Territorial Claims & Rights

Apr 11th, 2008, in History, by

Dewaratugedeanom asks what gives countries the rights to make territorial claims.

Some time ago I posted a comment under the thread “Fitna by Geert Wilders” concerning the question of territorial rights.

Although there were no reactions to this particular comment, the number of times the issue has come up as well as the intensity of the claims from some commentators in this forum, make it in my opinion worth to devote a separate topic to it. The more so because it bears significant relevance to Indonesia’s own history.

The question is:

What gives people the right to claim a territory as their own, considering the fact that the history of mankind on this planet has been one of constant migration? And how and to what extent does one define territory? Does it include everything beneath the surface and if so to what depth? Does it include the space above it as well as the clouds floating by? Does it include all wildlife, sedentary as well as trekking?

Is the right to claim a territory based on

  • the mere fact of being born in a particular place?
  • having cultivated the place to provide shelter, livelihood and culture and to what extent?
  • the ability to secure and defend the place against transgressors?
  • historical claims because forefathers have been dwelling there?

Any other criteria?


34 Comments on “Territorial Claims & Rights”

  1. Lairedion says:

    Bullsh*t.
    Lareidon you are an ignoramus and a moron

    These comments by “Asulo” have been forwarded to Badan Intel Negara for further investigation.

    😆 😆 😆 😆

    Purbo Negara, welcome back.

    If you ditch your Islam and live up to Buddhism, Shaivism or Vaishnavism (the real Majapahitan religions) maybe I consider you for a position as a low-life pegawai negeri in the next Majapahit.

  2. kinch says:

    Speaking of different flora/fauna – google ‘Wallace Line’ people, it’s something everybody should know about… and given that the Wallace Line runs through the Lombok strait, it’s something many of us have actually seen both sides of – without necessarily putting two and two together – but then Wallace was the man 🙂

  3. janma says:

    apparently some pretty good mushies grow on the ‘other side’ of the wallace line.

  4. dewaratugedeanom says:

    On both sides, if you ask me.

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