I Love Islam
Dec 12th, 2006, in Opinion, by PatungWhat Islam is and why people love it.
In the discussion on Alfarini Eridani Agnes says, likely as a self-defensive reflex against the “cloud” which Islam may have been put under by the polygamy issue, always a difficult issue for Muslim women to deal with:
I LOVE ISLAM!!!!!
Loving a religion? A certain type of Christian might say “I love God” or “I love Jesus” but “I love Christianity” is a far less commonly heard thing. Google says:
Results 1 – 10 of about 775 for “I love Christianity”.
While for the other:
Results 1 – 10 of about 19,000 for “I love Islam”.
Note these results are in English, which is the language of Christianity for many but not of Islam, for most.
Understanding why the expression “I love Islam” exists can tell us much about the nature of Islam and may enable us to understand a lot of what is happening in our world today, from the rise of Islamic militancy and terrorism, to cartoon rage, to the increasing tendency of Muslims to mark themselves off from others by the way of their dress, among many other things.
First we need to know what is the thing that is loved. It is evidently not God, or else Agnes would have likely said so. What is loved, which means what Islam is, is a way of living, a lifestyle, an identity, a history, a tradition, a sense of belonging to a worldwide community, a community which is highly fractured and prone to bitter internal conflicts, yes, but one which nevertheless deeply yearns for the unity of the “ummah”.
Those who criticise Islam would do well to note this. Quoting evil sounding verses from the Quran is a largely useless effort, since it does not address what draws people to Islam, or keeps them attached to it, it does not deal directly with Islam’s strengths, which are many.
The problem we are faced with today, or that Muslims are faced with, is that their way of life, which is one way of saying their religion, and then, logically, even themselves, is under enormous pressure. Cultures and peoples do not survive for ever, weaker ones are annilihated by the stronger, and while this has happened since the beginning of history it is today that the process of destruction of traditional cultures goes on at a frenetic pace, due to new technologies and what people usually call globalization.
The future is in Los Angeles, and Shanghai, it is not in any Islamic “capital”. The traditional way of life, which is to say, again, the religion, of hundreds of millions of Muslims will unlikely survive the great upheaval of modern times, the sorting out of winners and losers, the grim battle for economic survival. Not long from now, if it isn’t happening already, children in the middle east will briefly turn away from the video game they are playing to cast a disdainful eye on the photos of their peculiarly dressed grandparents. Islamic terrorism, the Taliban, the tendency of Muslims to accentuate the differences between themselves and others, are all different kinds of reactions against this destruction, desperate protests, desperate attempts to survive.
Which brings us back to loving Islam. Love can be displayed in many different ways and it can be at its most intense when we fear that the object of our affection will leave us or be taken away, and the biggest, most powerful stars burn brightest when they are dying.
125 Comments on “I Love Islam”
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Barry Prima says:
No you don’t, your the one who poked your nose in in the first place, so just carry on attacking everyone else with your usual dogma.
Youre the one who asked me a question ,silly man and as far as i know this is an open forum,if you dont like people poking their nose in make your own forum where you can continue to rant and rave without a challenge and without the need to cite any evidence.
with your usual dogma.
Making sweeping generalisations and dogma is your forte…not mine…i am able to rationalise why i hold a point of view unlike you.
Further as you cant seem to follow sequences such as b comes after a , if you look back you will see i dont attack others,esp not with dogma, i only respond to attacks against the beliefs of my people.Schemerly: From the evidence so far you are undobutedly the least educated man ever on IM
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schmerly says:
@Barry Prima.. Is the “Prima” bit short for Prima donna? as you seem to think a lot of yourself with your self opinionated rants, personally I find your ramblings rather yawn inducing, so normally I don’t bother to read your reams of bumptious diatribe, as they don’t have any real depth.
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@BP..
From the evidence so far you are undobutedly the least educated man ever on IM
BP a little bit of education for you, “undobutedly” is spelled “undoubtedly” I rest my case.
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Achmad Sudarsono says:
Ibu/Bpk Schmerlys Yth.,
Just checking in to see how your studies of
The Pancasila
Are going.
Drs. A. Sudarsono.
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funny says:
it’s never about the religion…..
it’s the people.
simple.
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BP a little bit of education for you, “undobutedly” is spelled “undoubtedly” I rest my case.
Guilty as charged, my disregard for the rules of spelling are well known to patung and the other posters on IM.You might be the least intellignet on Im, but i am properbly and unashamedly the worst speller.At least patung ive learnt to use the quotes button at last.
(please feel free to correct any spelling errors in that statemtn too Schemerly, correcting others spelling errors might be the only way you are able to contribute positively to im)
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DumadiSatrio says:
@Barry Prima: “Well just ignore them..there are lots who dont ”
Yes, exactly. We are on the same page.
If what the scholar/prophet/guru ect. says contradicts my sense of morality and reason, I know to ignore them. That would go back to my earlier quote by Al-Rawandi.
We both do the same thing, only I do it more often and completely.
Early when I spoke of sin coming from submitting our reason and morality to others, I am speaking of the other extreme. Take a taliban fundamentalist. He completely submits his morality to the teachings of his mullah. This mullah takes hadiths and quran and puts together a case where all music (except nasheeds) is haram.
Therefor any muslim who sells/makes/listens to music is an infidel. Then he makes the case that all apostates must be killed, the man then goes and kills the other man for playing guitar.
Did he stop and think about this? Did he search his heart for the correct answer, or did he put all his trust in a learned scholar who speak sacred languages (btw, why did you not put Javanese on the list?).
Now, I ask you. Would you kill the guitar playing man? Why not?
I could find you many scholars of Fiqh who will show you many reasons to stone someone to death, If I brought someone before you who had commited adultery, would you stone them?Ok, maybe that is too extreme, let me lower it.
I could bring you a fatwa telling that women are forbidden from leaving their homes, without a male relative escort.
Do you allow your wife to leave her home without a male relative escorting her and her wearing a burka?
If the answer is yes, why?Why would you question some fatwas and not question others? Why would you ignore some scholars?
What causes you to question certain rulings?The answer is your compassion, true morality, and reason.
The man who has submitted himself to dogma does not question rulings, he has lost his golden compass and that is why he will follow orders, even if they contradict his true morality.
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Lairedion says:
BP,
Have you ever heard of spell checkers?
DumadiSatrio,
Thanks for your comment, one of the best I’ve read so far here on IM.
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@ BP..
(please feel free to correct any spelling errors in that statemtn too Schemerly, correcting others spelling errors might be the only way you are able to contribute positively to im)
Well it’s nice to know I’m contributing something, unlike yourself.
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@ Assmad..
Just checking in to see how your studies of
The Pancasila
Are going.
Yes I bought a book about it, however I’ve torn the pages out of the book and they are now hanging on a nail in my toilet, as this was the only use I could find for it.
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Oigal says:
know about religion/theology/metaphysics.
ah yes the unholy trinity of human ignorance..
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It’s gone a bit quiet since the Oigal boot went in LoL!!!
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diego says:
@schmerly,
Why do you seem to hate pancasila? Are you with dragie on this matter? Please don’t say “yes”.
Pancasila is waayyy better than those semitic mumbo jumbos, don’t you think?
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@schmerly: It is my hope that the next time you are on the toilet you use the opportunity to read and expand your knowledge….since they are so convieniently located and all.
However, You do seem abrasive, very confrontational about it. What’s up?
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diego.. I’m just a bit sick of the numpty club members i.e. AS, AAB and Cukie, using the Pancasila as an excuse not to answer questions, just rattling on with the same old rhetoric and going round in circles, read their posts.
FYI I don’t hate Pancasila per se.
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@ DumadiSatrio..
It is my hope that the next time you are on the toilet you use the opportunity to read and expand your knowledge….since they are so convieniently located and all.
Let me expand your knowledge, what I do in my own bog is none of your business.
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Well, you shouldn’t put them in the same bin. Here’s a tip:
(1) Ignore Cukie – PKS, enough said.
(2) Listen to AAB – el tiene toda la razon.
(3) Worship AS – he’s our mediator to the aliens. -
Aluang Anak Bayang says:
@ schmerly [sic]
.. I’m just a bit sick of the numpty club members i.e. AS, AAB and Cukie, …
Could it be that we:
1) are Moslems?
2) have brown skin?
3) checkmated Whiteys everytime in debates?
4) are not afraid to tell Whiteys to behave?
5) speak and write better than Whiteys?
6) All of the above? -
schmerly,
How does that feel, being caught running around in circles? You’re taking comments way too serious. The only person truly displaying the spirit of Pancasila here on IM is Pakmantri, unfortunately he hasn’t been around for some time.
All others are just playing their part here in this great wayang theater under the guidance of Patung, the great dalang, where nothing is what it seems to be.
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diego….
Ignore Cukie – PKS, enough said.
Difficult, he’s a stalker.
Listen to AAB – el tiene toda la razon.
Speak English.
Worship AS – he’s our mediator to the aliens.
I didn’t realise you were a comedian.
Lairedion..
How does that feel, being caught running around in circles?
Yea that’ll be the day.
AAB..
Could it be that we:
1) are Moslems?Your the brainwashedone, not me.
2) have brown skin?
Your inferiority complex is showing again.
3) checkmated Whiteys everytime in debates?
I’ve yet to see that happen.
4) are not afraid to tell Whiteys to behave?
You could learn a lot from whiteys if you weren’t so brainwashedand narrow minded, read the Pantatcilla.
5) speak and write better than Whiteys?
That’s not going to happen in your lifetime.
Lairedion..
The only person truly displaying the spirit of Pancasila here on IM is Pakmantri, unfortunately he hasn’t been around for some time.
He’s probably fed up with the fatuous drivel spouted by the numpty club members.
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ET says:
AAB
Could it be that we:
1) are Moslems?
…Did you convert? Or revert?
Or are you simply a Muslim for reasons of convenience. Like so may Javanese.I remember you differently.
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ET..
Or are you simply a Muslim for reasons of convenience. Like so may Javanese
Yea more like a covert Muslim.
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sarah says:
hi.i am muslim too.but,when i was 14 years old,i still wanna find the truth.it was a hard time for me.i started to think.why this and that religion exist?why they believe on god?why?why?and WHY????when i was 15,i know the truth.but…very sad…i still didnt do solah.i started my solah when i was 16..that was on 2006.luckily,i am still alive till today.hope i’ll die in islam.in my sight,islaM is the perfect religion,perfect lifestyle,perfect in EVERYTHING!!!!when we eat,go to bed,go to toilet,go outside,play with u friends,…it is all in islam!!!!
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islaM is the perfect religion,perfect lifestyle,perfect in EVERYTHING!!!!when we eat,go to bed,go to toilet,go outside,play with u friends,…it is all in islam!!!!
Islam is indeed perfect. The perfect program to make you into a perfect robot.
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Sigve says:
I have live temporary with a muslim woman,and a plan to convert- but something STOP ME!!
She say one day she “hate me” maybe for “fun.
HMM
But this give me something to think about.
It get me to think.Islam people have NOT raised up with love.( where in the Quran stand love? ) tell me the sura.. ? I have not found it!
They teach girl to respect the man,they will be married with..force them in marriage!Not with love.. but respect other decision!
This is deep! But true!My XGirlfriend need to accept it..One day,here dougther say : mum do you love me?
I know she have learn it in the School/ kidsgarden. Wauw.. the mother look at me,and wonder,of course she say “yes” but.She understand what I thought now…
She become afraid I will teach here dougther about love and jesus..that is the reason she dont want us to continue..and she want me to go.I still love here,and can forgive here.. I am afraid she will be a single lady in the future,cause she are afraid!They call it respect.. not love.
Jesus teach us to love…and God love the world.. Jesus love us…we shall love each other ..and many place in the bilble is love the fundation.
Where in the Quran stand the word love ?
We know how to love people,cause we have been raised up with it..we have it in the blood.( not all people do it,but we know! )So all my Muslim friend,its true!
I can tell you I love you and I can forgive you,cause I have learn it form Jesus.Sincerely
sigve -
I love Islam too. I’ll so be blogging about this.
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jeanette says:
I love islam it is a beatuiful religion, and it is pure and the follower are sincere, I live in the states and I am prior military and love my religion, its not good to bad mouth religions if you have nothing good to say “don’t say it”
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payang says:
i love islam..
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Barfly says:
Why all discuss this theme with such an isistence ? If i´m totally save in my believe, in my religion and i´m sure, that i will go to paradise and the others will go to hell, i would lay back, watch them with a kindly smile and the totally belief that in the end i will have a better future as them. Just like the mature old man, that observe little kids… 😉 I would never push others to my religion, but i would talk to the “Infidels”, to explain my religion. They must decide by themselves, if the will go the same way. If not: Their own fault… 😉
But if i have secret doubts of my conviction, then i would react agressive on every bad or pejorative statement against my religion, because these statements would increase my doubts…. And i would keep me stay away as far as i can from other religions, because they are dangerous for me…
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@BP..
No you don’t, your the one who poked your nose in in the first place, so just carry on attacking everyone else with your usual dogma.