Agnes Monica & Allah Peduli
Mar 16th, 2009, in Celebrities, News, by Patung
Agnes Monica annoys Malaysians for unusual reasons, with her new hit song Allah Peduli.
The province of Selangor in Malaysia has banned pop singer Agnes Monica’s latest tune “Allah Peduli” (God Cares) because of its use of the term “Allah” to refer to the Christian God, possibly including Jesus Christ/Jesus of Nazareth/the prophet Isa.
Mohamad Adzib Mohd Isa, the head of the Religious Court in Selangor, says the song must not be played or sung anywhere in the province. Non-Muslims who say “Allah” to refer to their god(s) are subject to a 1,000 ringgit (about $300) penalty, he says. antara
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There has been a long-running dispute in Malaysia as to whether non-Muslims, particularly Christians, are permitted to say “Allah” for “God”. The dispute began when authorities objected to the Catholic daily the Herald using the word, with this case currently going through the courts.
Meanwhile, the offensive song, Allah Peduli by Agnes Monica:
255 Comments on “Agnes Monica & Allah Peduli”
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Mike Oxblack says:
If you think it will procreate idiotic babies, Cuk recommended condom.
Unquote.Still don’t get it do you. The prohibition is innate in most people and evolved. As for the few who want to do it…where’s your sense of morality?…I wouldn’t have taken you for a social Darwinist…Culture AAB…there are children involved…is nobody innocent?..not that that would stop a person of faith “Oh Lord keep me strong…”, Consenting ADULTS is one thing you see….
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Lairedion says:
Mas DumadiSatrio,
schmerly has been angry ever since he start commenting here on IM for no apparent reason….
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schmerly says:
@ Lairedion… Stop being such an old women yeah!!!
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diego says:
I got the feeling AAB is here to play the devil’s advocate role, in order to keep this forum from degenerating to somekind of circle-jerk among bules….
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DS.. Simple, he’s a MORON OK!!
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DumadiSatrio says:
Lairedion: I noticed, but there must be more to it.
Perhaps a long painful story; involving a desa girl, a misunderstanding, and angry father, lingering resentment….something like that? -
schmerly,
Why don’t you try to channel your anger into something more positive (for yourself)? Kickboxing class maybe? You can show us your skill in the offline meeting among IM’ers (e.g.: kick some asses, literally).
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@ Cukie…
@ Cukie.. Instead of rattling on, answer my two questions yeah! or are you once again going to hide behind your mothers skirt as soon as your confronted.
When are you going to speak??
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schmerly,
It’s woman (singular) in stead of women (plural). Learn the lingo, yeah!
Sheez, do we have to teach the bules how to write proper English? Yeah!
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andrey says:
Mike: do you understand what the word “condom” means? are you Catholic?
DumadiSatrio:
First cousin marriage is halal under islamic law, so you will find it in any muslim country. including Indonesia, although frequency might vary due to cultural reason.In the Qur’an, there is a detailed list of people who you can not marry. It is not even open to interpretation because it is written in very clear terms . As every muslim agree that what is inside the Qur’an is not open to revision, and the community vigilantly do enforce restriction against deviations (you need a government license to print a Qur’an, and in Indonesia, you will go to jail for printing an incorrect Qur’an, in Afghanistan you might lose your head), this rule will not change for ever. So when someone someday start veering toward legalisation of incest for some reason, everybody else will know that it is wrong, and bring them to the right path.
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@ diego.. Well there’s a turn up for the books!!
Why don’t you try to channel your anger into something more positive (for yourself)?
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! who are you??
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@ Lairedion .. OK bodoh, how’s ibu2 OK?
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@ diego.. Well there’s a turn up for the books!!
Why don’t you try to channel your anger into something more positive (for yourself)?
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! who are you??
Your conscience :D.
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@ diego .. I think it’s time for you to Join the Numpty Club, where I’m sure you’ll be appreciated.
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@Andray:
But, just because First cousin marriage is halal under islamic law, does that make it acceptable? Should countries that currently make first cousin marriage illegal, lift that ban? Can you justify support for First cousin marriage in any way other than saying it is halal? If first cousin marriage is found unhealthy, for the offspring (the prince Charles ears again), should it then still be halal?
The point being that as we progress as people, we learn new things. Therefor, is using islamic law as the basis for everything really a good idea? And can we say that “taboos not change forever”?
As an example, Technically slavery is halal, however, nobody would say that slavery is acceptable.
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Burung Koel says:
Mas Cukurungan is saying that the Taboo against incest is the reason that people find it gross. That without the social and religious taboos people would find nothing disgusting about having sex with their mother. Any instinctive reaction of it being disgusting, is a result of the taboo.
Mas Burung Koel is saying that the taboo developed from the fact that it was naturally gross to us. He uses the fact that pheromones play an important role in our sexual attractions.
Just to clarify – I understood exactly what Cukie was saying. It was, however, explained to him by a number of different people (including me) that the incest taboo predates the emergence of religion, and is a result of human evolutionary processes. Cukie couldn’t see this, and was trying to link anyone who is a non-believer with promotion or encouragement of incest. This is an example of a false dichotomy, and he just wasn’t getting it.
Also, I didn’t raise the issue of pheromones.
And as for the ‘psychological’ argument, human psychology is a product of hundreds of thousands of years of evolution, of having to survive in small groups. The incest taboo is part of that.
Cukie’s anger, his focus on the details of incest, and his inability to understand that non-religious people can be moral and ethical (see the earlier part of the thread) suggested to me that he might not be entirely stable. I am not saying this is the case here, but it is wise to be cautious when speaking about issues of sexual abuse, as victims of it are everywhere, and it is often hidden.
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my apologies, didnt mean to misread
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Cukurungan says:
Cukie’s anger, his focus on the details of incest, and his inability to understand that non-religious people can be moral and ethical (see the earlier part of the thread) suggested to me that he might not be entirely stable. I am not saying this is the case here, but it is wise to be cautious when speaking about issues of sexual abuse, as victims of it are everywhere, and it is often hidden.
I do not understand why when the brown man is talking about the truth in the most honest way…hence…sudently…barrage word…and swearing …such as hate, anger, panic…oh my gun…Let me clarify if you are feel ashamed to answer it just do not replay full stop….ok….I do not pointing the gun to all you….I am fully honor free speech forum.
What I was trying to do is just to test how high the legion logical morality could fly againts the simple question from the humble dukun like me.
What I was asking is the ground of your logical reason, not nature instinct and taboo and detraction topic. You claimed you self as the champion of the logical reasoning hence prove it to me…what is your logical reason not doing the incest…because …in the western world there are so many internet provider who encouraging the incest (just for fun) I remember one of their wording something like that : If you have a dream either with your son or you daughter or your mother in law do not be shy here the way …hahahaha…
If you accuse me that I am liar check your self in the google…..again….do not be shy hahaha
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An explanation is probably due:
Sorry for being a prude, but I don’t find incest particularly amusing. My ex-wife was a victim of incest as a child, and it took years of counselling and therapy before she could even function as a reasonably normal adult. She is still working through it, but it has affected her life in a most profound and horrible way.
Her support mechanisms included a network of other survivors of incest and child abuse, many of whom I got to know well. I was astounded at the number of these survivors who came from families of clergymen, or from families who were otherwise religious, and how many of the perpetrators of child abuse took advantage of this religious belief, and used their positions for the ‘power’ over children it gave them.
So don’t tell me that being religious somehow makes you more moral, or more ethical, or a better person.
/gets off soapbox.
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Exactly, the logical reason Mr. Cukie is the moral prohibition against child abuse, which is basically what we’re talking about with incest, and the ensuing mental dysfunction that usually manifests. This is a secular prohibition, many of faith don’t seem to have the same ethics on this issue. Incidentally Freud is a far superior moralist than the 2000 year old texts of monotheism.
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@ Cuckie.. The way keep harping on in your posts about incest, anyone would think you have a dark secret to hide! I really believe you may have dabbled!
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@ Cuckie.. The way keep harping on in your posts about incest, anyone would think you have a dark secret to hide! I really believe you may have dabbled!
Shagging the mother-in-law doesn’t count.
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ET says:
andrey
if we all agree that some taboo should not change forever, we should base it on something that dont change: God’s law.
Whose god? Which god? It seems there are a lot of them around, all with there own set of laws and taboos. And on top of it all these laws and taboos are circumstantial, even the incest taboo. If we have to believe your holly books then our earliest ancesters would have had to commit incest in order to be able to procreate. The same with Islam’s polygamy laws. In principle polygamy was rejected but because of the many war widows it became permissible. So where is your unchangeable law of god?
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hantu coklat says:
have never came across the word Allah before in any bible that i’ve encountered…its simply YHWH…
I dont think the word Allah is in the original copy of the bible either. The word Allah only appears in the translated one @ indonesian version to be precise. Or perhaps also in the Arabic version. never in my life have i met christians that mention Allah whenever they refer to “God”. It was and always JESUS.
Instead of criticizing, kindly make some research on Islam, christianity as well as hebrew and arabic language first. I do believe that most of us whom are giving responses here couldnt care less even to read the Quran/bible itself. If we do, it will at least give us some insights.
Why is that the original word Allah is not even available in the original bible (being new or old testament), taking into account that the Quran was revealed subsequent to it? Only the Quran uses the word Allah in its original form, as well as the translated versions. Not to mention that arabic language was not the mother tongue of Jesus either. It was HEBREW.
After the demise of Jesus, the teachings had spread to all over the world. Hence, the need of translated version of the bible. Whatever translations it may be, the concern is the “root”. Where is the consistency if only the Arabs, and the Indonesians are those who uses the word Allah? This debate even, should refer to the original bible itself, and not the translated ones.
lets debate based on facts and on grounds of knowledge rather than emotions and word of mouth. Thank you.
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Well, mr. Hantu, for starters, Jesus’ mother tongue was Aramaic, not Hebrew.
What an useless discussion. Allah, God, Yahweh, Ra, Big Manitou. Do the god-freaks have nothing better to do than dragging the whole world into their silly arguments?
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The way keep harping on in your posts about incest, anyone would think you have a dark secret to hide! I really believe you may have dabbled!
Cukurungan is on record, more than a few times, as being devoted to lonely widows, I believe, (shameless plug, – I was recently contacted out of the blue by a woman here who I strongly suspect as being a lonely widow, here, sign up now 😉 ) so let’s have none of this personalising things in a very negative way….what I think Cuk was getting at, which is something that conservative philosophers and moralists often do in the west, is that if all you have are utilitarian reasons for objecting to something then that is not enough, eg Freud’s reasoning for the taboo on incest was, I think, that primitive societies would tear themselves to pieces in a jealousy inspired fratricidal bloodbath if incest were allowed….then there’s the scientific-evolutionary argument, like it causes genetic disorders…..both of these are quite inadequate I think because it is possible to solve the problem, in the first example, we’re not primitive anymore, or the second example, as Cuk said – contraception, then your utilitarian objection is undercut. So I think there has got to be an absolute reason for the taboo on incest, but without religion where do absolutes come from, isn’t it all relative? Just throwing that out there.
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Pak Patung Yth,
My concern is not baseless because here we go:
http://www.articlebrain.com/Article/Incest-Sex-Statistics-in-America/6134
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/03/21/international/i075855D27.DTL
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absolute reason for the taboo on incest,
Interestingly, the taboo is not absolute, as the discussion above with andrey illustrates.
but without religion where do absolutes come from, isn’t it all relative?
The problem with this hypothesis is that it does not then explain why it crosses over though different religions and cultures. It also does not explain the non religious having the same taboo (and even more so in cases when looking at the 1st cousin issue).You would then ask, why do certain taboos exist for things that were never mentioned in any religious text or by any prophet?
That is why the reasons are more complex than either just biologically utilitarian or just religious.
The reasons are psychological, and as such are built on a complex social evolution.Basically, the family unit naturally creates a certain kind of relationship between its members. Injecting a sexual relationship into that, runs completely contrary. This has an effect on how we develope such taboos.
We can even see this on a smaller scale
For instance, you may have a friend who has a friend who is a female which the two grew up together, and you ask them “Hay, she’s hot, you dating her?” and he responds “Yuk, no way, she’s like my sister”As the way we view these relationships becomes more ingrained, the more severe the psychological impact is on us, to the point that they define our morality.
The greater the impact, the greater the tabooOn a side note:
Ancient Greek story of Oedipus (8th century BC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oedipus -
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@ MO..
I haven’t heard that one before, but there again I lead a sheltered life!! LoL!!