Dual Nationality
Nov 22nd, 2006, in News, by PatungChildren born of mixed Indonesian and foreign parentage can now obtain dual nationality.
As one of the first examples of the implementation of the new citizenship law, on the 21st of November in Jakarta the Law and Human Rights minister, Hamid Awaluddin, officiated at the granting of dual nationality papers (SK Kewarganegaraan Indonesia) to thirteen children of mixed Indonesian/foreign parentage, at the Mandarin Oriental hotel on Jalan M.H. Thamrin.
Hamid Awaluddin, with some budding sinetron stars.
Hamid explained that parents who wish to apply for Indonesian citizenship for their children need to prepare photocopies of birth certificates, marriage certificate, and KTP. Then they fill in an application form at the immigration office, and it is said that the application process takes six weeks. Oddly, the fees are not yet determined. L6
Once the papers have been granted a passport may be applied for, however Hamid said that Indonesian passports granted to dual nationality children would contain a special code. antara
Children granted dual citizenship, later, at the age of 18, have three years to decide whether they wish to become “full” Indonesian citizens, and renounce their foreign citizenship, or the other way round. Previously, under the old law, nationality was deemed to always derive from the paternal side.
Correction, 28th Nov.
Once the papers have been granted a passport may be applied for, however Hamid said that Indonesian passports granted to dual nationality children would contain a special code.
This is wrong, my mistake. Once the SK Kewarganegaraan Indonesia has been issued it can be used to apply for an Indonesian passport. In the meantime, or while one is waiting for the passport to be issued, foreign passports will be given a special stamp to show that the child is an Indonesian citizen.
Those who wish to apply for a SK Kewarganegaraan Indonesia for their child should go to the immigration section of the Departemen Hukum dan Hak Asasi Manusia, see here for addresses of their offices – http://www.depkumham.go.id/xdepkumhamweb/xkanwil/daftarkanwil.htm.
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March 1st 2007.
Hamid Awaluddin in Batam yesterday claimed that 300 applicants for citizenship had already been processed, 90% of these being foreigners who had married an Indonesian. At an event in Batam Hamid granted citizenship papers to 5 year old Jane Edward, who had once almost been deported because her foreign father had left his Indonesian wife, Dewi Chyntia. indosiar
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March 27th 2007.
In Surabaya, East Java, Justice and Human Rights Minister Hamid Awaluddin handed over Indonesian citizenship decrees to 36 Indonesians of foreign descent on the 27th. The citizenship decrees were given to 36 children of Indonesian mothers but with fathers coming from various places such as Germany, the Sudan, the Netherlands, Britain, Switzerland, India, Australia, and Bangladesh.
House of Representatives member Murdaya Poo, Chinese Indonesian businessman Chandra Srijaya and chairman of the Chinese Indonesian Society (PSMTI) HM Jos Soetomo also attended the function.
Today, we mix those different backgrounds into one entity called Indonesia. The different backgrounds came from different ethnic descents which used to have the impression that they were separated, but today we are eliminating the impression by uniting them.
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March 29th 2007.
Hamid Awaludin says that since the promulgation of the new law on citizenship in 2006 700 children of mixed parents have been granted Indonesian nationality.
Hamid said that even those children of mixed parentage that were born overseas were entitled to Indonesian citizenship. He said dozens of applications for such children had already been received, the most recent one coming from Cuba. These applications were processed normally, he said, provided accompanying documentation was complete. republika
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April 10th 2007.
Hamid Awaludin visited Banten and gave letters of citizenship to 42 children of mixed parentage.
Sudarmanto, the head of the Banten department of justice and human rights, said that all parents who had children of mixed parentage could now submit applications for dual citizenship. He said the process took one month. antara
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April 29th 2007.
Speaking in Surabaya on the 28th Hamid Awaluddin threatened to imprison officials who attempted to thwart the realisation of the new law on nationality. He said that there was to no longer be any discussion of pribumi and non-pribumi, all were Indonesians.
Officials from the centre down to the regions must not play around. If they deliberately try to make it difficult for people to obtain Indonesian citizenship then they will be sent to jail.
He also added that the law had greatly helped Indonesian women married to foreigners who previously could be chased down by immigration officials attempting to deport their children back to the father’s country. detik
132 Comments on “Dual Nationality”
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purba negoro says:
Andy-
Your stories are complete nonsense.
CORRECT AND LEGAL Australian passport requires an awful lot of documentation too- I should know as I helped translate for Australian Embassy official for friends who married Indonesian men and women.
Luckily for them I know good legal advice in both Australia and Indonesia- so their navigation of Australian bureaucracy and legal system is LEGAL, successful and their passport or VISA not based on lies or forged documentation.If your wife or you have used any funny documentation especially acquired by bribery used as support for her passport- Australian government can and will revoke it- and there is the danger the Indonesian State will not recognise any Indonesian passport based upon this bribed documentary data, so I suggest you get your paperwork water-tight.
Yes it is a hassle- but so is life- not everything gets handed on a plate and spoonfed to wet-nurse craving mummy-boy like you Andy
I have helped many expats negotiate the bureaucratic system with no bribes, no underhand money, no commissions.
Only law-breakers NEED to bribe authority to avoid their prison or to expedite procude for THEIR CONVENIENCE.
The law is very clear.
Indeed it is very detailed and demanding- but many thousands of expats successfully and legally negotiate it every year- without the alleged bribes you lie aboutDXP- you’re obviously an Indonesian Chinese. “Thanks God” gave you away.
DXP the Chinese correct bureaucratic procedure is even worse- far lengthier and of course frequent opportunity to bribe underpaid official exists in China- and there is plenty of evidence to support this.For Correct Chinese procedure- passport must be surrendered to Embassy for up to Three Months while Chinese Foreign Intel Service ascertain you are not spy, agitator or other Western parasite before visiting.
Strange- I also have not needed to bribe Chinese official- although I had been warned even by the Chinese Embassy Staff it may happen.
It would appear the rule is only those with very marginal reasons or most undesirable persons for visit/entry/exit must pay to avoid jail.
Both the Australian and Chinese embassies, along with every European nation visited: Italian, German, Dutch and British all required my Surat Keluarga Baik.
Maybe only those with a very dirty family name need to worry or complain?
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zulaikah says:
Hi..I would like to know how to settle my problem anyone can help me… in 2007 I was married a singaporean in civil married firstly because we were different religious secondly easier to complete the document. On that time I thought to my self well is ok next time can re married again in indonesia in KUA and now then I know that I have to register to KANTOR CATATAN SIPIL about our marriage. This things gave me headache, until now I did not register my status yet to kantor catatan sipil bcos my family did not know about this married, purposely I keep it as a secret so next time can remarried again in muslim way or KUA when my husband ready to be a muslim, now seem that he is ready to become a muslim so I want to married in KUA with my family around but I do not know how to settle this matter whether I should say out that we were already married before or just keep it a secret…and how about the married certificate in singapore will it give me big problem because already over 12 months I did not register to KANTOR CATATAN SIPIL….What are the document need to married in KUA and what shall I do now……………………please help me…
I am referring to my question before. Now we are planning to have baby which is why we want to know exactly how to settle my problem to make sure will be no problem in future.
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Fransisca says:
Hello, I just heard from a distant friend that the Indonesian government is allowing dual citizenships. I am Indonesian, with a greencard in the US. I am married (going on 14 yrs now) to an American and have 5 kids together. I want to know if it’s possible for me to have dual citizenships. If so, what do I do? Please advise. Thank you.
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Cyntha says:
Okay I am now totally confused….please tell me how I should do this
My children were born in the USA and have USA passports but their father is Indonesian so they also have Indoensian passports, now how do I go back to the USA for a visit (3 weeks) with them they are 23, 21, 18 and 14 years old. Is this the correct way going thru Singapore1. Leave Indonesia show the ticket counter their US passport but when we get to fiscal and immigration show their Indonesian passport.
2. Arrive in Singapore we go out of the airport or at least go through immigration and show their Indonesian Passport
3. Leaving Singapore the next day we use their US passport but won\’t they look for their immigration stamp that they came in on?
4. Arrive in USA show their US passport
5 Leave the USA show their Indo and US passport because they won\’t care
6. Arrive in Singpore show their US passport
7. Leave singapore show their INDO passport\’
8. Arrive in Indonesia show their INDO passport that will then show they were in Singapore for 3 weeks…..is this right?Please help….thanks
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Lia Ong says:
zulaikah Says:
October 22nd, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Hi..I would like to know how to settle my problem anyone can help me… in 2007 I was married a singaporean in civil married firstly because we were different religious secondly easier to complete the document. On that time I thought to my self well is ok next time can re married again in indonesia in KUA and now then I know that I have to register to KANTOR CATATAN SIPIL about our marriage. This things gave me headache, until now I did not register my status yet to kantor catatan sipil bcos my family did not know about this married, purposely I keep it as a secret so next time can remarried again in muslim way or KUA when my husband ready to be a muslim, now seem that he is ready to become a muslim so I want to married in KUA with my family around but I do not know how to settle this matter whether I should say out that we were already married before or just keep it a secret…and how about the married certificate in singapore will it give me big problem because already over 12 months I did not register to KANTOR CATATAN SIPIL….What are the document need to married in KUA and what shall I do now……………………please help me…
I am referring to my question before. Now we are planning to have baby which is why we want to know exactly how to settle my problem to make sure will be no problem in future.
Hi Zulaikah, I am an Indonesian and now I am married to a Singaporean. My husband and I decided to get married here first as it will be easier for us to complete the document just like you, but what I did after we get our marriage certificate is to go to Indonesian Embassy to legalize the marriage certificate( I’ve got to pay $38 for that ).
Then I have to submit my Marriage Certificate to KANTOR CATATAN SIPIL within a year, dated from the day I submitted to the Embassy and everything settled at kampung 😉 -
esther says:
Hello,I am british and my husband is Indonesian, we live in the uk and have two children which were born in the UK.
For the length of their first passport which had a ‘right of abode’ stamp in it we never had any problems entering or leaving Indonesia. Since renewing the kids passports we have been cought up in a difficult situation because regulations have changed in the UK and the Home Office will not issure right of abode stamps if you also have a British passport. This seems rather unfair since the UK allows dual nationality, this regulation seems to stand in the way of people that could otherwise have two passports. Anyway, until a couple of years ago we got around this by showing the current Indonesian passport and the previous one with the ‘right of abode’ stamp in it and that still worked but on our last trip back to Indonesia we had a problem at the airport in Bali where they did not want to let our children leave the country by saying that their airline would pay a large fine if the kids were refused entry back into the UK. eventualy they let us go but I wouldnt want to go through that experience again.
The problem I have now is that this year I intend to go with the kids to live in Indonesia for a year but I am dreading when time comes for us to return to the UK. We have been told that the kids need a right of abode stamp in their current passport which is a problem because the UK will no longer grant one if you already have a british passport.
Please, I would be most grateful if someone could give me advice on this. Many thanks,
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HARRITA KUMARI says:
I am 19yrs old having a indonesian passport i stay with my mother in India from the time when i was 1 month old, I wish to apply for dual passport as i have to apply for MS
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lina says:
I got married to an Indonesian man and our son was born in china. Holding Chinese passport. Right now our kid already got the dual citizenship (the white card from immigration). But not yet apply for Indonesian passport. My question is that: this kind of white card can prove his citizenship? He can enter and leave Indonesian with this card without any visa and permit? How can I apply for his Indonesian passport ? How can I change his name to muslin name? Thanks.
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julia pears says:
I am indonesian who got married to a singaporean, now I am holding a PR in singapore. August next year my passport will be expired. My question are…can I renew passport in singapore and what are the document need? Since I am holding a PR I want to get free fiscal,what are the document need ? Thanks.
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Hi Lia Ong, My problem is not as simple as yours.Firstly i did not go to Embassy to legalize my married until one year later.I was married on 1 february 2007 then i went to legalize to Embassy on 8 july 2008 which mean is already over one year and the most confusing was they endorst on my fotocopy of married certificate and it say
“Telah di lihat di KBRI dengan keterangan bahwa KBRI tidak bertanggung jawab atas isi dokument” What does it mean that endorsment…..until now iam still very confused,which is why i did not take the document to Kantor Catatan Sipil to endorst my married certificate. In the otherside i want to re-married in kampung in muslim ceremony.This problem really giving a headache…..anyone can help…. -
kivany says:
Hi, I am a naturalized Canadian citizen. I am still holding a valid Indonesian passport, although it is due to expire mid next year. When possible, I still would like to keep the Indonesian passport alive, but of course, I can’t renew this in the consulate/KBRI, as I am no longer in possession of the resident card since the naturalization. It seems the only option is to have it renewed in Indonesia. Has anyone here had this kind of experience before? Any potential issues that I need to know in the immigration office in Indonesia?
Thanks
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Jingga says:
Kivany, that’s really tricky. I’m interested to hear what others have been doing.
As you know, Indonesia doesn’t allow multiple-citizenship so the KBRI will definitely cancel your passport if they find out you have been naturalized as Canadian. Renewing your passport in Indonesia might be possible (you’ll have to do it in the immigration office near Cengkareng, because your permanent address is abroad). They don’t ask for your proof of residency status. In theory, you can renew in KBRI as well (they don’t ask for PR card, at least here in DC), but you’ll end up perjuring yourself as you would incorrectly state that you are a PR on the renewal form.
But the trickiest part is, how are you going to enter and leave Indonesia? What are you going to show to the 1) airline agent in Cengkareng and 2) the immigration officer. For 1), to proof that you’ll be allowed to enter Canada, you’ll have to show your Canadian passport. For 2), to proof that you are in Indonesia legally, you’ll have to show your Indonesian passport (you can’t apply for a visa in Canada with your Canadian passport, as that would be asking the KBRI to cancel your Indonesian passport).
If only Indonesia would give a “Person of Indonesian-Origin Status” special status (non-citizenship) for people like you, and allow people with that status to enter/live in Indonesia like a regular citizens minus the right to vote and become government employee, things would be so much easier and it would benefit Indonesia economically as well.
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Jingga,
Thanks for responding. I see your point. Having lived in USA for many years, I have learned the difference of renewing Indonesian passport in KBRI/consulate between USA and Canada. For student/working or other non-permanent-resident visa status, certainly, they would not ask to see the original green card/PR card. It is the same in Canada. However, in Canada, once you claimed as a permanent resident (or they had seen your prior immigrant visa stamp in your passport), they would ask to see the *original* PR card for passport renewal. (Photocopy alone is not sufficient). I don’t believe this is the case in USA from my own personal experience. In USA, they would still renew your passport based on company working cover letter (for example, if you claimed as H1B status holder, you didn’t have to have the actual H1B stamp in Indonesian passport. This was possible when you changed your status from F1 to H1B). Of course, they would still ask for your green card if you claimed as a green card holder. I am not sure why the Indonesian consulates in USA was less stricter in this renewal matter than the ones in Canada, however, as I was told, that this was partly due to the fact of many illegal/visa overstayers in USA. This was many years before though, so I am not sure how passport renewals for non-green-card holders are being done in consulates in USA. One thing for sure, I personally know some Indonesian-origin US citizens still holding valid Indonesian passport, renewed from the consulates. No idea how they did it. I did a research of Indonesia passport renewal in New Zealand. If you had lived in NZ as PR for many years, I know the Indonesian consulate in NZ would even request you to produce an affidavit from justice of peace (or immigration) that you had not become NZ citizen. Not sure about Australia, but I am sure they would still require sort of proof that you were still holding permanent resident status, and not the citizen of the country.
As for leaving and entering Indonesia, just like what the other poster suggested in this matter: 1. Always enter and leave using Indonesian passport. 2. Always fly thru visa-free countries (such as Singapore or HK) and spend at least a night, so you will have to re-check in your luggages again the next day for flight to USA/Canada. This way the airline check-in counter agent in Indonesian airport would not have to ask for your status in USA/Canada.
I tend to agree with the notion of ‘people of Indonesian-Origin status’. It is so unfortunate that Indonesia currently doesn’t allow dual citizenship. There are couple win-win alternatives that could be beneficial to Indonesia economically like what you said. I am sure there are many ex-Indonesian who still has deep attachment to Indonesia due to family, their place of birth/grow-up, etc. Indonesia could, for instance, set up a law which allow dual citizenship, as long as they pay taxes (worldwide income taxes, details to be worked out), or at the very least, set up a new visa scheme allowing foreigners to retire such as in Malaysia with some restriction. (i think called ‘Malaysia is my second home’ sort of.)
So, finally, one would ask this ‘Since you still have deep attachment or care/love Indonesia so much, why did you take foreign citizenship at the first place, therefore, now going thru this hassles?’ For me, it is about practicality. While others may think having western passport (US, Canada, Australiza, NZ, UK or other European) means becoming part of the first-world countries, entitled to visa-free travel access to western countries, I on the other hand, don’t think that as the primary reason. First, the term of ‘green card’ in USA or PR (permanent resident), be it in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, or any other European countries, contrary to what its term suggest (permanent), doesn’t literally mean that way. It is ‘permanent’ as long as you live in the country. I could be wrong, however, to the best of my recollection, there is not a single country in this world (at least for USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand) would let you keep the permanent resident status if you, in most cases, fail to fulfill the residency obligation such as spending most of the time outside country in a given period. There are some exceptions, of course, but this is generally speaking. Suppose you were a green card holder in USA, the US Custom Border Protection (CBP) officer may ask you how long you had been away from the country. Once they determine that you didn’t actually live in the country, in most cases, I would say, they would simply take away your green card on the spot. Becoming citizen on the other hand, you are no longer bound by the residency obligation. You could be away from the country 10, 20, or 30 years, and you could still come back as citizen with all its full privellege. Of course, as citizen as the country (USA/Canada), you would still be required to declare truthfully your worldwide income taxes annually.
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Odinius says:
kivany said:
I tend to agree with the notion of ‘people of Indonesian-Origin status’. It is so unfortunate that Indonesia currently doesn’t allow dual citizenship. There are couple win-win alternatives that could be beneficial to Indonesia economically like what you said. I am sure there are many ex-Indonesian who still has deep attachment to Indonesia due to family, their place of birth/grow-up, etc. Indonesia could, for instance, set up a law which allow dual citizenship, as long as they pay taxes (worldwide income taxes, details to be worked out), or at the very least, set up a new visa scheme allowing foreigners to retire such as in Malaysia with some restriction. (i think called ‘Malaysia is my second home’ sort of.)
It just doesn’t make economic sense to hold out against dual citizenship. Countries that allow it see spikes in terms of investment from individuals that actually care about the homeland, as well as effective lobbying organizations in influential countries. That’s nothing but good for Indonesia.
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Dorothy Mae says:
Hi, I’m a Filipino citizen married to an Indonesian man (married in Phils). I gave birth to our son in Indonesia as I am holding a tourist visa for the meantime. Since baby can have dual citizenship, can you pls advise how to proceed? What are the papers needed, etc… This is a great news, because we no longer need to pay visa extentions wherever he wish to study, in case.
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Budi says:
9/6/07: Hi Jingga, your tricks of keeping two passports sounds too good to be true. How did you get around the issues noted by Jim?
18/8/07: Hi Jim, you’ve raised some good points there. Maybe you can enter Ind using your Aussie passport and then get a new Ind passport while you are there? From the previous postings, it sounds like one can buy a new passport easily. Anyway, please keep us posted on how you go.
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Hi, a lot of the discussions were about the pros of dual citizenship. How about the cons such as military services and limited consular assistance. Could the forum share information about this? Thanks.
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Charlie says:
Jingga,
I got a few questions for you, if you could help me with the info.
I am married to an Australian husband and I just got my Australian citizenship few months ago. I am still holding an Indonesia Passport which going to expire in few more weeks. And I just found out about the dual citizenship law when I applied a visit visa for my kids for travel to Indonesia. I would like to apply the Indonesian Passport for them so it would be easier for them to travel back and forth.
My questions are:
1. Would I still be eligible to apply for them? Keep in mind that when they born I was not apply to any other country citizenship. My kids was born after year 2006.
2. The requirement that I found from KBRI was that they only need both parents passport and it has to be one Indonesian Passport. Should I renew my passport before it expired? Will that be possible to renew even after the passport has expired coz I am going to travelling to Indonesia in short time soon?
3. Should I renew my passport in Australia or in Indonesia?
4. Is there any info you could tell me in regards of this matter.Thanks again.
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Nita Rj says:
Hi, could anyone shed some info about leaving indonesia with Indonesian Passport to- Singapore – Australia. First Q, entering Australia require a visa, so if stop in S’pore using Indonesian Passport (without Australian Visa) will there be any problem exit S’pore to Australia? Will they want to check my visa? Second Q, Should I swap to my Australia passport entering S’pore? Will this be a problem of entry to S’pore as my Australian passport would not have any Indonesia exit stamped.
Thank you.
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Johanna says:
The new citizenship law allowing dual nationality to children of mixed marriages was a great step and a huge thanks is given to the ladies who made that possible… But why limit dual nationality to 18? What about the mixed children who were born 20 or 30 years ago to a foreign father? Yes, there are a large number of us out there, born in Indonesia, still living in Indonesia, many married to Indonesian men… Yet we are still required to have a KITAS or KITAP sponsored by either a spouse or a company.
Those sponsored by a spouse are not allowed to legally hold a job while those who are unmarried must be sponsored by a company and must also pay an additional $1200 a year for a working permit. Since companies are only willing to go through all that hassle for foreigners hired overseas, the “Indos” belonging in the latter category are royally screwed.
Yes, becoming WNI would be the most logical course of action… If only they didn’t make it so difficult and expensive for us.
Don’t we deserve to hold both nationalities as well? So, for the ladies who advocated dual nationality for children of mixed marriages, why not take it to the next step and aim to abolish the age limit of 18 years? The new law may currently ease the burden for your children, but what happens later?
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ria says:
it would be great if indonesian can have dual passport,not just the children im sick of paper work to get visa to go to other country.i live in new zealand now for 16 years.but every time i want to go to australia i need to get visa because i still hold indonesian passport
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Aaron says:
So what happens if our child was born in the USA.
My wife gets our child dual citizenship while she is visiting Indonesia.
Lets say the relationship goes bad in the future.
If my wife were to take our child to Indonesia with her what rights would
I have as the father?Additional Information:
Our marriage is recognized in both countries.
In the USA my wife signed a prenup stating that child custody would be handled by third party arbitration if it arises but I don’t think the prenup would have validity in Indonesia. Or would it? -
bob hope says:
I think your wife could take your children to indonesia with her if your marriage broke up and i think she could keep them there and indoinesia would protect them as , as the father you have to write a letter stateing it is ok to give indonesian citizenship to your child, this probably waves your rights, your pre-nu wouldnt be valid in indonesia unless you had it legalised which can be done by any notery for about $1, any deal can be validated by a notery, along the lines of how forgeiners buy property in indonesia through a indonesian friend who agrees they wont sell it without your permission, but as they have a american father when they grow up they might have automatic ability to enter the usa because of there american dad, dont do it unless you want to protect any investments made in indonesia,
Then again Aron, right now you love you wife, stop thinking what if, but this, love your wife for the moment and it may never happen
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Sorry I don’t agree with that logic. I always plan for the worst and hope for the best. Thanks for the information though. I will continue to always love my family. I don’t want to ever have to be in a position like this though.
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Anthy of Bali says:
Hi JINGGA,
How very kind of you to share all these info… My question is; Have you tried traveling directly without lay-over to country needing visa (say, Japan), WITHOUT applying for Japanese visa? Thanks.
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Irwan says:
I used to be an Indonesian Citizen and Decided to giving up my Indo passport and take Australian Citizenship . What’s the point u having Indo passport anyway ?
Australian passport gives u access to most countries in the world without any problem.
When I was travelling to Singapore with Indonesian passport and I had my Australian permanent resident attached in my Indo passport the Singapore immigration department still asked me where were me heading to ?? where am i staying ?? How long will I be staying there for ?
So my advice if u can hold ur “NEW CITIZEN” passport and ur happy over there
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Ina says:
What happens if the parents are late in applying for indo citizenship for the child. I didn’t know that it expires on 1st august 2010. Any advice?
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eva says:
dear Jingga, I wish and hope you can help me please
I am indonesian citizen and I got married in the U.S. My husband is a U.S citizen. i gave birth to all my three kids here in the U.S
my question: would I be able to apply a Indonesian citizenship for my children with their father consent?
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salim raza says:
hi to all my name is salim raza and i am from pakistan and i am in love with a indonesian girl but i am so confused because many people have told me that i can apply through culture visa for indonesia but that culture visa will be only for 60 days and i can’t change my visa for more stay for there even i wanna apply for the indonesian citizenship and i wanna open my business of flood fish in subang, so is there anyone who can give me a good information about such information which i wanna pointed now
(!) how i will marry there with indonesian girl?
(2)can i apply for the citizenship of indonesia?
(3)what are the rules to open a business there ?
please if some one wanna help me then give me the contact number so i can contact with him through phone, plz help me for my these infromation,
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Andy,
You pride yourself on being unracist or balanced yet you always jumped on EVERY opportunity to bash Indonesia/ns. In all your comments one could see that you despise Indonesia/ns except your indo wife.
Does it ever occur to you that comparing a developing country like Indonesia to a developed country such as Australia is like comparing apple to orange? If you compare Australia to the G8 or other industrialized countries, you would see that Australia’s report doesn’t look good either.
OECD report on education in Australia up to 2006, concluded that Australia ranked second last when compared to other OECD countries when it comes to public expenditure, direct public expenditure on public institutions, schools and TAFE colleges.
The OECD report also shows that the highest wage for Australian teachers is significantly lower than in most other developed nations, despite teachers here working longer hours and having bigger classes.
Also, Australia is behind other industrialized countries in terms of communication technology with 2007 report found that Australia’s broadband was among the world’s most expensive and among the slowest.
And Australia is well behind other G8 in terms of tackling climate change too.
Sure that there are many good things about Australia but if you want to be picky with a tendency towards negativity, you can easily find bad stuffs about Australia.
So be fair!
Also, please don’t think that you know a lot about Indonesia/ns. My experience hanging out with expats in Indo told me that bules who live there for a decade or more know Indonesia well but those who live there only for short term (1, 2, 3, 4 years or so) know only to whinge almost about everything there while enjoying cheap living cost, boorish lifestyle and holidays in five-star resorts that they can’t afford in their own country.
If you lived in Jakarta, chances are you’d meet many ethnicity but do you know them well? I don’t think so. You claimed that North Sumatra has taken syariah as their law, the last time I spoke to my mom (which was last week) it’s still a democratic province.
If you know much about indo law, you should know that drug trafficking is not tolerated at all, doesn’t matter how much you got in your hand and that the killer of the aussie woman has got the longest sentence he could get within indo law. Not perfect but so is Aussie law.
Conclusively, you don’t know much about multifaceted Indonesia.
Re indo passport, my eldest son was born before the law was implemented yet we had no problem in getting him indo passport. And yes, my bule husband lodged the application, paid the official fee and got helped by the passport officer in filling in the form. No problem, no bribe!
He also travels frequently to Indonesia on business trips by himself and NEVER bribed the custom officer there to go through and ALWAYS paid the official visa fee. He prepared his travel documents well before he got there, made sure that he filled in the form correctly. He searched the KJRI website to get information on what to prepare to travel to Indo before he flew in. NEVER EVER he got a problem with indo custom officer.
So really mate, you just need to do your homework!
My advice: Do your research before spreading your baseless accusations here & please keep your bitterness to yourself, mate!