World Football Codes
Oct 6th, 2008, in Asides, by PatungAs predicted by Andy, a “world football codes” topic, split off from US Financial Crisis, including stuff on the state of America, the Iraq war, references to ABBA songs, and a possibly blossoming cyber romance.
60 Comments on “World Football Codes”
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Patrick says:
@ PN – Great to see you back after that continental tour of Australia’s cesspools and water treatment plans. I bet the Mrs. was delighted to accompany you and with the opportunity to compare aromas. My bet is that your still #1
Ya and I truly missed that acerbic humor of yours as it is both a source of constant entertainment and outlandish comedy. You know its just too bad that God in His infinite judgment and reason did not allow Indonesia the opportunity to be the World’s only Super Power? Just for a moment imagine a world in which:
1. The Indonesian economy is the model of success for all nations to emulate
2. Indonesia promotes it’s brand of religious intolerance worldwide
3. Indonesia demonstrates to the world how it’s military dominated democracy can effectively stifle all home grown opposition to the government and carry on clandestine wars against peaceful citizens when they become inconvenient to business and or government aspirations.
4. The Indonesian public education system is held up as a model of efficiency to keep the underclass ignorant and impoverished.
5. The health-care system in Indonesia is promoted as the wave of the future to prevent medical costs from spiraling out of control by hiring mainly undereducated & unqualified doctors who see to it that no one trust the system. As a citizen either have money to pay by flying elsewhere or being poor & taking your chances at home!
6. Indonesia transportation system and pollution controls models are exported to other countries to foul the air, water and soil.
7. Indonesian companies take the lead in out of control gas mining operations so the rest of the world can have their very own ever expanding sink holes.
8. Indonesia promotes it’s efforts to stop official corruption. Just look the other way as what you don’t see or know cannot harm you.This could go on and on for days PN as it is quite amusing! Do you really want to talk football?
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Andy says:
Soccer is popular not only in Indonesia but elsewhere in the world because it is pretty much an easy game to play with few complex rules to worry about. Anyone can play of various sizes just as long as they are not too big and musclebound.
The contact sports on the other hand require a mental and physical toughness that I doubt many asians could handle and the rules of all these codes are generally more complex and strategic.In Europe there are no class restrictions meaning anyone from any background from working class upwards can play soccer in schools. Rugby on the other hand is largely a middle class sport and the majority are excluded by virtue of attending public schools. Ever noticed how many doctors and barristers play. Cricket in the UK follows the same class lines as Rugby.
American football is one of the most complex sports in the world. For this reason, there are several coaches and several officials as well. The coach even wears a headset so he can tell his quarterback which play they will run. Yes they wear padding but the injury toll is one of the highest in any sport in the world. And the average size of the players is about 280 lbs.
AFL (Aussie rules) is my favourite because it encaptures the very best of all sports yet has a uniqueness and spirit which I haven’t found in any other sport. And the fitness level would leave most other sportsmen in their wake if they took it up.
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kiwibali says:
The contact sports on the other hand require a mental and physical toughness that I doubt many asians could handle and the rules of all these codes are generally more complex and strategic.
dont underestimate us Andy, with a bit of practice we might just shock the world.
The rules in union, or league isn’t that complex, as long as you get the basic point of the game the rest is just common sense.Rugby (both league and union) is a beautiful game. I dont know why its not popular in Indonesia, it have the aspect that Indonesian love, as PN pointed out, of “combative blood sports”.
BTW league world cup is on soon, any prediction?
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BTW league world cup is on soon, any prediction?
Australia, easily. Will bet a few million rups on that…Hehehehe not much of a betting man am I. What about the Cox Plate then. Kiwis love horses too.
Indonesians love blood sports I know, but they prefer to watch than play.
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Purba Negoro says:
Clarification-
When we of the Third World refer to the West or the USA- we are referring to its’ Corporate Imperialist Government and Bureaucracy- NOT the relatively benign enslaved albeit deluded people.
The same goes for Australia and the UK- the deeply-rooted bi-partisan Government Imperialism and Militarist Corporatism is what people hate.
This is what Chavez and Ahmedinejad are referring to in their rhetoric.
It’s an unspoken yet assumed concept- this separation of US or (insert similar Satan here) and its heavily propagandised polemic yet ultimately still simple people with exactly the same hopes worries and dreams as any other enslaved inhabitant
Though their occasional stupid and ultimately delusional superiority attitudes are often repugnant too.
Most of us who are English literate have some experience in your nations- they are not as grand as you make them out to be.
All nations and cultures have both their flaws and their positives- none is entirely better than another- merely different balance of values and pros/cons.
So Andy, Patrick etc- don’t take the razzing too seriously.
It’s all banter or trash talk or what do the Aussies call it sedging, hedging..(some help)?To Andy- Hidup Johnny Wilkinson
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@ PN – Told you sudah that I like you as you are easily the funniest person on IM and a really crafty writer to boot (ya pun intended! : > ) Actually I rather like the razzing and hope you don’t mind it back? And no harm done at all and wish everyone here at IM was as cool as you mate. Its been awhile since I wore a uniform but I crisply salute you! Your a very worthy adversary!
OK enough of this teary, jerky, sniffling bullsh*t and before we all turn into a bunch of Blok M cross-dressing back alley whores, lets get back to our WAR! LOL!
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Ok Purba fair call, I will put a couple of bob on Indonesia to win the World Cup.
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Interesting getting back to the Philippines and Thailand they are the best boxers in SEA by a long shot. Some of my friends are Filipino boxing promoters and they are lining up for a shot at the action. Tough country which breeds tough athletes. Pound for pound as good as any in the world.
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Andy-
very much so.Many Aussies have been here training Indonesians too- I know Danny Greene boxed or coached a few times. There is one guy who has excellent boxer, married to an Indonesian- Achmad Sudarsono know his name.
There have been some excellent Indonesians- including former East Timorese Indonesian- Victor Ramos.
But generally bantem, flyweight etc
As you can imagine gambling and fixed fighting could be every lucrative here- one hypothesise.Like Phillippines- the best boxers here are from very hard parts of Indonesia- Timor, Flores, Sumba, Madura, East Java, Nusatenggara etc
Javanese, Batak and maybe East Javanese tend to prefer silat, kung fu and wushu (becoming very popular), kempo, karate, judo, jiujitsu, giyurio- but Thai kickboxing is considered stupid and crude.
Thai actually have something like the pencak silat- but I forget the name- maybe someone can help?Dayak, Irian etc actually are all known to be relatively placid unless provoked- then they usually fight as a clan or tribe.
Minang, Batak Palemangese, etc are generally brawlers but quick to be friends again.
A Javanese will smile politely maybe sungkem at you while he tusuk your back, then twist it.
Or you are abducted and turned into fish size chinks.Acehnese are riotous.
Buginese and Madurese are crazy and do bring a knife not afraid to kill someone, to a fist fight. We have the phrase something like: “You pick a fight with a Madurese- you better have a burial hole dug for you. Because his relative will be the one to finish the job if you killed his cousin.”
They are famous for not forgetting a grudge.Actually many Javanese, from very West Sunda, East or tough parts of Central Java- especially Boyolali, Wonogiri and surround where it is very dry and rice cultivation almost impossible are famous for fierce fighter- you would be surprised how much damage a thumb-sized traditional arit (rice-knife) blade will do (maybe only maximum 7 cm long- worn traditionally up the sleeve or in the crotch of the sarung).
Many have scars all over from practicing traditional knife-fighting as macho hobby-sport.Raffles’ and the Dutch was fond of recruiting such Javanese to fight in Sri Lanka and Hong Kong.
Boy Bolang- one of very best fighter- from Surabaya.
John Bima- also very good.
Like Mexican boxers- very very tough and hungry for success.Must be tough lives and the Jesuits…
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Patrick-
sadly we lack the tinkers and pikeys to enjoy beating the sh*te out of one anotherWhat is it with this link of Catholics and brawling and pugilism?
Mexico?
Norn Iron (northern Ireland)?
Philippines?
Timor in the future?
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Berlian Biru says:
It’s been a long time indeed since the Irish, north or south, produced a decent boxer and I’m surprised you left out the Cubans.
But actually the best boxers are usually protestants, a particularly evangelical form of protestantism originating from the southern states of the USA (the odd one even converts to Islam) but I doubt it is their religion as opposed to a rather more obvious factor that gives them their pugilistic abilities.
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@ PN – Ya, we Catholics like nothing better to do than fight. I guess it’s all that sexual frustration of not being able to have pre-marital sex building up inside us and then needing some kind of release. And you just know all that extra -testosterone has to make us strong and crazy like a bull and ready to knock someone’s, anyone’s, block off! Thank you very much! Then you couple that sexual frustration with the anger of being impoverished and being told you have no future and along with the memory of Sister Agnes or Brother Tom (that was a ruler you hit us with right?) beating the daylights out of you in school makes you madder than a swarm of African bees heading North across the Rio Grande.
One of my favorite scenes in any boxing movie is from “Raging Bull” starring Robert De Nero. He plays the (boxer son of Italian immigrants in NYC) role of Jake La Motta probably one of the most feared boxers in history because of how truly nuts he was inside a ring. Before one of his big fights his really beautiful and mucho seksi girl friend tries to play a real sweet tune on his skin flute (if you catch my meaning?) but he abruptly pushes her aside and runs into the bathroom and takes a full bucket of ice and water and spills it down inside his shorts! This reinforces the old boxing axiom that Sex right before any fight is a big NO-NO! Takes the legs right out of a fighter and now you know why Catholic fighters are so damn good and besides the fact that we couldn’t get laid inside an Ancol whore house with a fistful of $100 USD in our hands because we are all so damn ugly from all that boxing! Ha ha ha!
@ Berlian Biru – don’t forget all the great Italian boxers and now the Russians!
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@ Marisa – Not sure if you will see this or not but it is an article appearing very recently in the NY Times about the high suicide rate in the US Army since the Iraq invasion. I remember that you were concerned if the public in the USA was exposed to this type of negative press? Hopefully, you will see first hand that the USA is a fairly open society and our media does indeed expose us to the good, the bad, and the ugly!
Army and Agency Will Study Rising Suicide Rate Among Soldiers
By LIZETTE ALVAREZ
Published: October 29, 2008 NY Times
Conceding it needed outside help in figuring out why the suicide rate among service members was rising, the Army announced plans on Wednesday to collaborate with the National Institute of Mental Health in an ambitious five-year project to identify the causes and risk factors of suicide.
The Army will make thousands of soldiers available to researchers for interviews and will provide access to its many databases, including those with medical, personnel, criminal and deployment histories. Researchers will draw from a cross section of the Army and will include soldiers who have just joined the service or are training for war and those who have returned from war.
Rather than wait until the study is completed, the National Institute of Mental Health will provide the Army with new information as researchers find it in the hopes of preventing soldier suicides.
Peter Geren, the secretary of the Army, described the five-year, $50 million study as a “landmark undertaking” modeled after the Framingham Heart Study. That influential study looked at heart health over a long period of time among a large group of participants who had not yet developed symptoms or suffered a heart attack.
“The goal is to build resiliency and to prevent suicide,” said Mr. Geren, who approached the National Institute of Mental Health with the idea to partner on the project.
Suicides in the Army have been climbing since the 2003 invasion of Iraq. In 2007, 115 soldiers killed themselves, a rate of 18.1 per 100,000 people, or 1 percent lower than the civilian rate.
Of the 115, 36 soldiers killed themselves while deployed overseas, 50 had deployed at some point before the act and returned, and 29 had never deployed. Only a fraction had a prior diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder.
The pace of suicides by soldiers in 2008 could eclipse last year’s. As of August, the number stood at 62 confirmed cases in the Army. An additional 31 deaths appear to be suicides and are under investigation.
Dr. S. Ward Cassells, assistant secretary of defense for health affairs, said the Army was familiar with the most common triggers: marital or relationship problems, poor job performance, feelings of failure on the battlefield and alcohol or drug abuse. Yet, in half the cases, Dr. Cassells said, the Army cannot figure out why the suicide occurred.
“We’ve reached a point where we do need some outside help,” Dr. Cassells said. “We’ve learned a lot. We’ve also learned we don’t understand it all.”
Dr. Thomas R. Insel, director of the National Institute of Mental Health, said researchers would study, among other things, the role that combat and multiple deployments play in suicide. They will conduct follow-up surveys of soldiers to show how risk factors evolve over time and shift their focus, as they see fit, depending on what they find. The study also will look at existing treatments and gauge their effectiveness.
The findings could be far-reaching not just for the Army but for civilians, as well, Dr. Insel said.
“The Army really is a microcosm of the nation,” he said. -
On a lighter topic and one closer to the thread…congrats to the Phillies for winning the World series and commiserations to the Tampa Bay team and particularly Grant Balfour their Aussie pitcher. And go you Aussies in both the rugby and International rules this weekend. We will kick ass as always.
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@ Andy – An Aussie pitcher named Grant Balfour! – You do realize the irony of a pitcher having that name? For those of you who do not follow baseball saying “ball four” are the last words a pitcher wants to hear from the umpire because it means that he has given the batter a free base based on his bad pitching. No wonder why Tampa lost ha ha ha!
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@ All NY Giant Fans – Big Blue defeated the much despised and once feared Dallas Cowboys with a score of 35-14. The best part of this laugher was of course checking out the always beautiful and incredibly awesome Cowboy cheerleaders! Unlike the football team they cheer for those ladies are still tops in American football and most likely any kind of football found in the world so you Aussies,Indonesians and Dutchmen and whoever else enjoy sports eat your collective hearts out!
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Yep saw that. Am watching the Steelers / Redskins game right now and at half time it looks like it will be much closer than yesterday’s game.
Don’t forget in less than an hour the Melbourne Cup is running. Get your bets on. I’m on Zipping as he is truly Australian and should get up with the great spirit of our pasy champs like Pharlap and Archer. We have a holiday here today. Much better to celebrate a holiday which honours a horse race than a make believe book written centuries ago.
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Oigal says:
saw Aussie fans during their World Cup success (under the guidance of brilliant Dutch manager Guus Hiddink) in Germany in 2006 screaming: “From now on it’s football in stead of soccer”
In your dreams!
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Geordie says:
PN asked
Thai actually have something like the pencak silat- but I forget the name- maybe someone can help?
Krabi Krabong might be what you’re reffering to though being unfamilair with the styles of Silat, I can’t be sure. Muay Thai in its present sport form is comparatively new and had its genesis in regional styles (of which there are many) so is it possible there might be a direct or indirect link between one or more Silat schools? Given that the archipelago stretches so far, I would assume as many, if not more, regional variations of Silat as the ancient Siam schools had of what now is referred to as Muay Thai.
Krabi is, principally, a martial (in the true sense of the word) art in that it is primarily an armed discipline. In this way it can be likened to the various Japanese (excl. Okinawa where Kobujutsu and Kobudo were practised) ryu (schools) of Kenjustu and Iaijutsu, of which Kendo and Iaido are the non-leathal forms. Should a Samurai become disarmed, for the purposes of this discussion we’ll stick with male Samurai only, he would resort to an empty hand system referred commonly to as Jujutsu until he could recover his sword. Not that a Samurai only used a sword (katana); he carried a second, shorter one called a wakizashi (collectively the two swords are reffered to as Daisho) and and a dagger called a tanto though as a Samurai, he was expected to be proficient bow and halberd too but this is an aside.
Returning to point, Krabi follows the typical path of martial arts proper, in that once disarmed a warrior would resort to naked techniques, ie, techniques directly derived from the armed ones but delivered by hand, elbow, knee, shin. I assume that this follows true for Silat?
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@ Geordie – Some years back I studied Shorin-ryu Okinawan Karate (The chinese monks brought kung-fu first to Okinawa and that later developed into karate) and I was confused by your reference to the Japanese Samurai being credited with open hand combat? The reason is that karate actully means open hand in Japanese. The Okinawans were highly proficient in the system of combat and when faced with a fully armed Samurai they were often able to defeat the Samurai only using their hands and feet. The Japanese samurai were amazed and also feared the practitioners of karate that they banned formal training of Karate and also weapons such as swords. That did not stop the Okinawans who turned simple farmer tools into weapons and developed several dances to fool the Japanese who did not realize they were actually karate movements.
Note to all you NY Giant fans out there that Big Blue defeated the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday night to up their record to 8-1 in the highly competitive NFC East Division.
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Patrick, there’s some debate as to how and to whom To-te was vouchsafed into Okinawa but pretty quickly after its introduction it evolved into three proto-karate ryu namely naha-te, shuri-te and tomara-te which were, like most evolutions, regional based. Karate wasn’t so named until Gichin Funakoshi codified a syllabus into kyu and this made it more acceptable to the Japanese, that is, change To-te (China Hand) to Karate. Funakoshi named this syle Shotokan (literal translation: Shoto’s house) after himself, his nom de plume was Shoto.
The collective name for the Okinawan weapons is Kobu and the suffix ‘jutsu’ or ‘do’ describes whether it is the martial or non-leathal form. These weapons, as you quite rightly point out, were typically farm implements the best known being bo (long staff), jo (short staff, similar in length to Escrima sticks), tonfa (millstone handles) sai (short pitch forks) and, of course, nunchaku.
As far as the samurai being credited with ’empty’ hand combat is an historical fact though to be absolutely correct (I agree, in modern ‘martial’ art politics, semantics does matter a great deal to a great deal of practitioners) I should have ascribed jujutsu as ‘naked’ as opposed to ’empty’.
Jujutsu is the naked, lethal form of Judo (itself a much later derivation of Jujusu) derived from techniques (waza) centred upon ‘shime’ (strangles); kansetsu (locking but more likely breaking in the martial setting); ‘nage’ (throwing) and ‘ne’ (grappling).
Undoubtedly there would have kicks and strikes involved as well but trying to effect them in combat, whilst armoured, would have been difficult and if a samurai was disarmed the last thing he’d want to do is maintain a fighting distance conducive to use them because this would permit his opponent (presumably still armed) to effectively use his sword. In this regard, it would have been imperative for the unarmed soldier to close distance to neutralise the threat and deal with, in this context, kill the opponent, as quickly and efficiently as possible.
Now whether To-te’s introduction into Okinawa pre-dates the development of Jujutsu is not germane to the point I was making; indeed I wasn’t even making a point but seeking clarification. It is even possible that the ’empty’ techniques fo Okinawa and the ‘naked’ techniques of Japan developed simultaneously though what is, in my opinion, beyond doubt is that they have a different root and evolved separately for a very different set of circumstances.
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@ Geordie – I think you are right jujitsu and karate developed in different ways and at different time periods. I studied some kenpo karate as well and jujitsu was part of that system but the Okinawan style of Shorin Ryu was all hard punches and kicks and therfore more pure to the Sholin style of Kung-fu which it was developed from after the Chinese monks introduced it to Okinawa.
@ All you New York Giant fans – Big Blue continues to roll through the best that the NFL has to offer as they beat the Baltimore Ravens by a score of 30-10. The Giants also ran the ball for more than 200 yards which was quite a fete as no team before them gained more than 80 yards on the number one ground defence of the Ravens. Next game is this coming Sunday against the Arizona Cardinals 4PM EST.
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I think the Cardinals can upset your big blue Patrick. The way they are tossing the pill with the general Kurt Warner and the guns in Boldin and Fitzgerald putting up huge numbers and points, they can pretty well beat anyone at the moment. NY Jets are also doing well, they have Brett Favre now and are flying high while Green Bay aren’t doing as well without him. Wrong move i’d say. What odds an all NY Superbowl?
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@Andy – The problem I see for the Cardinals is who is going to stop the Giants league leading rushing attack? Doesn’t matter what Kurt Warner and the rest of the Cardinals can do if the Giants keep running! That’s called ball control and if you don’t have the ball most of the football game you have been in effect successfully neutralized. Giants win! As for the Super Bowl matchup being all New York that would be fantastic!
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@ All you NY GIANTS FANS! Big Blue without 2 of it’s most potent offensive weapons defeated the Arizona Cardinals, this past Sunday, by a score of 37-29. Plaxico Burress (only 3 plays) their star receiver and Brandon Jacobs the star running back for the G-men were sidelined on Sunday due to injuries but no matter as their replacements more than adequately filled in for them. The Giants with the most difficult schedule in the NFL are now 10-1 and continue to dominate the opposition week after week.
Moe NFL news!
The NY Jets easily dominated the previous unbeaten Tennessee Titans by a score of 34-13. What a difference a year makes and adding future hall of famer quarterback Brett Favre to the Jets roster . As Andy said this could be the season when two New York Teams go on to the Superbowl. NYC would go crazy if that happened! -
@ All you BIG BLUE fans – The NY Giants extend their NFC leading record to 11-1 as they defeated the Washington Redskins on Sunday by a score of 23-7. In related news WR Plaxico Burress the Giants star receiver sot himself in the leg Friday night while at a disco club in New York City. The wound was described as not serious as the bullet passed cleanly through and he is expected to make a speedy recovery. Ah! American sportsmen anything but dull!!!
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The NY Giants suffered their second loss of the season and their first loss at home today against the surging Philadelphia Eagles. The final score was 20-14 and this also marked the first conference loss for “Big Blue”. Speculation is that the distractions of the week contributed to the loss as the media has been camped outside their practice area in attempt to get stories about Plaxico Burris (star player) shooting himself the week before in a NY night club.
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elsadra@ymail.com says:
US Financial Crisis really has influenced many aspect of life, although it is not the only one.
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David says:
“When we of the Third World refer to the West or the USA- we are referring to its’ Corporate Imperialist Government and Bureaucracy- NOT the relatively benign enslaved albeit deluded people.
The same goes for Australia and the UK- the deeply-rooted bi-partisan Government Imperialism and Militarist Corporatism is what people hate.
This is what Chavez and Ahmedinejad are referring to in their rhetoric.”
Genius 😀
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Andy-
Aussie rules football appears to be entirely homo-erotic fantasy material.
No wonder you nlove it- I’m sure the wife gets some Greek loving after your team wins.
Nothing but muscle-marys’ prancing about in skin tight hot pants, grappling one another to the ground.
Andy loves it when his mucle-marys’ ball-handling skills develop into an all out orgy of man-man rucking.
It’s Greco roman wrestling with clothing.
Being a former rugger bugger myself (fly half) and near victim of Anglophone homoeroticism- by one too many friendly Nigels- I would have to agree, Rugby the sport of Oxbridge gents, is far better than the plagiarised Celtic Football without the masculinity of the Ostrayans weak-as-water AFL.
But to Andy, football (the world’s game) will always be “wog-ball”. Too hard and complex to be played by Irish descended flotsam of petty cirminals living out heir transportation sentences.
Sports is merely an opiate for the mindless to escape from the harsh reality.
Interestingly the US, UK and Australia al have high levels of professional sports- yet the worst cases of Imperialist aggressive militarism- too mindless vainglorious to realise 600,000 dead blameless Iraqi civilians is more than 20,000% of the Sep 11 farce (3,000) and not one dead Saudi (despite Saudi’s being the source of funding for Bin Laden, best recruiter for al Qaeida and homeland to almost all the Sep 11 hijackers).
But the Great Satan knows best- or so their mindless provincials happily delude themselves on monosyllabic Fox News and Freinds.
Ever noticed too- how only the Americans seem to say the world would NOT be better without America?
Russians?
Chinese?
Europeans?
The world consensus would be indeed, the world would be far better off without Uncle Sam’s illegal imperialism and warrs for corporate profit- including Vietnam and Kellog-Brown-Root as proud owners of LBJ since his days as a Texas senator (but too many Yanks are far too illiterate to work that one out)
Marisa-
wrong again.
Indonesians and Javanese especially love combative blood sports involving gambling.
C#ck fighting?
Buffalo-tiger fighting?
Cockroach fighting?
Spider fighting?
Bull racing?
Sumba horse-racing?
Silat contests?
Tinjuk (boxing)?
We Indonesians love our sports to be combative- not pretend.
Like the pre Marquis of Queensberry rules boxing as ruined by the moral-dilemma riddle do gooder party-pooper middle classe and their Christian man’s burden (precursor to White Man’s Burden)- was loved by the poor and wealthy alike- happily gambling on two idiots killing one another.
A number of Australians have been active in the Indonesian boxing scene- including Danny Greene as coaches.
As usual the pansy middle-class ruin traditional fun and invent their own lame “fair play” type silliness like cricket.
American Football is just stupid- oversalaried fatsos colliding into one another with the benefit of padding and protection- making them appear far bigger and dangerous than they truly are. Self aggrandizement, blinkered glorification of sits’ own pointlessness and stupidity and complex rules for no real reason- it is America in a nutshell .
Don’t get me started on the Septic Tanks.