Bromo Tengger Converts to Islam
Mar 2nd, 2009, in News, by Patung
Some of the last holdouts against Islam on Java convert under the guidance of Hidayatullah.
On 1st March 2009 at Tempuran, Senduro, Lumajang, East Java 70 Muslim converts (mualaf) from the Tengger ethnic group (suku Tengger) were married in a mass ceremony.
The 70 people were part of a group of 227 Tengger people that had converted from Hinduism to Islam in mid 2007. Previously the 70 had been married according to Hindu rites, however these marriages were not officially registered or recognised.
They originate from Wonocempoko Ayu, Argosari, and Burno in Senduro, about 8km from Mt Bromo. 400 people from these villages have converted to Islam in recent years.
Zeigeist 1, Majapahit 0.
One man, Suyanto, said bmh.or.id
Wow, I’ve been married twice but with the same wife. Before I married according to another religion, now in the Islamic way. I’m so happy to be married within Islam after saying the confession of faith last year.
The Islamic marriages were organised by the fundamentalist group Hidayahtullah and the Lumajang local government. The couples paid nothing. Samsudin from Hidayatullah said: detik
So, people who convert to Islam will have their weddings paid for by Hidayahtullah.
Tenggerese are generally Hindu and traditionally live around or near Mt Bromo, and consider themselves to be direct descendants of the rulers of the last Hindu kingdom of Java, Majapahit. See “Hindu Javanese: Tengger Tradition and Islam” by Robert W. Hefner, Amazon, Google Books.
228 Comments on “Bromo Tengger Converts to Islam”
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
@ Pak Dhea
You have a christian agenda.
People like you, who blind yourself, will say that “when the Koran say beat your wife”, it does not really beat, or beat your wife with a toothbrush…..
I don’t know what you are on about but back then, 7th century Arabia, there was no toothbrush. The reason Aisha was beaten because as a 9 years old woman (30+ in today’s age), she should know better than not having an affair with another moslem. It was because of her that Allah swt required women cover their aurat.
Your an idiot. The hadith is clear and easy to find. He clearly didn’t beat her. I have a wife and I don’t beat her. If Islam really said to do this then I would have done it but I understand better than that.
Whether you beat your wife or not is none of our business. However it is clear that in Islam, Women are respected and can only be beaten with nothing larger than a toothbrush.
Listen what you said just like AAB pick and choose …
Like many Javanese moslem, Islam is an Arab religion and we are under no obligation to follow whatever is said that is in conflict with our superior Javanese philosophy. Only in Indonesia, we have the priviledge to pick and choose; our Pancasila takes care of that. However, I will be very pissed off if non-Indonesian moslem like Mohammed do not follow the quran to the letter.
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Mohammed says:
No my reaction is good publicity for Answering the Prophet of Doom since the author of this website used to be one of the biggest Muslim haters before he himself became Muslim.
@dhea
I didn’t pick and choose anything. I tell it like it is in the Quran. I accept it all.
@AAB
You truly are not Muslim in any sense. Islam is a universal message and not just for the Arabs. For you to even say these comments shows that clearly you yourself don’t understand Islam.
Aisha wasn’t beaten nor did she have an affair nor where women ordered to cover because of her. You are just as ignorant as the rest of them.
Well I think this is where I step of since clearly you guys are stuck in your own thoughts and world.
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Assalamualaikum
Brother Mohammed,You truly are not Muslim in any sense. Islam is a universal message and not just for the Arabs. For you to even say these comments shows that clearly you yourself don’t understand Islam.
It is Allah swt who judge me, not another brother unless you think you acting Allah swt Himself. I am from a nation with no history of Islamic sectarian bloodshed; where there is no Islamic halaled child sex and incest are viewed with disgust; where moslem can de-mualaf without fear; where women do not need to hijab themselves; where there was no record of scarring women. Don’t believe. Google and compare statistic. I hope you know what you talking about.
Aisha wasn’t beaten nor did she have an affair nor where women ordered to cover because of her. You are just as ignorant as the rest of them.
Brother, I sometime wonder whether you are a moslem to begin with. Read your hadith. Aisha was suspected of having an affair with a younger man.
Well I think this is where I step of since clearly you guys are stuck in your own thoughts and world.
Brother, why step off when you face with someone more knowledgeable than you. You seems to enjoy tit-4-tats with other Islamophobes, but when it comes to a well-read Islamists like myself, you bail out. Reveal yourself! Are you a Christian?
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dhea says:
@ AAB
This lines quote from Mr Muhammed
People like you, who blind yourself, will say that “when the Koran say beat your wife”, it does not really beat, or beat your wife with a toothbrush. It is trully a pathetic desperate apologetic explanation. Did Mohammed beat his poor child wife Aisha with a small toothbrush? No. He did it with his own hand and he beat her hard so that she almost could not breath. Please do not fool yourself.
Your an idiot. The hadith is clear and easy to find. He clearly didn’t beat her. I have a wife and I don’t beat her. If Islam really said to do this then I would have done it but I understand better than that.
Anyway it doesn’t take a book to tell you to beat your wife. Many men do that today already and they are not even Muslims. So your point with this issue is a waste of time.
Seem you lost in your la la world ok.
This is my answer
Listen what you said just like AAB pick and choose whatever it’s fit for your convenience it said in black and white and still somehow we the one that misunderstood, it is your chooice not to beat your wife even in the Qur’an allow you too it’s called common sense duh. Your answer just like everyone else old and typical also denial. And you the one that waste your time try to explain something thats already clear there.
Duh are you clear now AAB ?
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@AAB
Wa Alaikum IsSalaam
“Those who brought forward the lie (about Aishah may Allah be pleased with her) are a body among yourselves: think it not to be an evil to you; On the contrary it is good for you: to every man among them (will come the punishment) of the sin that he earned, and to him who took on himself the lead among them, will be a penalty grievous.
Why did not the believers – men and women – when ye heard of the affair,- put the best construction on it in their own minds and say, “This (charge) is an obvious lie”?
Why did they not bring four witnesses to prove it? When they have not brought the witnesses, such men, in the sight of Allah, (stand forth) themselves as liars! ” Quran 24:11 – 13
Aishah was suspected but cleared by Allah in the Quran. I already know this.
Allah swt vindicated her and a revelation was revealed clearing her.You are not a well read Islamists. Clearly you are one of the most ignorant I have ever talked to.
The fact that I have been studying Islamic Shria for the last 6 years isn’t enough for someone like you. You live in your own little world modifying and choosing what you like out of a complete faith and system of life that is universal, and saying it doesn’t apply to you.Blessed is He Who sent down the Furqan (Criterion (of right and wrong)) upon His servant that he may be a warner to all nations; Quran 25:1
TO ALL NATIONS. Do you comprehend or are you to thick to understand this.
You are either a Muslim or you are not. You cannot choose part thereof and say the rest does not apply to me. Islam is a system of life from political religious and spiritial.
If you treason against the US the penalty is death likewise if you treason against Islam the penalty is death but only if there is a Khalifa established or Islamic law. Not even saudi arabia has proper islamic law today.
Why would I be a Christian defending Islam. How stupid are you. You my friend are neither well read nor even understand Islam. I think some of the others here understand it more than you but they have other agendas.
You are not more knowledgable than I am because it clearly shows with the ignorant statements you made comparing the rest of the world to where you live and your people.
Under Islam we are one Ummah.So when I say I will step off it is because or your un-intelligent ignorance that I don’t want to waste my time anymore.
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Typical now AAB and Muhammed have cat fight meooooooooow. On which one is the true Islam ? or both of them confused lol.
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Oigal says:
“Under Islam we are one Ummah. ”
Mmm.. Did I miss something in Dafur then… or is there a Black African Ummah and Arab Ummah?
Or should we talk about different variants of Isam itself..Seems to be a few fractures in the Ummah?
You are either a Muslim or you are not.
Fair enough but who gets to be judge n jury?
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Burung Koel says:
Mohammed’s life story got me thinking and remembering.
A few years ago I was doing postgraduate study in Brisbane, and made friends with a number of Indonesian students there. There are two main mosques in Brisbane – one at Kuraby and one at Mount Gravatt. The Indonesian students told me that they had to avoid going to one of the mosques (I forget which one) because it had been taken over by a load of ‘nutters’.
This explains a lot.
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Mr Tic Tac Toe says:
OMG….
tldr;
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Endo Hanafi says:
@Mohammad,
I was a moslem once, by birth. I wanted to be a true Moslem which then led me to learn it more. Since I could think and did not just chew and take other words easily, I had many questions surrounding Islam. My research concluded that Prophet Muhammad was a bad man, a criminal and Koran is nothing but a dull non-sense book he made by copying as well as creating his own stories. It was painful realising what I believed for years was a fake one, but i have to be honest to myself.
I have nothing against any religion whatsoever, but Islam produces so many destruction, violence, and oppress women. Its teaching so destructive so that I feel we need to tell what Islam really is.
I know, the apologists and blinded moslems will water down the clear message of the Koran. “Push” instead of “beat”. Hmmm “push” until somebody was in pain and almost could not breath? Interesting!
I call a 7 year old girl as a child. What do you called a 7 year old? Prophet Mohamad married Aisha at age 7 and had sex with her when she was 9. I quoted the Koran and all sahih hadiths, so do not say that they are fabricated, they are from the pure sources of Islam:
Wife beating Koranic verse 4.34 :
“And those wives whose refractoriness ye fear, exhort them, and avoid them in beds, and beat them; but if they obey you, seek not a way against them; verily Allah is ever Lofty, Grand.”Hadith: Prophet Mohamad beat Aisha
“When sleeping with Aisha Muhammad surreptitiously left his bed and went to the graveyard at Baqi; Aisha spied and followed Muhammad; when Muhammad learned Aisha’s misdeed he hit her (beat her) on her chest that caused much pain to Aisha”. (Muslim 4.2127)Hadiths: Banu Quraiza massacre.
Excerpt:
Prophet Mohamad killed 700-800 Banu Quraiza men on baseless charges to justify their massacre. First Mohamad army blockaded the Banu Quraiza for 25 days. Finally the Banu Quraiza surrendered unconditionally. On Sa’ad suggestion, Prophet Mohamad agreed to kill all the adults. Women and children were then enslaved.
( Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 280 and 288; Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4390).Coward attack and had sex with girls after killing their family
Ibn Aun has narrated: “I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn ‘Umar had told him the above narration and that Ibn ‘Umar was in that army.” (Bukhari 3.46.717 and Muslim 019. 4292)
The same method Prophet Mohammed applied when attacked another tribe and “married” the girl he wanted after killing her husband as well as her family. And then proceeded to have sex with her at that very night only hours he killed her husband. This way he got Rayhana, Juwairiya, and Safiya (Prophet Mohamad tortured her husband to death). These girls were all young under 20.
Mohammad, the messages are unequivocal. The truth is crystal clear, but a blind still can not see it.
Peace.
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schmerly says:
Endo Hanafi.. Thanks, it’s nice to get the other side of the story, there’s always two sides.
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Assalamualaikum
Brother Mohammed,Shias believed that Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) was guilty, whereas Sunnis believed she was innocent. Whether guilty or not, I am still correct.
Why would I be a Christian defending Islam. How stupid are you. You my friend are neither well read nor even understand Islam. I think some of the others here understand it more than you but they have other agendas.
Based on what you wrote, I thought you are a Christian apologist belittling Islam. I apologise for that. Brother, I have no other agenda other than to guide non-Indonesian moslems to the right path.
@ Mbak Endo Hanafi
FFI is poisoning your mind.
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diego says:
@AAB:
You have a very confusing persona.
What are you?
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Suryo Perkoso says:
And isn’t it nice to find one that suits your viewpoint?
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@EH
I won’t bother to refute what you are saying since I will get the same comments as all the other refutations that it is just apologetic and that i pick and choose what I want clearly like you just did.
BTW the proof is clear since many non Muslims accept Islam and not because they are forced or marry a Muslim.
Some of there stories here for those non muslims who are truely interested in learning about Islam from non muslims who became Muslims. There is many more stories out there you just have to search for them
Also don’t take a Muslims or Non Muslims word for what they say go out and do your research. Look into the lives of the people that have become Muslim.
Ask yourselfs what did they think of Islam before they became Muslim?
What changed their minds?
And what do they think of it now that they are Muslim?
Do they look happy and content as Muslims?Yusuf Estes was and ex muslim hater. You can look at his stories and what he preaches about Islam.
Naturally since his was a Christian preacher and Minister and so was his Father and he had a Catholic priest friend who all btw hated Islam with a passion and it was only when they tried to prove the superiority of Christianity to Islam did they realise the truth and accept Islam. Now he is a preacher for Islam because it comes natural to him to preach.
He has many PHD’s in theology, Divinty and Christianity and now many Degrees with regard to Islam. See why he became Muslim and what he says about Islam. Just do a google search for Yusuf Estes and see what you come up with.
You be the Judge.
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Mohammed said:
> Look into the lives of the people that have become Muslim.Michael Jackson, or should I say Mikaiil Al-Jakub?
I guess he’s spiritually uplifted. Oh yes, I can see that very clearly.Mike Tyson. I forgot his muslim name, was it Alhamedilalalahiyayayayihaaa…?
I heard he’s active on helping the poors now. He’s so spiritually uplifted since he submitted to Awloh. -
Lairedion says:
Mohammed, look into the lives of the following people that have become Muslim:
– Adam Yahiye Gadahn
– John Walker Lindh
– David Matthew Hicks
– Christopher Paul
– José PadillaI believe these people understand Islam better than you.
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@ Mohammed
You seem to think that no-one else can have a legitimate opinion, unless it conforms with your own. This applies to both Muslim and non-Muslim people who have disagreed with you.
Here’s how it works:
Let’s assume that Allah exists*. We know that there are competing views about the legitimacy of some ‘sacred’ texts, and how they should be interpreted. So far so good. So why do you think that your view is the only correct one? Why do you feel the need to try and convince people (including other Muslims) that the way you see it is the right way? I would suggest that trying too hard represents a lack of confidence on your part, or an unhealthy desire for absolute certainty, whereas other Muslims don’t seem to have a problem with accepting wider interpretations of their faith or tolerating the views of others.
* Not personally a believer, I tend to view all theological debate and any ‘inter-faith dialogue’ as equivalent to small children in the playground arguing over who has the better imaginary friend.
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@Mbak AAB,
Worse. Suspection on Aisha’s affairs then trigerred the verse demanding all women to wear hijab. The old jealous prophet mohamed made his God reveal the verse.
@Mohamed,
You should work on statistic more. The fast growing islam is due to birth rate as most moslems live in poor countries with high birth rate. Those moslems in developed countries are immigrants. You may pick up a few new converts, but the number is too small to count and later, after learning more and find the truth about Islam, most of them will leave Islam quietly.One thing statistic could not tell is the large number of apostates like me who live in Islamic culture/countries. We are not able to declare that we leave Islam, moslems will hunt us down, to kill us as the Koran orders. No tolerance or religious freedom in Islam.
This religion sponsors killing, violence, hatred. The more one follows the Koranic teaching, the less human he/she is.
Islam and Koran need a massive revision to be a peaceful religion, a total reform. Javanese leaders and preachers for hundreds of year picked only the limited peaceful words of the Koran, blended it with native culture of “Kejawen”. Most ordinary javanese people are not able to read the Koran in Arabic and have limited understanding of it, but that makes them better peaceful human being. You will never find somebody kills another human being in the name of God, because the Javanese believes God is the most peaceful, merciful. A God sponsors violence, killing, and destruction must not be a true God.
But it changes slowly now, the fundamentalists and the wahabis managed to introduce them to the islamic teachings and violence. The wave of terror their produce is well known represented by Imam Samudra and Amrozy in Bali bombing on 22 october 2002. Listen what Imam Samudra told in interview that he followed the Koranic verse in the killing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLQ3_yWIzjA.
My fellow indonesians and I will fight hard to keep Indonesia free from this bad Islamic intolerant violent teachings and uphold the plurality, respect for human rights, and our native peaceful values of living in harmony. After all we are the same human being.
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@Burung Koel,
You have a very good point.
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Endo Hanafi.. Thanks Endo for being so open minded, it’s a shame there’s not more like you.
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Eh Hang on, I am still confused about this Ummah thingy?
Now when all good things come to pass and the community is living as one big happy Ummah that will be ruled by the Saudi Version or the Iran version, or perhaps the Dervish Islam version (Serious need to know, my twirling may need some work)?
Sorry to sound cynical but have some real issues with the Ummah..really have toruble understanding how the Palestine Muslim gets the “Ummah” all hot and sweaty but the Black Dafur Muslim seems to be a bit further down the list although the death toll and conditions are so much worse.
Is it me or are we overplaying the Ummah thing just a tad..
As a matter of interest, it would seem the Indonesian Ummah don’t do so well with their Arab brothers as well..Perhaps someone could explain the Ummah ranking system to me
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TheWrathOfGrapes says:
Endo Hanafi Says:
March 18th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
I call a 7 year old girl as a child. What do you called a 7 year old? Prophet Mohamad married Aisha at age 7 and had sex with her when she was 9.Aluang Anak Bayang Says:
March 18th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
I don’t know what you are on about but back then, 7th century Arabia, there was no toothbrush. The reason Aisha was beaten because as a 9 years old woman (30+ in today’s age)Endo Hanafi, I don’t know what Mohammed calls a 7 year old, but AAB called her a woman.
AAB, I know a dog’s age is equivalent to about 7 times a human’s age, i.e., a 3 year old dog is as old as a 21 year old human. But I didn’t know that there is such a thing as a 7th century Arabian age.
So a 9 year old WOMAN in 7th Century Arabia is a 30+ modern woman, presumably because they mature and age faster in the hot Arabian desert. So, a 60 year old woman in 7th Century Arabia will be 200 year old woman in today’s age. (remember, I am not factoring in the + bit). And with better healthcare and modern medicine and sanitation, I suppose a 5 year old 21th Century Arabian woman is, what, about 50+ in today’s age?
Long live AAB! Long live Arabians.
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ET says:
Mohammed said
Under Islam we are one Ummah.
Us and Them. We are the good ones, they are the bad ones. Simple. Allahu akbar.
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@ET:
Mohd’s statement reminds me of this catch phrase: resistance is futile.
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DumadiSatrio says:
@Oigal:
You actually make a really good point. It has been the big thing in the more heavely islamic circles to talk of the Kaliphate and “restoring it”.I mean, when you talk of the issue of “Who to run it”, that is the big one right there. No matter what, it will never be “islamic enough” for some people, I mean, all and all, can you really imagine Java people accepting Taliban living? No Ukuleli!..wooo, never happen.
Most of those who talk of it, are pretty much in dream land or dont know the actual history of the Kaliphas. Out of the first 4 rightly guided ones, 2 were assassinated and one was killed during a siege of Mekka while retaking the city from rebels. You had Umayyads being overthrown by Abbasids; Followers of Ali fighting followers of Bakr; Zaydi Revolt, Ibn al-Zubair’s revolt, Battle of Karbala, (and so forth ); Hispania splitting from the Abbasid Caliph in Baghdad to form their own caliphate; The Abbasid Kalipha fighting with the Fatimid Kalipha (notice how many times there are several Kaliphates at once) over Egypt and Palestine; Mamluk Sultanate being conquered by Ottoman empire, who wound up fighting the Iranian Qajar Empire. ….and on and on….
better to wait for the Ratu Adil to return and bring the people of Aisa together under kejawen.
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Cukurungan says:
Endo Hanafi.. Thanks Endo for being so open minded, it’s a shame there’s not more like you.
Open minded without real action is nothing, because, as we speak, we Muslim Indonesia still hold many things to be played to force the Islam hater can do nothing except complain, masturbate and laughing on them self?
My suggestion for all Islamic hater improve your insult strength and do the real work otherwise my life is too easy and too nice
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Thanks DS,
Actually you can have a lot of “fun” with this line of debate (if you can dig the more ignorant ones out of Dogma). Why aren’t Indonesians taking a more active role in the “direction” of Islam with the notable exclusion of 5% hard liners Indonesian Islam is far more inclusive and positive than any Middle East version. Certainly women are treated far better and they are allowed to contribute in such fields as education, politics, business (surely only the insane would restrict a population to 50% of its potential).
And yet..despite the numbers, 60 years of independence it would seem that Indonesian Muslims still lack the courage (?) or confidence to take a lead role. Is it a genetic thing? A cultural cringe?
Why is Indonesia so happy to accept colonisation again albeit in a religious form. Very strange indeed.
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Tn. Oigal, Yth:
And yet..despite the numbers, 60 years of independence it would seem that Indonesian Muslims still lack the courage (?) or confidence to take a lead role. Is it a genetic thing? A cultural cringe?
Why is Indonesia so happy to accept colonisation again albeit in a religious form. Very strange indeed.
Nothing strange with that.
Its merely about Social Identity. Humans merely want to be part of a larger group. It has nothing to do with dogma, teachings or such.
Everybody wants to be different to certain degree, but not THAT different. In indonesia it is even amplified by seemingly inherent Socialist culture(take the term gotong royong for example).
Religion has become THE group identity. It doesnt matter whether the dogma was cruel or not, being with a group is more important. Sad but true.
To indonesian like miself, your critic about accepting religious colonization sounds a little bit white-man-burden-ish. Many of us aware of “the problem”, although unable to articulate it in words.
For a people who were conquered, defeated in wars over and over again for hundreds of years, it is really not easy getting a lecture about colonization from a foreigner. I know you mean well, but in my head all i can only hear are these words: “Why dont you let us colonize you all over again?”
Look, you can argue about “genetic thing” or “cultural cringe”, or perhaps even harsher words to label us as hopeless people, but to an admitedly defeated people like us, 60 years is not yet enough to break free from group identification, especially when we have been successfuly indoctrinized about its importance to gain independence (take example: “bersatu kita teguh” etc), to break free from defeatism.
All you do is opening old wounds: a hundreds-of-years-story about a conquered people, having to listen again to their “european masters” that they worth nothing. You, Sir, are no different than those netherland indies ambtenaars.
Again, we know that there is a ‘problem’. Its HUGE. We are fixing it, we work hard on it, perhaps not as loud as you would expect or not as articulate as you are.
But we are working on it.
(And we will not falter becoz of the self-defeatism you might try to instill)
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@ Mohammed
People like you, who blind yourself, will say that “when the Koran say beat your wife”, it does not really beat, or beat your wife with a toothbrush. It is trully a pathetic desperate apologetic explanation. Did Mohammed beat his poor child wife Aisha with a small toothbrush? No. He did it with his own hand and he beat her hard so that she almost could not breath. Please do not fool yourself.
Your an idiot. The hadith is clear and easy to find. He clearly didn’t beat her. I have a wife and I don’t beat her. If Islam really said to do this then I would have done it but I understand better than that.
Anyway it doesn’t take a book to tell you to beat your wife. Many men do that today already and they are not even Muslims. So your point with this issue is a waste of time.
Listen what you said just like AAB pick and choose whatever it’s fit for your convenience it said in black and white and still somehow we the one that misunderstood, it is your chooice not to beat your wife even in the Qur’an allow you too it’s called common sense duh. Your answer just like everyone else old and typical also denial. And you the one that waste your time try to explain something thats already clear there.