Barry Soetoro
Nov 6th, 2008, in Opinion, by Guest WriterBarry Soetoro aka Barack Obama’s Indonesian connection.
Former Menteng student now US President
Obama Barack has been democratically elected President of the US.
Quite an about face for the best democracy money can buy, in view of the Bush presidential se-lection.
But of course, corruption, collusion and nepotism is the sole monopoly of the Third World – or so the deluded denizens of the West repeat to themselves as they hug their knees, rocking back and forth – reminding themselves of how they uphold human rights equally across the board, entirely devoid of double-standards and totally oblivious to race, creed or religion.
Barrak Hussein Obama II was born to a white American Ann Dunham and Kenyan Barrak Hussein Obama Snr, in Nyang’oma Kogelo now in Kenya.
Here the Indonesian link starts.
Ann Dunham married in 1967 Lolo Soetoro, a Javanese, whose own father, in 1946 was killed along with his eldest brother were killed, after which the Dutch army burned down the family’s home. Soetoro fled with his mother into the countryside to survive. Incidentally yet more proof of Dutch war crimes – delibrate destruction of civilian property outside the scope of battle.
Pak Lolo Soetoro was an army geologist then later a government relations consultant for Mobil Oil. Obama describes Soetoro as well-mannered, even-tempered, and easy with people.
Barry Soetoro in Indonesia with mother Ann Dunham, step-father Lolo Soetoro, baby-sister Maya Soetoro-Ng.
From age 6 to 10, Obama lived in Jakarta. Age six, Obama attended the Catholic Primary St Francis di Assisi. Much was made of the lie he was educated in a Madrassa – or more accurately a pesantren – this of course was totally untrue. Obama Jnr later attended Model Primary School, Menteng and was registered as a Muslim – as his father was Muslim.
In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell my mother that I made faces during Koranic studies. My mother wasn’t overly concerned. ‘Be respectful,’ she’d say. In the Catholic school, when it came time to pray, I would close my eyes, then peek around the room. Nothing happened. No angels descended. Just a parched old nun and 30 brown children, muttering words.
One of “Berry’s” childhood friends was Adi who often visited “Berry’s” 16 Jalan Haji Ramli house. Speaking volumes of Dutch “development” at the time the road was of this established middle-class neighbourhood was a dirt lane where Obama used to wile away the hours kicking a soccer ball.
Adi recalled Obama and his friends wore plastic bags over their shoes to walk through the muddy street during the rainy seasons.
Neighborhood Muslims worshiped in a nearby house, which has since been replaced by a larger mosque. Sometimes, when the muezzin sounded the call to prayer, Lolo and Barry would walk to the makeshift mosque together, Adi said.
His mother often went to the church, but Barry was Muslim. He went to the mosque,” Adi said. “I remember him wearing a sarong.”
Obama spent most his spare time hanging out with Adi and other friends at the home of Yunaldi Askiar, a classmate. They used to play a kind of fencing game using sticks, kick a ball up and down the narrow dirt lanes or go swimming in the river behind the school, said Askiar, 42, a car mechanic.
Obama was taller and better dressed than most kids in classes where shoes and socks were still luxuries, so he stood out from the start. As an African American, and the only foreigner, he suffered racial taunts and teasing but never turned to violence.
“At first, everybody felt it was weird to have him here,” Israella Dharmawan, his first grade teacher said. “But also they were curious about him, so wherever he went, the kids were following him.”
His friends enjoyed playing tricks on Berry: Harmon ASki recalled,
“Sometimes we’d say, ‘Barry, do you want a chocolate?’ And we’d give him a chocolate. The next day we’d give him a chocolate again. The third time we’d give him terasi (fermented shrimp paste) wrapped up like chocolate. Obama didn’t get mad. He would laugh it off.”
Ann Soetoro moved to Yogyakarta, while Obama Jnr studied in Jakarta. She was inspired by Jogja village industries, which became the basis of her 1992 doctoral dissertation.
“She loved living in Java,” said Dr. Dewey, who recalled accompanying Ms. Soetoro to a metalworking village. “People said: ‘Hi! How are you?’ She said: ‘How’s your wife? Did your daughter have the baby?’ They were friends. Then she’d whip out her notebook and she’d say: ‘How many of you have electricity? Are you having trouble getting iron?’ ”
Dunham-Soetoro became a consultant for the United States Agency for International Development on setting up a village credit program, then a Ford Foundation program officer in Jakarta specializing in women’s work. Later, she was a consultant in Pakistan, then joined Indonesia’s oldest bank to work on what is described as the world’s largest sustainable microfinance program, creating services like credit and savings for the poor.
Obama in Hawaii with Maya and Ann and maternal grand-father, shortly after leaving Indonesia.
In his tellingly-titled Memoir, Dreams from My Father, Obama describes his Indonesian interlude as “one long adventure, the bounty of a young boy’s life”. But he also recalls being troubled by the poverty around him: “the empty look on the faces of farmers the year the rains never came,” and the desperation of the disabled beggars who came to the family’s door.
“The world was violent, I was learning, unpredictable and often cruel,” he writes. Obama and his mother thus we were very well acquainted with the harsh realities of indigenous Indonesians.
Fermina Katarina Sinaga, recalled yojhng Obama in her class: in the common task of class to write an essay titled “My dream: What I want to be in the future.” Obama “wrote ‘I want to be a president,’ ” she said. During a later writing assignment on family, he wrote, “My father is my idol.
The Indonesian connection for Obama and all that shaped him proving once again all things Javanese and indigenous Indonesian the bedrock for the towering monuments built on the foundations of a great civilisation.
1,047 Comments on “Barry Soetoro”
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Sorry Stevie,
I broke this into two posts to appeal to your bi-polar side.
If we may, just for a laugh and some light relief get back to your Glen Beck channeling. You made the typical over the top comment that it is now forbidden to fly the National Flag. When challenged you have come up with;
There are heaps of references on Google, something about the Met being told to remove an unauthorized addition to an official uniform (granted tacky but hardly in the same league as your original statement) and when pressed further there is some unknown county in England that is forbidden to fly the National Flag…Really? Where? Seriously if the maundering Muslims are banning flags all over democratic Europe how hard is it to find the reference?
Tsk Tsk..Stevie..As I said before happy to play with your silly comments but if you are going to speak for me then don’t lie. I have never done that to you, I have only ever quoted you for laughs.
He supports Sharia law in non-Muslim secular countries, to appear “liberal and progressive
See now that just a fib isn’t it :-).. In fact as already pointed out to you, my view is they should ban all religious privileges in public spaces, did you miss the bit in bold type..twice.
BUT:A few dead political activists (described as tomorrows liberal leaders) killed while on a political camp are an unbearable tragedy.
Sigh, yea I do call it a tragedy…what do you call it Stevie? You have already stated you have no sympathy for them, so we can guess?
“Thousands of dead Muslim civilians, killed by invading armies, and destruction of homes and businesses, is excused away”
That’s your detailed analysis of what is occurring in Iraq/Afghanistan and the border region of Pakistan is it Stevie…deep very deep..
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Lairedion says:
stevo,
I agree with all you wrote Lairedion
Mmm, that’s odd because I didn’t write anything else from what I normally write here.
I support progressive ideas, equal rights for all and I criticize both left liberals not having the courage to defend this when cuddling with Muslims supporting homophobia and misogyny and neocons and other right-wingers hijacking these ideals to enforce their own intolerant agendas.
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ET says:
Lairedion
Labels like liberal-marxist or marxist-liberals are nonsense as liberalism in the true sense is diametrically opposed towards stubborn ideologies like socialism, marxism, fascism but also Islam and Christianity.
At first sight there is a paradox and I agree there is a huge semantic conflict here. Of course marxism (and by extension ‘the left’ or cultural marxism) should by definition be diametrically opposed to what used to be liberalism. However they, ‘the left’, or cultural marxists if you like, have since the sixties developed a strategy to infiltrate and cling like poison ivy to protest movements and then adapt them to their own agenda to undermine and destruct conservative, proven values that form the fabric of our societies and replace them with their totalitarian paradigm. Under the veil of being progressive most of these protest movements appeal in the first place to enthousiastic but less experienced young people that are easily conned into believing their ideals will be supported. For ‘cultural marxists’ it doesn’t matter what the content of the protests and demands they support is about, even if it’s something like sharia. As long as it is able to destabilize and sow strife and discord they will jump on the bandwagon. Look what happened to environmentalism, what was meant to be green became mixed with red to the extent of losing its original flavour.
At the risk of being pissed on from all sides, I believe this insight became Breyvik’s prime motive to carry out his atrocity. Although his aim was to protect his society from further islamization he didn’t go after the islamists themselves but after what he considered a more immediate danger, i.e. their 5th column. He may be a dangerous lunatic in connection with the choice of his methods, it doesn’t mean that the rationale behind his move is equally devoid of any sense. All things considered he is no better or worse than a run of the mill suicide bomber, with the exception that he will appear before court to give evidence of what has motivated him to become an ostracized ‘martyr’, probably less prone to be forgotten as quickly as those loons who killed themselves in the process. -
Oigal
Removal of the Stars and Stripes from the astro uniform. Fair go, you are sounding like Stevo and you are streets above his level of debate. You and I both know that is not going to happen, firstly because it s a part of the uniform and secondly because the yanks patriotic to a cringe worthy degree. So it just brings the debate to a silly level.
That’s why I mentioned it in the first place. To underline the silliness and pettiness of this hair splitting Union Jack episode. But like you said, it would be interesting to find out who is behind this Union Jack complaint, influential enough to make Scotland Yard cringe and wag its tail.
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stevo says:
An immigrant group based in Bern has called for the emblematic white cross to be removed from the Swiss national flag because as a Christian symbol it “no longer corresponds to today’s multicultural Switzerland.”
Ivica Petrusic, the vice president of Second@s Plus, a lobbying group that represents mostly Muslim second-generation foreigners in Switzerland (who colloquially are known as secondos) says the group will launch a nationwide campaign in October to ask Swiss citizens to consider adopting a flag that is less offensive to Muslim immigrants.
I guess some here on IM think this is ok, and a good dose of Sharia law (to keep the women in their place) can be justified on the grounds that other religions are silly too.
I agree with Breyvik. Its not ok. I believe in putting outcomes for people ahead of leftist ideology.
He may be a dangerous lunatic in connection with the choice of his methods, it doesn’t mean that the rationale behind his move is equally devoid of any sense.
His is the same rationale used by many who support the killing of people in Muslim countries in the war-on-terror crusade.
Call me crazy, but I can not see why a few dead white folk are a bigger tragedy than thousands of innocent dead brown ones( in the fight against radical Islam). It is an unwinable war that is doing more harm than good.
It is not up to Obama to impose Western values on traditional Muslim soceties and occupy their homelands with his armies. It is none of the Wests business what they do there or how they treat their women folk. Yet we are allowing intolerant Islam to creep into our liberal western democracies. That is the Wests business and it needs to be stopped. It may seem trite, but I think there is some wisdom in “When In Rome Do As The Romans Do” I believe in religous freedom, but lines have to be drawn. Sharia courts in the UK are over that line.
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Mmm, that’s odd because I didn’t write anything else from what I normally write here.
I support progressive ideas, equal rights for all and I criticize both left liberals not having the courage to defend this when cuddling with Muslims supporting homophobia and misogyny and neocons and other right-wingers hijacking these ideals to enforce their own intolerant agendas.
Thats all good stuff Lairedion, but you are a little slow to criticize the excesses of the left. I prefer to form opinions based on the circumstances and real world outcomes, rather than forming opions based on an adobted ideology. Thats why I dont support Obama, just because he has more of his dads skin tone than his mums, for example.
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Patrick says:
This week, our President Obama, has quietly deployed 100 combat equipped troops to Central Africa in an effort to advise governments on how to defeat the LLA. Is there a conflict in the world he cannot keep American troops out of?
Oh and let us not forget that he signed off on the assassination of a USA citizen in Yemen. Where is the liberal press calling for a congressional investigation of either of these disturbing events? -
I prefer to form opinions based on the circumstances and real world outcomes, rather than forming opions based on an adobted ideology. Thats why I dont support Obama
I do so love this one and the variations of it. Perhaps you can help then Stevie, what exact policy coming from Obama or the White House in general is so out there it threatens our way of life as we know it. More to the point what policy is really that different from the other side? Any example will do.
ET, my point is the numpties on both sides have stolen the debate with ridiculous and extreme claims to the extent rational debate is virtually impossible. Refugees are flooding Australia (12,000 year is NOT a flood), Refugees are queue jumpers (a average 21 year wait in a camp is not a bloody queue). Should there be a harder qualification and probation period for refugees and immigrants of course are claims that all Muslims are just lining up to destroy our way of life and therefore lets banned them all and tow any boat people back out to sea…What xenophobic nonsense.
Its a fair point that in a liberal democracy care must be taken that one group of people is not granted concessions contrary to all but that must apply to all. No use whining about Sharia when other religious numpties are granted the same concessions and exceptions to the rule of law (If I hear one more nonsense claim about how Christianity provided us with democracy..I am going to vomit).
Unfortunately, the howl of shrills soon drowns out rational discourse. Look at Stevie, they are Banning the National Flag!!! No they are not. In fact we are not even sure who “They” are ..evil Muslims, Norway Kids on a beach, Obama, The US and its exporting of the Maxist Agenda, Big Government, the World Bank, Soros, Feminazis. Seriously how do have a rational discourse with those kinds of people?
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You said I was making stuff up about the flag. You said it was just an issue with military dress codes. You have been proven wrong.
You claimed sharia law in Europe was no different to the Armish [sic]. You have been proven wrong.
But like a good little troll, you fail to change your position when new information becomes available.
I do so love this one and the variations of it. Perhaps you can help then Stevie, what exact policy coming from Obama or the White House in general is so out there it threatens our way of life as we know it. More to the point what policy is really that different from the other side? Any example will do.
WTF !! Why ask me that? My only complaint has been that he is NOT different, yet has been adored by the left because of his skin colour.
I am not anti immigration/muslim or anything else and have said so numerous times. You are constantly ranting about what you “think” my views are. If your most recent post was directed at me, you missed the target. That is not even close to how I think. I dare say that my actual views are probably far more tolerant and liberal than yours. That is the reality Oigal. But please feel free to make straw man parodies of my views, if it helps you let off steam and feel self-righteous.
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The US and its exporting of the Maxist Agenda
The only person who has linked US military actions and cultural marxisim, here, is you Oigal. I explained my comment in some detail and I do not intend to do so again for the sake of the terminally ignorant. If you want to play with the grown ups you need to read what is written BEFORE you reply.
I think you secretly agree with my views and worship me as a diety for my profound wisdom. If you really disagreed with me you would be able to engage me on what I actually say, rather than cut and pasting out of context sentence fragments, to create a deliberate mis- representation. You see Oigal, I know what I think and your hysterical responses say more about whats going on in your head, rather than mine.
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Laugh, tell you what Stevie ..you post a quote from me where I have even used the term cultural marxism. It’s your term not mine. Sorry which nation is it again where it is forbidden to fly the national flag? Which actual policy from the white house is so radically different from previous administrations. Simple questions really..
Oh I don’t really care what your views are, to be honest you are a mild amusement until the birthers come back 🙂
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Which actual policy from the white house is so radically different from previous administrations. Simple questions really..
Your little more than an arrogant self-absorbed idiot and a total light weight. Try pulling your head out of your own backside and reading what I just posted. What a poser lol
I never said anything about Obama being radical or different. I did say the total opposite. Like so much of your self absorbed rants, its fueled by the trash in your own head, not the thoughts of others. Get a grip man.
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Here is a post from 6 months ago. Further evidence of the lack of thought from our resident pompous troll.
Oigal asks “I will make it easy for you, name one policy proposal or action from the White House or BO, that could honestly be construed as far left or radical.”
I can’t, but I never made any claim to the contrary. In fact what I did say that he is no better (or worse) than the previous president.
You will also note I have not made disparaging remarks about Obama himself
And today it tries this drivel again (to show how clever and liberal it is)
I do so love this one and the variations of it. Perhaps you can help then Stevie, what exact policy coming from Obama or the White House in general is so out there it threatens our way of life as we know it. More to the point what policy is really that different from the other side? Any example will do.
WTF !! Why ask me that? My only complaint has been that he is NOT different, yet has been adored by the left because of his skin colour.
So what is the reply to this………… well wait for it !
“Which actual policy from the white house is so radically different from previous administrations. Simple questions really..”
Yeah very rational ……… muppet.
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Now now Stevie, do try and stick with the discussion at hand. No point calling people names in the absence of substance.
I assume then it was some other US and president that you stated was exporting Maxism (I have to be honest, that’s one of my favorites) Anyway back to the original question which country again has banned the flying of it’s national flag? Oh sorry we down graded that to some English county which was it again?
You do course realize that many aboriginal people in Australia find Australia national flag represents oppression and occupation. More to the point they refuse to fly it yet only a numpty would translate that into the national flag is banned in Australia.
How are we going on the “save the men from female oppression in Saudi” campaign anyway?
So the West has no business in traditional Muslim lands imposing Western Values nor has any right to be concerned how they treat their woman (sounds a bit inconsistant with your save the downtrodden Islamic male chartity but anyway…)Interesting concept, just wondering does insular view of the world only apply to Muslim lands or all others. Places like Rwanda spring to mind, big mistake should have just let them go for it then? How about Kosovo, Serbia I assume the yanks had no business there either?
All seems a bit muddled and bi polar to me.
Oh care to elaborate on what exactly are these Western Values exactly. You sound like a recent SE Asian dictator when pushing back against humanist values such as equal rights, democracy, the right for girls to have an education and the right not to live in fear. You know all the stuff Pakistan border regions are famous for.
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Oh I missed it Patrick is back :-)….Happy Days…
Patrick wasn’t that American citizen a known and self confessed killer of Americans and others? Kinda hard to execute an arrest warrant or should OB just wait until he came home for thanksgiving…just asking
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This week, our President Obama, has quietly deployed 100 combat equipped troops to Central Africa in an effort to advise governments on how to defeat the LLA. Is there a conflict in the world he cannot keep American troops out of?
At least the troops may be able to do some good in Central Africa Patrick. Even if its just some measure of personal security and allowing aid to reach the people it was intended for.
Personally I think he needs to work on issues closer to home.
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Pam says:
Brian you are spot on. Now it’s 2011 and Barry Barack Hussein Soetoro Obama has destroyed America as we knew it.
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Ok, so it’s ok for the US to impose Western Values (sic) in central Africa but not in some other places.
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Oigal
No use whining about Sharia when other religious numpties are granted the same concessions and exceptions to the rule of law (If I hear one more nonsense claim about how Christianity provided us with democracy..I am going to vomit).
Then what to think about an organization like ‘Sharia 4 Belgium’ which has declared openly on its website that their goal is to overthrow democracy and replace it with a sharia state in Belgium.
They are probably an offshoot from ‘Islam4UK’ which was proscribed under the UK’s Counter terrorism laws in 2010 and whose leader was the British muslim extremist Anjem Choudary. In Belgium however they are still active, causing mayhem when and wherever they find a pretext, like disturbing lectures in universities and threatening to kill lecturers who are critical of radical Islam.
Christianity may or may not have provided us with democracy, a christian website calling for the dismantling of a democratic country and turn it into a vassal state of the Vatican will no doubt be hard to find.
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Then what to think about an organization like ‘Sharia 4 Belgium’ which has declared openly on its website that their goal is to overthrow democracy and replace it with a sharia state in Belgium.
ET, yesterday I pointed out some other examples on the Norway Shooter thread. Like any other group, devout Muslims may try and advance their cause, its human nature. What is alarming, is when that cause is supported by the secular State in European countries.
But Sharia is not just making inroads in Pakistan but actually creeping in the West – particularly in Europe.
One area especially touched by this phenomenon is the judicial system in Europe. Two recent cases in Italy and France are particularly troublesome. First, in Italy, three members of a Brescia-based Maghrebi family (father, mother and eldest son) were accused of beating up and sequestering their daughter/sister Fatima because she wanted to live a “Western” life.
In the first trial, the three were sentenced for sequestration and bad treatment. The court acknowledged that the teenager was “brutally beaten up” for having “dated” a non-Muslim and in general for “living a life not conforming with the culture” of her family. But on appeal, the family was acquitted because the court deemed that the young woman was beaten up for “her own good.”
Yep for her own good (Remember this is in Europe not Saudi Arabia.)
The people responsible for this happening in Europe are not the Muslims. The people to blame are the self labeled Liberal progressive types. You see them on IM,denying it is even happening and ranting angrily about Xenophobia. They are the real problem in the West, not the Muslims.
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stevo,
I prefer to form opinions based on the circumstances and real world outcomes, rather than forming opions based on an adobted ideology. Thats why I dont support Obama, just because he has more of his dads skin tone than his mums, for example.
Your “opinions” can be anything between stating the communist ideology is great, accusing the US of promoting marxism and having no sympathy with a group of innocent kids being slaughtered by a madman.
Look stevo, you shouldn’t be surprised you’re the subject of ridicule if you keep on running around between extremes here. You once said you regretted that Norway statement (including the poor math work) but here you are once again bringing it back alive:
Why are liberal marxists not crying rivers of fake tears over the dead kids, like they did in Norway? (maybe because the dead Muslims really were “kids” ?)
Really wonder what’s the purpose of such behaviour (other than trolling)?
Oigal,
ET raises a valid point.
The majority of Christians in Western Europe (cannot speak of Australia, NZ and Canada and the US is probably an exception) understands that freedom of religion comes with an obligation to defend the right of people following other or no religions, have no ambition to establish the kingdom of god on Earth. Many, even moderate, Muslims have trouble accepting such an obligation.
But indeed those privileges for religions should be abolished and democracies should stop the outdated idea of acknowledging religions and start practicing “laïcité”.
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Lairedion, I was drawing parallels between the many thousands of dead (in the war on terror) and the small hand full in Norway. I thought it was obvious that I was not saying its ok to kill political activists. I was saying its not ok to kill anybody in the fight against radical Islam. I have said it in plain words a number of times. It’s a measure of your self absorbed thinking that you cannot acknowledge that.
If you cannot see my point, then that’s your issue not mine.
You are stuck on the fact I did not join the pantomime of grief over a few dead left wing agitators. Well get over it. Little dead Marxists, who were born with a silver spoon in their mouths, are NOT my biggest concern.
Really wonder what’s the purpose of such behaviour (other than trolling)?
How about answering the question?
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ET,
Actually ET not really that hard to find, start poking around the fringes of the tea party and you will find plenty calling for open revolution against a democratic government. Granted they are not calling for Sharia law but they are calling for a very selective form of government with extreme Christian views and life would be very unpleasant for those outside their particular “mindset”. That said it should not be construed that I have anything but contempt for anyone who tries to impose their teapot belief system on others.
My concern is the issue is brought to a pretty vile and superficial level ( this is where you come in Stevo) when we start referring to generic “they” as if they are all one bloody organism trotting all over Europe and the West honor killing and marching off to jihad. It’s tad more complicated than that.
We now have the equally disturbing situation in Australia for instance where to openly display the fact you are a Muslim will almost certainly invite pig ignorant abuse in the street, or school. Read the opinion/letters section of any of the major papers after the lad was arrested in Bali for hash recently. Of course, you and I know Bali is not Muslim but as I said the level of ignorance and the xenophobia that currently exists in Australia is not something the country can be proud of.
As I have said before, it would best if the authorities repealed those laws granting special privileges to ANY religion. I have nothing but contempt for Sharia law, I guess the fundamental ( excuse the term) difference between you and I is that I view the Christian right with equal concern and trepidation.
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Oh and just to take one of Stevies points (talk about silk purses from pigs ears) I do agree it is repulsive when what should be secular courts side with religion to allow brutal punishments and repression of freedom.
It gets complicated when Australian law for instance allows in some states Aborginal law to take precedence, including all those things such as arranged marriages, paybacks, scar ification. The Catholic tradition of at least one person must enter into “the service of god” is still very much alive in some quarters and you try and rescue someone from that particular cult, I can tell you from personal experience no easy matter and expect no help from the legal system. Kind of tough to demand the authorities act against “them” and Sharia when the whole system has always been white anted by various religious mobs clinging to their ill gotten and ill deserved places of privilege.
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When having these discussions it is easy to forget that the biggest victims (of radical Islam) are moderate Muslims that make up the majority. They are the ones subjected to oppressive rules and then have to put up with anti-Muslim sentiment on top of it all. Its lose/lose for them.
I have yet to hear one of my Muslim friends crying out for the sorts of things we hear about in the news. They don’t seem to have a problem with Christians and in fact it is often the Christians who are less tolerant. As an atheist, I find it easier to just see my Muslim, Christian, New Age, friends as all equally misguided, though it never seems to be a problem and none have launched Jihads or Crusades against me yet. The most irritating (and immune to reason) are the New Agers.
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The Georgia Office of State Administrative Hearings has accepted the case questioning whether or not President Obama will be eligible to be on the ballot for Georgia in that it is believed that he is not a natural born citizen. The case is to be heard on January 26, 2012.
Well this this should settle things…… maybe !
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D says:
You’re missing the significance of him being born in Hawaii supposedly. In Hawaii, a Certificate of Live Birth resulting from hospital documentation, including a signature of an attending physician, is different from a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth(Obamas documentation). For births prior to 1972, a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth was the result of the uncorroborated testimony of one witness and was not generated by a hospital. Such a Certificate could be obtained up to one year from the date of the child’s birth. For that reason, its value as prima facie evidence is limited and could be overcome if any of the allegations of substantial evidence of birth outside Hawaii can be obtained. For example, any evidence that he had citizenship outside the U.S. that was credible(the Indonesian connection). In the end hes implementing dictatorish policies in the U.S., thats why he shouldn’t be President. Ron Paul 2012!
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Laugh, Thanks D I thought the nutters had all gone away and we do so enjoy the input.
The Indonesian connection, that is so laughable to us here as everyone knows that is damn near impossible for a foreign born person to gain Indonesian citizenship under any circumstances.Perhaps you could enlighten us to what dictatorish policies he has implemented, from what see pretty much a Bush lite.
Yup Ron Paul, Obama’s best hope that Ron is successful nothing like another rich crank to drive the undecided into the Dem camp.
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Not going to argue over an internet message board about something so blatant as Obama’s authoritarian policies. He signed into law the ability to execute American citizens abroad. He signed into law the NDAA 2011 and its amendment that allows for indefinite detention and torture of U.S. citizens without trial if their suspected of being linked to dreaded boogeyman, and CIA created in 80’s, “Al-Qaeda”(according to Senator Levin, Obama was the one who wanted the amendment added). He has recently ‘recess appointed’ judges when Congress was not recessed, a clear executive power grab. In terms of being a warmonger, he has invaded Libya and placed Al-Qaeda in control(really), continued the drone bombing of Pakistan and is trying to instigate conflict with Syria and Iran(not to mention he didnt leave Iraq until the last year of his Presidency, oh and theres still 70000 U.S. contractors there slaughtering innocent Iraqis). Its clear America is trending towards blatant authoritarianism. We have been a corporate-dominated facism for decades with top business and government leaders swapping roles. Look at a picture of our Senate Chamber. There are 2 gold symbols on either side of the podium. You’ll notice they are a bundle of sticks with an axe head, festively festooned with a garland. The bundle of sticks with an axe head is called a fasci. This is the universal symbol of facism. Hope people understand what Obama’s about(ie. actually look at what he does as President) and what America’s really about.
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🙂 Well no one can accuse you of not providing a few laughs, the guy that bemoans the US for promoting Marxism across the world accuses others of “off-base” comments.
I have to ask do you actually recall anything you write or is there like 1/2 dozen little Stevie’s all beavering away between slurps?
L wrote
Sheesh…Speaking of off base, how on earth do you flip flop to saying you agree with ‘L’ your own quote was you had little sympathy for those killed as they were just leftist agitators to be followed up with
Sorry but its just not a rational or sane to try and draw comparisons between the war in Iraq/Afghanistan and the lunatic in Norway. In fact it is a pretty long bow to draw comparisons between the Afghanistan and Iraq let alone anything else.
Most rational people would agree even in their most anti – US day that the US/Coalition forces do not deliberately target unarmed civilians, women and children (shame the same could not be said about the those they oppose). Curiously you have neglected to mention the vast majority of causalities are inflicted by the radicals provided with cover, training and weapons by Pakistan (you remember your sponsor site?)and Iran.
A strong case could be made that perhaps the Coalition forces should not be there (more so in the Iraq case) by the same token an equally strong case can be made that some part of humanity had to take issue with regimes that consider throwing acid in the faces of unveiled women or girls trying to attend school is acceptable behaviour for human beings. If it was not the US and the coalition then who would it be although we all know who it should be.