Tagalog umbrella is payung. for numbers it is siji loro tatlo papat limo anim (Javanese)….and so on but for time it is uno dos tres quatro sinco (Spanish)….. For keys it susi (Chinese).
Nah, another conspiracy theorist. If Obama is elected President then his fate will be the same as that of JFK.
I am not sure how well you understand about politics in the US. I have thought that for Obama to win, it is going to marginal if Hilary’s supporters make another turn to disfavor Palin. But for him to be fated like JFK is very very very unlikely… Just watch.
We Javanese are CEO, CFO and Managerial all in one.
Chinese are merely the aspirant middle-management types on treadmills by their own will, with the self-induced delusion of upward mobility.Yah! The type of being placed there kind of CEO. CFO, FOS type of Managerial all in one! Like Aburizal Bakrie that had his Nusa Bank crap. Those that had succeed earlier were all of those fully backed by those what you guys called the yellow cukong. Once they pulled out it just collapse like a house of cards and that was how the Chinese were being branded the corruptors, and manipulating BLBI’s money.
Do you think we’d ever allow lowly Cantonese nightsoil hoarders dare look arise from their knees where they belong and feel most at home?
It is not for you to say. Look around you.. If the Chinese were to move to another place, migrate then your Abu will make Indonesia become Abu. Tell me why that many Presidents that had their hand in Indonesia were asking to Chinese to stay and bring back their money. Those whom you (nightsoil) consider the bankers that had a hand in the BLBI crap, do you think is susbtantial enough? 100 billion USD? No..you ignorant uneducated Pretender. How much was taken by the political elites and their family taken like Habibie and others. Then turn the other cheek and see how much did Miranda Goeltom splash! How much Burhannuddin splashed. How much the loss caused by the riot. That is where the money went. Those who loaned it from the bank all went up in flame. The current economic crisis in Indonesia were caused by the back log unpaid debts due to verious Institution throughout the world and on top of that the Government had to pick up the tab for your Abu. Do you know how big was that? See an aerial picture of that? Just because the gave an excuse by saying that the crack was caused by the earthquake and not the drilling, Cuky can work out the details for you.
Our superior Javanese multi-management skills allow us to control vast rabbles of middle-management lickspittles.
They are painfully aware of their utter worthlessness and need us and our nation far more than we need them.Go play and lickspittle a ball.
talking to you is useless…. you talking sh*tty about my parents, and you should know that whatever you said is showed that YOU ARE A RACIST yourself… shame on you… NOBODY WILL GIVE YOU HONOUR in this world…
Yes he is and when talking of honor he doesn’t even have that with his family let alone to the Indonesian majority that he tried so darn hard to defend. If he cannot come up with something in public, then what more to his family do you get me.
Indonesia after 1998 bankruptcy and all Chinese cukong involved in BLBI case was hiding in Singapore but our president happily assigned Mari Pangestu (Chinese) as a trade minister and right now our small industries batik have been starting to pay the price because of this Chinese minister policy. Recently, there is huge flooding batik import from china worth more than 200 billion rupiah/years but according to her this batik import will not cause problem to our batik industry. Because she is working to support China Batik industry and kill Indonesia batik industry….but no problem we are all happy because we are not racist people.
So when a certain industry fail due to faltering economy, Marie Pangetsu also gets the blame. Please don’t cry in the face of competition. If you cannot come up with comething competitive then you are not worth the sh*t let alone the Pretender say you Javanese CEO, CFO, FOS type of sh*t. Do you think the quality of Batik in Indonesia is of the most superior quality? Go ask people like the chinese convert Hj Lukminto of Solo.
My dear Indonesian brothers … becareful when someone like PN bring up racist attack to chinese indon it could be there are gigantic corruptions are underway … cover up story
Yeah even without his presence there already is. I will name you one Abu Rizal Bakrie, Miranda Goeltom, Burhannudin and many many in the DPR MPR. Sutanto is being replaced after 10 years by a new one so lets see what he can do to bring all those corruptors to justice.
Javanese is the least racist people in the world ? I may not pass my PHD thesis
I have a suggestion.. Write into Indonesian politic and most likely it will change the attitude of DOS on the country condition.
Don’t forget, we are waiting come 4th November 2008 when PN promise a larger scale of riot is about to take place.
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Dragonwall…
For the tird time today in a different thread you have got me by the short and curlies and have uncovered my deficiencies as a commentator and as a man.
You know Hercules of Tanah Abang? Or do you only know him from the papers and magazines? I find it interesting that you play golf with all these people yet on principle you would seem to despise many of them. I guess in your world the mighty Rupiah and Dollar are far more important than the principle.
PN is very active in the IM sphere. He comments on anything and everything and I would argue that he has an uncanny ability to piss most people off and I am not sure that he is really trying, in the sense that he is a natural at it. He got under your skin with ease and you have almost become his exclusive and personal little whipping boy! He reserves an odd rant or two for Andy but generally he is going head-to-head with you and whipping you (generally he has left AAB to deal with the other Anglo-Celt Ostrayans).
Nice try on the I am not going to go head-to-head with PN for reasons of counter intelligence. Yeah, right! You are not going to go head-to-hea because you have met your match and cannot keep up. If you are an ex officer and a trainer of counter intelligence forces then the chances are you already know who PN is. If I am not mistaken PN has a background in the Armed Forces of the RI.
The idea that some of your former trainees are in high positions sounds a bit like a threat to me. If you do not concede the argumet to me then I will call in the big guns, my buddies from the army to mess with your world and make your life a misery. You strike me as a name dropper and someone who relies on others to do the work. You continually big note yourself but there is nothing in what you post that could not be gleaned from the pages of any local rag or tabloid.
You really shoud write a novel. I would imagine it would be a best seller as you seem to have a really creative imagination. You could even perhaps make it autobiographical and call it “Dragonwall’s Indonesia”. If you cannot find a publisher, then there are other threads on IM that will tell you how you can self-publish.
You still did not answer the question about Putang iNang. Simply, you could just translate it into English for us with IQ’s that need fine tuning and for those that just do not speak Tagalog, Spanish, or Indonesian.
I think you missed the point on Obama and conspiracy theories and ultimate fate. Nevermind, it is usual for you to just read what you want or think is there rather than read what is there.
But as always enjoy your day. May your day job bring you much fame and fortune.
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LOL
That is a mighty slap on the head for a Cheena woman.
This girl Dragonball lacks the humility and sopan of Pribumis despite making his millions (his own claim) in our land. Her arrogance, deceit and contempt for anything pribumi is stereotypical of latter day Chinese fortune seeker in our land; and one of the main reason for pogrom. She has blood of her innocent Indon Chinese on her hand.
You should read up on a thread where she wanted me banned from IM. Hahaha ..
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My..my.. here comes the fourth.
You know Hercules of Tanah Abang? Or do you only know him from the papers and magazines? I find it interesting that you play golf with all these people yet on principle you would seem to despise many of them. I guess in your world the mighty Rupiah and Dollar are far more important than the principle.
Did I say I know Hercules? Did I say I palyed golf with them???? Did I missed that, to the extent that betrays my principle? Then why do I not continue to stay in Indonesia?
Any person can go to almost every blog and write what they want. None prohibit. I only go into those blogs that has something serious and has to do with anti chinese, riot, discrimination whereas some are for fun.
Just using a few bombastic words borrowed from the wikipedia will make you concede into a whipping rant. Good for you. No wonder they kept repeating lickspittle Whitey, can’t understand why.
I don’t and will not, but go in loggerhead word for word with …..
That was what I said. I will go head to head with him.. get it.
Like what I said there are things that I don’t think I should elaborate due to the risk factor and as for you, that is not my problem. Interpret what you like, my world will still continue to turn. It won’t stop because of you.
So by exposing yourself will make you God right..
Call in your big gun.. get the CIA and trace my IPs you will know where I am. Try and see if you can make my life miserable.
What do you know about politic..
I was thinking of that, writing a novel to retire.
Yeah right..right.. all about your conspiracy My Dick Tracy..kill them all theory..
So you want to know Putang iNang in Tagalog! It meant F_ _ k Your M*t**r and I hoped you get ready your guys and make my life miserable.
I don’t need fame but have the fortune and as for the day, it’s been nice, sunny and cooling.
I don’t know if I will wake up facing a gun totting in my face..
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See, PN…
I just tried to tell everyone that JAVANESE IS NOT RACIST….
I was born in Yogyakarta, grew in Javanese Culture… I see in reality that Javanese is an openminded people, peace lover, avoid to violence, hardworkers, tender, gentle, full of smile, patient, friendly…And in reality… there are so many Javanese married to another race and ethnic…
Even in Sampit, when there was a violence against Madura… Dayak people didn’t disturb Javanese people there at all… they said that Javanese, Minang, Melayu, Bugis, are not dangerous… Even my father and his friends from Yogya, Magelang, and Jakarta, were able to come over there in peace, met the kepala suku, stay there for one week, and back to Yogya with bringing some books and literatures about how the violence done… I have some copies also
Noone in Indonesia didn’t like have a Javanese neighbour… When they noticed that their new neighbour is Javanese, they will be happy… Javanese won’t make violence in their environment… Mikul Dhuwur Mendhem Jero…
But now… just because of your ego, “pingin menange dhewe, waton mangap waton njeplak, waton menang”…. YOU JUST MADE EVERYONE THOUGHT THAT JAVANESE IS THE LEAST RACIST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD and YOU ARE A RACIST YOURSELF…
you just got Javanese is dishonoured…
aduuh… ngisin-ngisini…but I just thought that you are not a real Javanese that way…
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Sorry Rob got to go..The only person left in my office.
Will continue tomorrow.
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Dragonwall….
I mingled with these people from both side up to the top echelon of political parties, played golf with these star spangled people, ministers. You would surprise. If you had read about the stories of how Prabowo was saved by Hercules of Tanah Abang you know how his troops that were stationed in Tim Tim and Irian returned just before the riots were being leashed into public the dark chapter in the history of the Indonesian 1998 riot.
The idea of mingling and playing golf with the top echelons means what? Perhaps you can explain that to me considering you have suggested in previous posts that I am need of some fine tuning on this front.
If you cast blame in a way that suggests that the upper echelons of the government and armed forces are complicit in the violence of May 1998, then I fail to see why you would play golf with them. I fail to see why you would mingle with them. On principle you should from behind your shroud of anonymity being calling them out by name.
Why don’t you stay in Indonesia and fight for justice for your Indonesian Chinese brothers and sisters? Your comments here always talk about how you made loads of money and presumably this meant you were living a fairly cushy life. Your reasons for going to the US are your own. I do not care one way or the other. Answer any questions I pose to you if you want to. If you don’t it is water of a duck’s back as far as I am concerned. You have contributed nothing positive to this thread other than a few choice swear words and curses.
My mistake on the head-to-head thing. Still doesn’t change that PN is wiping the floor with you. You are just not in the same league when it comes to insults and putdowns. This does not mean that I approve of or agree with what PN says. To the contrary, I cannot easily recall anything that PN has said to which I agree with or even find the slightest bit palatable. However, once again, and as an observation of the to and fro between you and he, he is wiping the floor with you (cleaning up if you get what I mean).
By posting under my real name says that I am prepared to argue for the things that I believe in, stand by what I say, admit mistakes when I make them, and that I have the strength of character to be challenged on the things for which I stand. There is nothing that I say here or elsewhere that I would not be prepared to defend either with my employers or in the courts.
I do not think you need to worry either because there is nothing much in any of your comments so far other than some fould language and this is unlikely to get you fired from a bank or a law firm or anywhere else. The mere fact of repeating that Prabowo knew Hercules is hardly a ground-shattering revelation.
I am not the one threatening to try and locate you IP or anything else. It is you that was talking about finding out who I am and then finding out how much I weigh. By looking at your posts, your life sounds pretty miserable already. I am not sure that I said I had any big guns to call in. You are the one suggesting that you are famous and well-connected, not me. I am just a whitey, a Murray carp, and an Anglo-Celt, all of which AAB feels he needs to call me. So, dragonball, I am not afraid of you or your idle threats.
What do I know of politics? Enough to get me through an argument with you.
Yeah, you should write a novel. “The World According to Dragonwall”!
If the reference to Dick Tracy relates to the conspiracy arguments and Obama. Once again you miss the point and are making no sense.
The putang inang thing I already understood. I just wanted to be sure that you were capable of saying it.
If you do not need fame or fortune then why not return to the Motherland and do some good for the people of Indonesia?
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Pakmantri says:
So you want to know Putang iNang in Tagalog! It meant F_ _ k Your M*t**r
Actually it is not what that mean,
Putang came from puta + ng, puta is a Spanish word.
Inang = mother. The complete phrase is “puta ng inang mo”, translate to “son of a bitch” or “your mama is a whore”.Please don’t use those words here!!
Peace.
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Lairedion says:
Halo Pakmantri,
Alles goed? You said:
Please don’t use those words here!!
Be prepared for some foul-mouthing from dragonwall as well. You had the nerve to correct his comment. 🙂
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@Lairedion:
Damang kang, pangestu na & thank you. How’s the Mediterranean sun treating you? 🙂
Be prepared for some foul-mouthing from dragonwall as well. You had …………
Aah, well what can you do . . . . . . . .???? 😀
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Call in your big gun.. get the CIA and trace my IPs you will know where I am. Try and see if you can make my life miserable.
Dragonball, use a proxy server. Whitey is jealous of successful Asian. I believe Rob is hacking into your server as I type.
You are dealing with a Mötley Crüe of uncultured English byproducts where decent conversation could turn violent. I drove past Spring street and I spied an Ocker in tank top and bandana (possibly Andy) hiding behind some shrubs in the Treasury Gardens ready to make life miserable for PN. I can imagine Rob in a one-piece swimsuit with pinky ballet tutu ready to strike the moment you reveal yourself. Stay safe, brother.
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Pakmantri…
Never fear the Dragonwall will be back during the daylight hours in the good ol’ US of A.
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Achmad Sudarsono says:
Seksi Mr. Robs,
Seski Mr. Patricks,
I hope you will both be my Special Internet Friend.
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AAB…
Not jealous of a successful Asian. You are so far off base it is almost funny. I am not jealous of Dragonwall or his success. Nope, not hacking into his server or anyone else’s for that matter. I am happy to admit that I do not have the knowledge or the skills for such.
The idea of tracking IPs was Dragonwall’s and not mine. It was in response to his idle threat about finding out who I was and then seeing how much I weigh. Perhaps AAB if you had followed that part of the interaction a little more closely you would have understood. But as usual you pick and choose.
Pink tutus are not my thing but thanks anyway. Nope, on the striking thing. Revealing who you are makes it easier to have a debate on the issues. Arguing under a pen name or as someone anonymous allow you to forget about the substance of the argument and then make aspersions such as people being wearers of pink tutus.
AAB, you call me an uncultured English byproduct, but it is you that is lacking the class and perhaps lacking the culture. It seems that your arguments cannot be made without trying to slander the opposition. You are the blog form of a schoolyard bully. When you do not get your way you revert to name calling and then if you lose on that front you threaten violence. Nah, you will have to do a little bit better than that son.
I am hardly offended being a byproduct or wearing a pink tutu. You rage against Australia and all her ills but you seem to prefer living there than you do in your own country of birth. If Australia is such an evil place why go there at all, why accept a scholarship to a nation that apparently and according to you despises the “brown man” if that is indeed where you were educated, I think the person with issues here is you AAB. You seem to be a really confused man who is not quite sure of your place in the world.
As I have said on many occasions you are but a one trick pony. Your defense against me is that I have a problem with the “brown man” being successful or that I have a problem with Asians, or that I am here in Indonesia because I am an outcast from my country of birth. Which are all wrong. But alas you believe what you want to believe about me and I will know what I know about me and we can both go our merry little ways.
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Pakmantri,
Sawang sulna, kang. The sun treated me good out there, kulit kuring kacida hideung pisan, euy. But now I’m back in rainy Holland, jadi bodas deui. I’m planning to settle there permanently next year April or something. Have to finish some business here. Málaga, Andalusia will be my new residence, such a marvellous city with a mixed Andalusian/modern culture and pleasant climate. Must put time in learning Spanish now.
Pakmantri, if you’re close drop me a message, you’re more than welcome. Of course all Indonesians at IM are welcome. My wife is an excellent cook, terutama masakan Sunda.
IM bules are also welcome, well not all of them. 🙂
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Uhmm..Yawn.. You still here Rob? Oh ya, by the way I clik and nothing happened. Just kidding..I can’t be bothered to clik on any other threads because I am only interested and concentrate what was said pertinent to the main topics.
At least I drew the quiet crowd into the limelight perhaps clapping to those like what AAB said….So…I had T…I…C…K… you off didn’t I …ha ha ha………
Liaredion
I suspect dragonwall is a frustrated person who blame everybody else for his failures. If he is that successful he claims to be why would he care about what PN and others say here?
Does that mean that only a frustrated person will care what PN says? I can pretend nothing happened and continue to be an observer.. It is because that I am successful and that he may be not, therefore I feel the need to tell this burgler off. Don’t you think Indonesia had many of these people running around…”Sombong..Merajalela..Membela mati-matian bahwa apa yang salah itu benar?’ and
His comments are based on swearing, foul-mouthing and name-calling and now we can add physical threat to that
I kind of like to foul mouth these people GFN MF and as for threat.. you mean thread! Which part did I threatened him? So
PN’s style is not my style. He’s rude to anybody, also fellow Indonesians, a habit usually attributed to loud-mouth Brits and their descendants. In past comments he called me a Dutch traitor and a liar express aggressive emotions and anger. But sometimes I can see his sense of humour.
You are right about this point with his random potshot.
I enjoy reading comments from fish like you.
Right, it is fish like me that will swims freely unless I choose not to.
Are you suggesting I am an anti-Chinese blogger
Except with some self conviction, if not why are you sighing, whinning and ranting about me? If not why are you not concentrating and behave like an anti-Chinese blogger or are you one of them?
The idea of tracking IPs was Dragonwall’s and not mine. It was in response to his idle threat about finding out who I was and then seeing how much I weigh.
You mentioned “threat”, where? You were the one that was asking me to expose myself, put my nice picture for you to envy. Judging by your photographs, you are most likely short, balding that you claimed is 92 ki. Well I stand almost 6 feet tall, medium built and weigh around 85 ki.
No wonder they called you a Motley Crue of uncultured English byproducts. And as for the word weigh, I ought to mean how much you know, got it. Not because you weigh a tonne of obesity.
And you said to “concede to you, otherwise you are going to bring in..blah..blah and make my life miserable”. Is that a mistake, did I say wrongly, so is that my threat?You are dealing with a Mötley Crüe of uncultured English byproducts where decent conversation could turn violent
And you said I was angry, desperate, frustrated..my..my…Rob…come on look yourself into the mirror and tell yourself you didn’t say that!
Was I bothered in knowing or finding out who you are.
The idea of mingling and playing golf with the top echelons means what?
I played golf with those in the 80’s. Back then there were no such things as riot. Did I mentioned that I had mingling with those traitors like Wiranto, Prabowo etc..I was aware that he is close to a friend who owns a restaurant at Cideng..I havenever been part of them.If you cast blame in a way that suggests that the upper echelons of the government and armed forces are complicit in the violence of May 1998,
Right yes I did and that was after May 1998. And, do I need to bring in the history book to tell you who did that or the main choreographers who orchestrated the coup that led to the riot? That is public secret. Are you able to know that a person is going to behave ten years later?
On principle you should from behind your shroud of anonymity being calling them out by name.
Right, I did that all these while and so now you are beginning to speak our language and not the Anglo Celtic Ostrayan.
AndWhy don’t you stay in Indonesia and fight for justice for your Indonesian Chinese brothers and sisters?
Hmm..hmm.. you must be “pikun” considering your late 40s look. Can’t a person fight for justice anywhere! Has it got to be in Indonesia? I started the thread “Sue The Dutch” and made request for Yusril Ihza Mahendra to be prosecuted for his criminal involvements. So you expect me to carry everyone’s misery on my shoulder. I can only offer a little consolation, what have you done so far?
Your comments here always talk about how you made loads of money and presumably this meant you were living a fairly cushy life. Your reasons for going to the US are your own
And these has to be obviously mine for keeps,
You are just not in the same league when it comes to insults and putdowns.
For this I think you might be a better person to do that, so are those like AS, AAB, and many other towards people whom they called Anglo Celtic Motley Crue who were part of the uncultured British byproducts.
Still doesn’t change that PN is wiping the floor
You could continue to tell him to do so, and I will continue to foul mouth him, perhaps to your liking, in a more diplomatic way.ha ha ha……….
To the contrary, I cannot easily recall anything that PN has said to which I agree with or even find the slightest bit palatable
So you have every right to blame him for spoiling your last meal. No one is stopping you! Perhaps down with a Lager will make you feel better.
By posting under my real name says that I am prepared to argue for the things that I believe in, stand by what I say,
That is why I said you are Rob The Great..and you should understand that both ways..
The mere fact of repeating that Prabowo knew Hercules is hardly a ground-shattering revelation
And did I say “you should read the story…” What I am implying is you failed to understand.
When Hercules save Probowo from his near eunuch dilemma, H was given a certain priviledge and when you see in the riot there were many many people from all directions leading the riot, did you observe people who had the military haircut and built? What does that imply? Were they mobilized into taking part of it when Prabowo and Wiranto were struggling for the top post?
Honestly speaking, if you were to be present at that time of the riot then most likely you will be suffering from a post traumatic shock that could most likely save you some money on reducing your weight.this is unlikely to get you fired from a bank or a law firm or anywhere else
Very unlikely, I am in a law firm as for finance I work on a case to case basis and not with a bank now.
By looking at your posts, your life sounds pretty miserable already
Hmmm..hmmm for what?
I am not sure that I said I had any big guns to call in.
So when you say to concede to me..blah..blah.. and make my life miserable meant what?
You are the one suggesting that you are famous and well-connected,
Did I say I was famous? Read my lip.. I said I may be successful but I don’t need the fame. Cek and recek. Like what PN says all errors are intentional..
not me. I am just a whitey, a Murray carp, and an Anglo-Celt,
Do you think I care who you are?
all of which AAB feels he needs to call me.
Absolutely no doubt after considering what you are doing and saying you are not an anti-Chinese blogger, the way you came down on me squabbling and arguing.. You are not the type where your presence is much desired.
So, dragonball, I am not afraid of you or your idle threats.
Once again, did I threaten you? I repeated what you say, so I asked you to get you CIA crap to come pounding my door so that they could tot a gun in my face for pissing you off.
But anyway I woke up this morning, went to court and returned around 11.30 am and you know I know you stay up whole night waiting for my reply. Otherwise the thought of being miserable is hard.What do I know of politics? Enough to get me through an argument with you.
And you kept repeating about arguments? Reading, writing and what your knowledge have brought you to this day does not necessarily implies that you know about politics in Indonesia. Only those people who were in Indonesia long enough is able to understand how these political morons are comtemplating.
For example. In the late 80’s, one day before the devaluation, everyone of us already knew the rupiahs is going to be devaluated from 500 to 1000 to a dollar.
Who will win the contract in the timber concession. How Abdulrahman Wahid’s project awarded being “serobot” by Tutut, Tommy and the sister of Ginandjar Kartasasmita. How the Summa project went down that brought down Edward Soeradjaya and the Astra Group. You know politics?
I am name dropping so you are what, poop dropping?Yeah, you should write a novel. “The World According to Dragonwall”!
Very likely and not the name because it is a legal entity, a business chain.
If you do not need fame or fortune then why not return to the Motherland and do some good for the people of Indonesia?
That is why I said you are late….I have the fortune but I don’t need the fame..though my children were born in Indonesia she is not my motherland.. and good for Indonesia?
I had a water project where I bought a RO machine for close to 11,000 hoping to turn sea water into potable water to the outlying islands.
What have you done so far?
Don’t tell me something you don’t know and pass it off as though you were an authority to that.Yeah Papua is the last place you are visiting and you can say you have been to everywhere? Right total darkness..
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One thing..
You might have seen the US Financial Crisis not only are they unable to save themselves, they have affected numerous countries especially in the east. Most of all one after another they are starting to collapse to some worthless piece of officially registered paper.
Scavenging banks on a feverish run trying to buy out one another at the lowest possible price. Why?
If those banks succeded in those corporate take over, do you know what is the outcome? To the extent that bank will go on to sue one another even if they failed in their take over bid. Why..
Two years ago I made the statement that the bubble on the US economy will burst somewhere around 2012 but not to my surpise, it came much more earlier than I expected.
So can you imagine what is the cause?
What will the Treasury do?
What will be the outcome in the near future of the US economy?
What steps will Indonesia be taking to save their economy.
Let me just say this, Indonesia will NOT BE ABLE TO RECOVER in the face of US faltering economy, neither will the Rupiahs strengthen. You know why?
You might need the opinion of DoOs the young economist or Sputjam the individual businessman.
So as to demonstrate to PN that what he considered as simple mathematics, can do a lot to save Indonesia’s economy. And it was the complicated mind boggling Actuary that cover up their track of corruptions in the BI that for the third time the Indonesia economy will continue to spiral downward bringing Indonesia even further into the red.
Don’t believe? Want to wait for another two years for the outcome? Perhaps you may have your banker friends whom you want them to be brought into the IM?
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Mets says:
@ Dragonwall – wow… when you want to a prove a point you certainly go for it..doesnt mean I agree with you…but sorry what was the main point of your dissertation aka argument lol!!
@ Achmad – totally feeling the love !!
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janma says:
You were the one that was asking me to expose myself,
Now that’s a teaser if ever i’ve seen one! where’s the link?
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Patrick…
Nice to see you have taken up the Gravatar challenge…I am sure that when the alter ego AKA Achmad returns to the fold he will be commenting on how sexy you are and enquiring as to whether you want to be his “special friend”.
Dragonwall…
You make way to many assumptions about how armed forces personnel will behave once they have had weapons training. In any event PN might just be the exception to your rule. He might just be the one person who behaves in the way you think armed forces personnel wouldn’t.
It is interesting that you label PN the Great Pretender because there is nothing much in what you have said either in terms of empirical research or factual support for your claims. Facts are like statistics in many ways they can be interpreted to provide a certain picture or only the facts that support you position can be used to give the impression of authority. PN generally goes the second route by presenting the facts of one side of the argument and trying to convince us that this is the only argument.
I would have thought that you might have sort to present the alternative side, or the flip-side of the coin, in your current ding-dong draw ’em out battle of words with PN. Unfortunatley, you haven’t but instead have resorted to idle threats (as evidenced on another IM thread).
Putang iNang is what for the benefit of those who do not speak Filipino?