Chinese Uighurs & Xinjiang Province Riots
Jul 16th, 2009, in News, by Patung
Islamic solidarity with the people of Xinjiang, or not, condemning, and getting along with China.
Genocide
Din Syamsuddin, leader of Muhammadiyah, but speaking in his role as the head of the “World Islamic Peoples’ Leadership” (WIPL) said on 12th July that the ongoing violence in the Chinese province of Xinjiang represented ethnic and religious cleansing, genocide, and a crime against humanity.
Din implored the Chinese government to cease its attacks on the Muslim Uighur people in Xinjiang and give them freedom of religion, and encouraged the United Nations to impose sanctions on the country.
Din Syamsuddin
Finally he urged all Muslims to pray for the Uighurs and give any help possible. detik
Tifatul Sembiring
Chinese in Indonesia
On 15th July the president of the Justice Party/Partai Keadilan Sejahtera (PKS) Tifatul Sembiring paid a visit to the Chinese embassy in Jakarta, wanting to get first hand information about events in the Xinjiang capital Urumqi. He warned Chinese officials that those responsible for violence in the city needed to be dealt with – failure to do so might have implications for Chinese citizens resident in Indonesia: antara
Don’t allow this to cause problems for Chinese people in Indonesia.
One China
Meanwhile Indonesia’s ambassador to China, Sudrajat, said that Xinjiang was an internal Chinese affair, that Indonesia respected China’s sovereignty and would not interfere, and implicitly that Indonesia felt no special sense of Muslim brotherhood with the Uighur people.
Demonstration
Indonesia had always upheld the One China Policy in respect of Xinjiang, and also Tibet and Taiwan, and Sudrajat was confident the Chinese authorities could handle any problems within the framework of Chinese law. republika
Meanwhile an Associated Press report notes that most Muslim majority nations have kept silent over the Xinjiang riots issue, for fear of damaging trade ties with China, with the exceptions of Iran and Turkey. ap
48 Comments on “Chinese Uighurs & Xinjiang Province Riots”
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dragonwall says:
Since 60 years we, Uyghur people are fighting with these Chinese communists. Since 60 years we are expecting support from the Islam world. but the first time, few country have supported our cause. at least for us organized demonstrations.
You said that your people were fighting with the Chinese communists!
You were among one of the minority group in China and you know that and shall I say that the uprising of beating up the Chinese is because you wanted to have the state converted into an Islamic state!
Can you tell me what rights have you got since you are in China? Don’t forget that you are not in a region or no mans land. All these while you were under the Chinese rule. Just because you ahve been given the rights to your belief, and with the influence of outside, you beat up innocent Chinese and claimed that you are fighting the Chinese communist!
I would like to ly a bet with you. Even if you have the support of any Islamic country you will still be Chinese and you will not be able to have what you think you are able to.
So I suppose you are going to go around with bombs strapped around your waist and start bombing everyone, and then when retaliation actions were taken you said that you have been persecuted!
Don’t misunderstand when you speak you need to make sense. If it was not part of the Chinese state and the Chinese government had forcefully taken over your state then you could say you are fighting the Chinese communist. Like perhaps what was going on in the Middle east.
Tell us the reason why your people are beating up innocent Chinese, destroying their properties and other destructive acion?
If you cannot answer the question, then you are unfit to express your concern over the Indonesia Matters blog.
Show the world something concrete that there is your cause for fighting the Chinese communist. Or perhaps you feel that China belongs to you. You are so fortunate that the Chinese government did not go around doing the ethnic cleansing like what the Indonesian Government were doing in the past.
And don’t you think visitnng your webstie will be a waste of time.
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I think someone has to play the role of “bombastism-buster” here. My attempt:
DW burped:
ethnic cleansing like what the Indonesian Government were doing in the past.
Yawn…, that sounds like a candidate for bombastism of the day.
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Honestly speaking I wonder if you people knows what you are talking and doing. I have read reports that people going around using needles or syringe to attack people and think that is right.
Do you people feel that you are creating terror among those staying in the region?
I find that the Chinese government have been very lenient in taking such an action to suppress the uprisings and the on going activities.
The Dalai Lama wants something for himself, not because of the religion or for Tibet. He wanted to be like the Pope. It has nothing to do with religion but with people.
Similarly with Xinjiang it has nothing to do with the state but the influence and thinking because you feel you should be under the Chinese rule.
If I were the one to take the action, then I have to feel so sorry for you people that you won’t even stand the slightest chance.
You have heard that the Indonesian Government had the Petrus and that was mostly aimed at hard core criminals and they were supposedly activated against those political activists. What they had used against the former could be acceptable but they had overdone it to the latter.
According to report thousand were missing overnight and that is something the Chinese Government should do. Like the Indonesians to G30S PKI. Can you imagine the scale.
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memtimintursun says:
What do you know about Uyghur people?
look like you are a brand washed person by chinese. we are Uyghurs, we don’t belong to china and the communist party has occupied our land in 1949. we are not chinese and we are a turkic people, we belong to central asian nation groups.
East Turkistan is our land. chinese people came to our land in 1949 and changed the name to Xinjiang. they are forcefully occupied our land. the name of Xinjiang means a new territory, new border or new land. that is the truth and history. how do you trying to change the truth?
In July 5th, innocent Uyghur people started doing a peaceful demonstration against your chinese government’s dictator rules. however chinese government started open fire and killing those innocent Uyghur protesters. so then they also started doing whatever what they could.
chinese government doesn’t allow us to have our national education, national language, national culture, national tradition and the Islam religion. they don’t allow us to go to mosque and have a believe in Allah.
now answer my question: why your government have killed more than 1500 innocent Uyghurs in July this year and still missing more than 10,000 Uyghurs? where they are?
first you have to good research the truth and then talk here.
If you are not the admin of Indonesia Matters, do not try tell me that unfit to express my concern over the Indonesia Matters blog. Indonesia Matters is Indonesian website and you do not have any right to telling me fit or not.
right now you are visiting the Indonesian Matters website and talking me like that. probably after few years you will tell us that Indonesia is your land or Indonesia belongs to china?
you said visiting my website is wasting time. that is exactly shows your image. you don’t like reading, researching, learning and just talking about your communist party’s politics here.
Shame on china!
the picture has shown the reality of china.
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Well to me it is the case of ‘everybody loves playing victim’. Please understand: dragie’s role here is the voice of the victimized chinese all over the world, especially indonesia. Please take it with a light heart. It serves for entertainment purposes. Shantiamenshalom.
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Your should rephrase that as most Chinese in Indonesia were actually victims being victimized by
1. The Dutch
2. The CIA
3. The Indonesian Government
4. The Indonesian Police
5. The Indonesian ABRI
6. Most Department and Government Officials
7. The Muslim religious cleric
8. The PribumiThis Indonesia blog is for people to express how they could resolve these problems but you are one that says because of the “tiny eruption” and that resolves the Chinese hate, discrimination and persecution problems.
The Chines Indonesians who had migrated to Indonesia long time ago and the latter born Chinese Indonesians have for a long time assimilated into Indonesia with the exception that the Indonesians and the Government refused to acknowledge of their existence there someone out there had to create a riot during their power struggle in order to officially carried out their ethnic cleansing.
Why, after the G30 SPKI incident, nothing of this sort happened during the New Order. Why it happened.
And as for memtimintursun you must been a reporter of Muslim descent. I hope to clarify with you in a moment.
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First I am a Chinese but not from China and not from Indonesia so that you know.
secondly I am nopt easily brainwash by the Chinese Government nor the Indonesian Government.
And when you said
What do you know about Uyghur people?
Everyone in the world know that Uighurs are Chinese Muslim in China’s Xinjiang Province.
we are Uyghurs, we don’t belong to china
Then why are you there? In xinjiang.
and the communist party has occupied our land in 1949. we are not chinese and we are a turkic people, we belong to central asian nation groups.
The whole world is about war and occupation like Palestinians trying to claimed back AJerusalme that belongs to the Israelis. So very likely you might want to claim China to belong to the Uighurs.
Uighurs is a raceThe Uyghur (UIG) population, settled in Xinjiang, China, is a population presenting a typical admixture of Eastern and Western anthropometric traits. We dissected its genomic structure at population level, individual level, and chromosome level by using 20,177 SNPs spanning nearly the entire chromosome 21. Our results showed that UIG was formed by two-way admixture, with 60% European ancestry and 40% East Asian ancestry. Overall linkage disequilibrium (LD) in UIG was similar to that in its parental populations represented in East Asia and Europe with regard to common alleles, and UIG manifested elevation of LD only within 500 kb and at a level of 0.1 we estimated that the admixture event of UIG occurred about 126 [107?146] generations ago, or 2520 [2140?2920] years ago assuming 20 years per generation. In spite of the long history and short LD of Uyghur compared with recent admixture populations such as the African-American population, we suggest that mapping by admixture LD (MALD) is still applicable in the Uyghur population but ?10-fold AIMs are necessary for a whole-genome scan.
What does that say? Settled in Xinjiang China. Your originationgs were from Altaic and similarly to Indonesians who were from Africa origin.
East Turkistan is our land. chinese people came to our land in 1949 and changed the name to Xinjiang. they are forcefully occupied our land. the name of Xinjiang means a new territory, new border or new land. that is the truth and history. how do you trying to change the truth?
Or shall we say that you came to China before 1949.
In July 5th, innocent Uyghur people started doing a peaceful demonstration against your chinese government’s dictator rules. however chinese government started open fire and killing those innocent Uyghur protesters. so then they also started doing whatever what they could.
So you called that peaceful demonstration? Destroying things and properties and beating up people who have no business with you.
The shooting came only after the second or third day.
chinese government doesn’t allow us to have our national education, national language, national culture, national tradition and the Islam religion. they don’t allow us to go to mosque and have a believe in Allah.
now answer my question: why your government have killed more than 1500 innocent Uyghurs in July this year and still missing more than 10,000 Uyghurs? where they are?
No that’s not my government. It is your government, the Chinese Government.
first you have to good research the truth and then talk here.
Oh yeah I did come research after reading your posting. So you are the only people fighting for your rights! knows about research?
If you are not the admin of Indonesia Matters, do not try tell me that unfit to express my concern over the Indonesia Matters blog. Indonesia Matters is Indonesian website and you do not have any right to telling me fit or not.
I would summed up that you did not do your research well enough to misunderstand that word unfit which was in referrence to someone else after I made my posting.
right now you are visiting the Indonesian Matters website and talking me like that. probably after few years you will tell us that Indonesia is your land or Indonesia belongs to china?
I visited the Indonesian Matters website to express my comments not because I am a Indonesians but my children were born in Indonesian and some of them are still living there. I didn’t come from China to visit this blog. But by seeing media reporting what happened in Xinjiang says that the Chinese Government has their very right to take the necessary action to ensure that the riot do not spread any further. You came and settled in Xinjiang China and after settling for that many years there you claimed that the CHinese forcefully take control of your people. Right! You live in China so you have to obey the Chinese law. But instead you turn around and claimed that the Chinese government persecuted your people after your so called peaceful demonstration.
you said visiting my website is wasting time. that is exactly shows your image. you don’t like reading, researching, learning and just talking about your communist party’s politics here.
This is what you want to claim, and that’s fine with me. But when the word “settled” was set in motion then I would consider what was in the Uyghur Press seemed like propaganda to me. So don’t you think it is a waste of time reading propaganda?
Shame on china!Give you and example.
What you are saying is that. When you come into my house to stay and after a while you are saying part of my house belong to you. Is that right?
SHAME ON YOU MUSLIM UYGHURS
And of course the picture has shown the reality of China on how they control people like you are making unsubstantiated claims. No one will tolerate your nonsense just because you are seeing a number of Reactionary Muslims around the world creating terror and strapping bombs around their waist, stabbing at people with drug tainted syringes. And just as you misunderstood and mentioned I would also consider you misfit if you don’t mind.
Please don’t forget I don’t belong to the Chinese Government or Indonesian Government or any admin department by by gauging what you wrote and understanding what I read.
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Try dissolving these before you come back
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hina has long sought to entrench its grip on Xinjiang by denouncing Uighur separatism. It has accused some of its opponents of being in league with al-Qaeda. The riots show a different side of this contest. Local people, whose weapons are sticks and fury, resent the loss of their city.
The Chinese security forces maintain tight controls. However much the propaganda machine warns otherwise the Uighurs are not bombing the Chinese out. There is no trend of flourishing community-wide extremism. There is raw anger. Occasionally it boils over.
You felt left out from the Chinese boom so read http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1910302,00.html
And read this:
Bald eagle , there was no such
thing as Uyghurs people in 300 BC.you are inventing things , Bald Eagle,.
Uyghurs were a result of mixing between Huns and Mongols,
Uyghurs came into existence in Mongolia .Just like Korean whiteness is a result of mixing between early
Koreans and Huns in Northern Manchuria , which
is north of HeilongJiang river , now Russian territory .at that time 300 BC , Xin Jiang was not Chinese territory ,
but Hun’s territory,
Xin Jiang later became Uyghur’ s territory after Uyghurs defeated
the
Kirgyz people from Ob river who were migrating into Xin
Jiang .
Uyghurs were also migrating into Xin Jiang because of emergence
of Rouran and Koa – Cher people in Mongolia.that was why Uyghurs moved into Xin Jiang
because of their Hun blood line,
Uyghurs could have some Tocharians blood line,
but Uyghurs certainly have Hun blood line
which was early Turkish people.Chinese have never controlled Xin Jian before 1950 ,
in the past Chinese soldiers just passed
through Xin Jiang to battle in Kirgyzstan .During the Han Dynasty ,
Xin Jiang was not Chinese territory,
Han emperor sent Chinese explorer Ziang -Chan
to contact
western Tribe WuSon in Kazakhstan ,
in order help Chinese Han emperor fight Huns
from behind Hun’ s line of control in Xin Jiang ,
because Xin Jiang was Hun ‘s territory .During Tang Dynasty, Chinese Tang emperor
sent Chinese military through Xin Jiang
to fight muslems in Lake Issykul.
Chinese lost a great battle at Talas , west of lake Issykul .Han empeor did not control Xin Jiang.
Tang emperor did not control Xin Jiang ,
But Manchu emperor Kang – Xi did suceed in
controlling Xin Jiang after the Battle of Hotan ,
Kang – Xi Manchu emperor invaded Xin Jian
for and on behalf of the
Manchu empire , not on behalf of Chinese people .Chinese have never controlled Xin Jiang until 1950,
when Chinese Communist stole Xin Jiang from the Uyghurs .n Jul 7, 3:04 pm, baldeagle wrote:
> >.. Uyghurs have been in Xin Jiang East Turkishstan since 5th
> > century AD .> The Uyghurs are NOT native to China. They were Eurasian (Eastern
> European and Turk) of Turkic ethnic origin. The Uyghurs migrated
> to Xing-Jiang between 300 BC and 600 AD.> “Today one can still see Uyghurs with light-colored skin and hair.
> The
> genetic studies show that the Uyghur people, …a mixture of Eastern
> and Western anthropometric traits, …..
> 50% Caucasian (Tocharian) ancestry and 50% East Asian
> (Turkic-Hun) ancestry.”> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_peopleshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wi…
Uyghurs are a mixed race people of Huns and Mongolians .
> The Uyghurs were conquered by Ghenzis Khan…and they
> intermarried with the Mongolians. This happened much later…
> after 1300 AD.> The Uyghurs are NOT native of Asia like the Mongolians. They
> are a migrant race -
Don’t be too happy about that because I purposely place the posting for you to dispute.
But understand the context before doing so.
Understand the words there were no UIG in 300 BC!
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memtimintursun said:
If you are not the admin of Indonesia Matters, do not try tell me that unfit to express my concern over the Indonesia Matters blog. Indonesia Matters is Indonesian website and you do not have any right to telling me fit or not.
Dragie (tried to) evade: I would summed up that you did not do your research well enough to misunderstand that word unfit which was in referrence to someone else after I made my posting.
Just look at the thread, you were referring to memtimintursun when you said “you’re unfit”. Want me to copy-and-paste it for you? Here you go:
Tell us the reason why your people are beating up innocent Chinese, destroying their properties and other destructive acion?
If you cannot answer the question, then you are unfit to express your concern over the Indonesia Matters blog.
That is more than enough to invalidate all your pointless, uninformative rants here.
Oh ya, you’re hush-hushing memtimintursun for “having no relationship whatsoever with indonesia”. Fair enough. But look at yourself in the mirror, as you said it yourself:
First I am a Chinese but not from China and not from Indonesia so that you know.
What the H are you doing here? Now show some gratitude because nobody kicked you out of here, despite your noisy rants.
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timdog says:
dragonwall, attempting to digest your ignorant stuff and nonsense is an utter waste of time, however, something needs to be made clear to you: the name “Uighur” is to some extent an artificial construct (as are most “national identities”). The people currently labelled “Uighur” and the original “Uighur” tribe are not really the same thing. However, the Uighurs of Xinjiang are, quite catagorically, a Turkic people speaking a Turkic language. The first Turkis (a group that includes Uzbeks, Turks, Kyrghiz, Kazakhs, Turkmen, and obviously, Turks) arrived in Xinjiang around the 6th Century CE. Prior to that – and indeed after that – Xinjiang has a fairly chaotic history of immigration, but one thing is clear: it’s inhabitants, right back to the earliest stage, were not “Chinese”. The very earliest mummies dug from tombs in the Taklamakan desert are identifiably Caucasian. The current “Uighurs” are indeed an admixture, primarily Turkic, but also with elements of those other arrivees from before and after the advent of the Turks. A century ago they would not have called themselves “Uighurs” but would have identified themselves firstly to the city from which they hailed, and then as “Turkis”, bonded more closely to people from Tashkent, Bokhara or Anatolia than to anyone from the east.
China’s involvement with Xinjiang is a long, long one – and dates back far, far, far earlier than the “1949” claimed by memtimentursm (as does the name Xinjiang). Howeber, quite explicitly that involvement has always been identifiably as an alien “occupier”. The very name Xinjiang means “New Frontier”, which obviously suggests a colonial aquisition.And I got that all straight out of my memory, without recourse to wikipedia, which makes me about a million times cleverer than you…
On the other hand, memtimintursun, the Chinese first came to Xinjiang/Eastern Turkestan a very long time before 1949. Though they were often kicked out, and were always essentially “foreigners”, they have been coming and going from the region, generally according to the strength of the wider Chinese state since the First Millenium CE. The name too, Xinjiang, dates from, if I’m not mistaken, the Manchu period (if not earlier).
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Please tell me who is this in referrence to
If you cannot answer the question, then you are unfit to express your concern over the Indonesia Matters blog.
That is more than enough to invalidate all your pointless, uninformative rants here.
And that was in referrence to the riot in Xinjiang where the destruction of properties belonging to the Chinese happened and yet you tried to potrayed that as pointless and supported their actions right. Taht was why I always tell you to go on licking.
Oh ya, you’re hush-hushing memtimintursun for “having no relationship whatsoever with indonesia”. Fair enough. But look at yourself in the mirror, as you said it yourself:
As to that, yes I have no relation to Indonesia except my children. Therefore I won’t be light handed when commenting on matters concerning anything that has to do with discrimination, persetion and abuse of Chinese in Indonesia especially with people like you.
What the H are you doing here? Now show some gratitude because nobody kicked you out of here, despite your noisy rants.
And you think that I am in Indonesia? Definitely not. The only thing is that we still owned properties in Indonesia and it was because my children were born in Indonesia and they are about to complete their education so I am not in a hurry to rbing them out. If there is any like what you said then it would be us that will kicked the F of Indonesia and not the other way round. But people like you claimed that you knew nothing about Bali then obviously you are probably no Indonesian either right! but pretended that you are. Butit doesn’t matter to me because when people starts to lick they tend to forget their surrounding.
I have not under any circumstance made any remarks on your comments on this post, that I can think of, but it seemed that you are attempting to make your presence felt.
You know what the meaning of “tim” in Indonesia? It meant steamed right? so dogs like you always get steamed is to no surprise.
The people currently labelled “Uighur” and the original “Uighur” tribe are not really the same thing. However, the Uighurs of Xinjiang are, quite catagorically, a Turkic people speaking a Turkic language.
And I got that all straight out of my memory, without recourse to wikipedia, which makes me about a million times cleverer than you…
Ah ha your f..f..g rant. I see, that means that Uyghur, UIG and Uighur are different? You don’t need to try and lecture me about these people whose blood were a mixture of Huns, Caucasian, and Mongol right from the time of Marco Polo. Only idiot like you needs to. And being a caucasian yourself you might want to say that they were related to you. And so much for your glorified past.
Di I mention anything that says that I am smarter than you or are you thinking that you are smarter than others? So much for that.
IT WAS REPORTED THAT THEY SETTLED IN CHINA? Did you knot understand that? So what the fu.. are you ranting about your grandmother’s story.
So you agree, that ignorant brat didn’t, that the word Xinjiang was used long ago and not recent and that word had a literal translations in Chinese called New Frontier not because the Chinese called it New Frontier. Dick.
The next time you want to be related to the Huns, Mongol, Turks, Altaic, and all the Muslim crap let us know, so that I will prepare myself how to screw you around.
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Oh Ya one thing, try not to speak like a “tim anjing”.
Just because you want to link your past glories to Islamic Jihadist does not make you any smarter anyway.
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Rather difficult to make sense of what you wrote there Mr dragonwall, and therefore impossible to reply. However, I thought I might drop a little missive onto this thread from afar as I have just yesterday emerged from Xinjiang myself.
Why didn’t I post from Xinjiang itself? Because the entire state is currently under a total internet shutdown; it has been for almost four months. It is also impossible to make international calls in or out of Xinjiang, and has been for almost four months.
Why? And is this the behaviour of a decent, civilised country?
There are army trucks rolling around the streets of Kashgar all day, bearing slogans along the lines of “separatism hurts all”, and “protect national unity”. Meanwhile the old city (the Uighur heartland) is rapidly being being bulldozed (the hilarious Chinese euphemism is “renovated”), a move very much opposed by the residents. It is still virtually impossible for an average, unconnected Uighur even to get a passport. A number of people have reportedly been “disappeared” in recent months.Xinjiang, more even than last time I was there, resembles nothing so much as a colonial possession. It certainly doesn’t look like an integral – or integrated – part of the motherland…
I’m now in Gilgit, northern Pakistan by the way. Pakistan, unlike China, is civilised enough to allow access to Facebook, and the internet in general. Please don’t worry; Gilgit is a long way from Swat or Peshawar (neither of which I would go anywhere near in a month of Sundays at the moment)…
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Thanks for the update timdog…..
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cinoIndon says:
Xinjiang 2009 riots ? – there are prosecution action from gov’t of China, those perpretrators who burnt innocent houses & looting the car dealers were put into life detention or death penalty. A good governance example indeed.
Jakarta riots May 1998 ? – gov’t of Indonesia denied raping violent had happened, ignored the innocent’s houses which got burnt, denied any wrong doing of their incapability to protect their minority citizen, gov’t of Indon in 1998 must be declared as culprit & must be brought into international tribunal justice. It is an example of uncivilize country indeed. Who will compensate my lost ? I did not do anything wrong ? SUNGGUH NEGARA BIADAB …
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cinoIndon – see aspects of my reply to Andy on the “Barry Soetoro” thread re the “Indonesia’s worse than America” straw man theory.
Who’s talking about the Jakarta riots here? I’m certainly not. I’m talking about China’s behaviour in Xinjiang. What’s the connection, mister?
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