Women in Mosques
Sep 17th, 2007, in News, by PatungWomen are not allowed in the Sultan mosque in Ternate.
Women & Their Unholy Voices
While almost all mosques in Indonesia allow women to come inside and pray, although they have to sit behind the men, the Sultan mosque in Ternate, North Maluku (Maluku Utara, Malut) (map) is unique in forbidding women from entering.
Djafar, a local figure, explains:
Only men can pray in this mosque, women are not allowed. This is an old tradition and has never been broken.
The mosque’s cleric, Ridwan Dero, says the reason for the banning of women is to protect the holiness of the place:
If women pray here then their menstruation might suddenly start. Apart from that the men who come to pray here might be bothered by seeing women or hearing their voices.
There are no exceptions to the rule at any time.
Men & Their Holy Trousers
The men who come are required to wear long trousers – wearing of sarongs only is not sufficient – and they must also have the top of their heads covered by a kopiah or sorban.
Ridwan Dero explains that by wearing trousers the men show that they have truly prepared themselves to face God. Dero says that when men are standing up while praying, and wearing trousers, the position of their legs forms the words “lam alif“. Lam alif represents the two statements of the Muslim confession of faith, “there is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet”. In this way men who wear trousers show in physical, visible form that they believe in the confession of faith.
Guards are on hand, perhaps similarly to those at the Baiturrahman mosque in Aceh, who advise men who arrive in only sarongs to go home and get changed, or just go to another mosque.
Similarly the wearing of headwear is required as a sign of respect to God. The guards have spare caps to lend to visitors should the latter have forgotten their head-wear. mediaindo
The Menara mosque in Semarang, Central Java, is another old mosque which does not allow women, although the reasons are not stated. It is used mainly by Indonesians of Arab descent. indosiar
219 Comments on “Women in Mosques”
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Julita says:
This is a forum/discussion and everybody has the right to express their own opinion. Yes, you as well as I. I never start criticizing others, to me they have their own opinion and it is not my business. Though don’t start pointing at my side. Yes, my side, just like others, is not blameless, though there are many things you don’t know/understand as I don’t know about yours. My posting is more to clarify.
I am a Christian, and to me you are all God’s children, I will never bypass God. I put all in His hands.
I am at peace as I hope peace is within each one of you.
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Friends in Faith , we recently discuss the Holy Bible.‘hate thy father’ some got hung up on one word ‘hate’ people tend to forget Jesus’ innumerable act and teaching of love. Why didn’t our fore fathers/editors change it into ‘love your father less if you want to follow me ‘ simpler to the human mind.
Judas Iscariot: ‘then he went off and hanged himself’ (Matthew 27.3-8) “he fell to his death; he burst open and all his insides spilled out.” (Act 1.18-19). We have no problem understanding it and also for God there is nothing impossible. Though why did the writers/translators did not quote it exactly word by word to please the human mind?
It shows the authenticity of the Holy Bible. See Revelation 22 18-19
“¦”¦”¦.if anyone adds anything to them, God will add to his punishment the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes anything away from the prophetic words”¦”¦”¦”¦”¦,God will take away from him his share of the fruit of the tree of life and of the Holy City,”¦”¦”¦”¦”¦”¦
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Today is the feast of St. Francis, it is too beautiful to keep it to myself so I share it with those who wants to learn from it.
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Prayer of St. Francis
Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love,
Where there is injury, pardon,
Where there is doubt, faith,
Where there is despair, hope,
Where there is darkness, light,
and where there is sadness, joy.
O Divine Master, grant that
I may not so much seek
to be consoled, as to console;
To be loved, as to love;
For it is in giving that we receive—-
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned:
And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.Will check back in Spring
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dewaratugedeanom says:
Sputjam said
God says that we will be brought up to life after our death to face judgement.
God never said anything to me, neither did he to you I suppose. Your convictions come from the words of a so-called prophet, a character whose walk of life seems hardly trustworthy to me.
Just try to imagine how immense and complex the universe is and how small and meaningless we are compared to the processes that take place. Do you really believe the Supreme Being has nothing better to do than to reward or punish every one of us on doomsday? Don’t you think we are overestimating ourselves?God guides those who seek the straight path. It seems to me that you do not believe in God.
Unless proven otherwise I believe in an Ultimate Reality that is intellectually still not fully known to us. I emphasize the word ‘still’ because through research and development I hope we may be able one day to unravel its mystery, the power that fuels the universe and makes us humans do what we have been doing since we walked this earth. I believe that when that day arrives we will come to understand our final destiny, whatever this may be and provided we still have not annihilated ourselves. In the mean time we can only speculate.
This Ultimate Reality has different names in Eastern philosophy: Brahman in Hinduism, Dharmakaya in Buddhism, Tao in Taoism. It cannot be described in deterministic terms but is experienced in a non-dualistic, dynamic and holistic way, immanent in everything and at the same time transcendent. Like an Unmoved Mover, not some personal god who will judge each one of us for our petty individualisms.From the Isha Upanishad (Hindu)
He who serves pure Being
As well as eternal Becoming,
Exceeds forever death by Being,
Reaches immortality by acting in eternal BecomingThe holy scriptures did not invite us to any religion. Its messages were to have faith in God and to always be righteous and avoid evil.
We even don’t need Holy Scriptures to be righteous, do good deeds and avoid evil. Also hardcore atheists will agree with this. Morality is the result of experience and education and is to a certain extent dependent on time, place and circumstances (desa, kala, patra). As these factors aren’t static phenomena but subject to evolution and refinement, so are morality and the laws that are based on it. Therefore law systems like syariah that pretend to be godgiven for all places and all times have a wrong starting-point and should not be made universally compulsory.
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@Hassan.
No need to argue in circles using this pedantic madrassah- or pesantren styled approach. With your apparent education you should realize very well where the hostility Islam encounters comes from. If suicide attacks on civilians even children, mob violence or intimidation, and intolerance or oppression of dissentients don’t convince you, nothing else will. Instead of focusing complacently on Islamic philosophy try to observe reality too.
BTW, you are mistaken if you think I spend my time hanging around anti-Islam websites. I am on the move a lot so I don’t have need for a permanent internet connection but rely on outside facilities. Most of my postings for IM I prepare offline. -
Sputjam says:
For the believers, koran is a book that contains no contradictions and is complete. So if there are translation mentioning worship of God, and does not contain how and when and where it should be done, therefore that translation is questionable.
1.5 billion (so I was told) muslims worship towards a stone embedded in a cubicle structure 5 time everyday. And for what? most of these people do not even understand a word they are muttering (in arabic). So God only understand only one language that is arabic. All these rituals does not make sense. where does this rituals originate if not from the koran? Is not koran as complete book?
As I see it, God the Almighty does not require anyone to sustain Him. God is the Sustainer and does not require any sustenace from mankind. God is free of all wants. Why would he want anything from mankind. how many times was this repeated in the koran?
God does not require mankind nor does he any need for mankind. It is the other way round. It is mankind who needs God. So we should seek God for asistance, and not to worship Him.there are no contradictions in the koran. if jesus says he did not ask for any reward from mankind, how could he asked the masses for alms?
this translation cannot be correct ;-
19:29-31 “Then she pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is in the cradle, a young boy? He spake: Lo! I am the slave of Allah. He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet, And hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and hath enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive”
For Jesus was mentioned in the koran saying he did not ask for any monetary benefit. below translation is by kaseem salleh, in my mind more apprpriate :-
19:29 So she pointed to him. They said: “How can we talk to someone who is a child in a cradle?”
19:30 He said: “I am God’s servant, He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet.”
19:31 “And He made me blessed wherever I was, and He charged me with the Connection and towards betterment as long as I am alive.”In kassem salleh’s translation, connection
finally, it is neither the traditionalist nor progressive muslims who will guide you. for if you seek God and read the koran in submission and with good intentions, it is God who will guide you, if He wills. -
Korrill says:
@ Julita: It shows the authenticity of the Holy Bible.
Excuse me, but what shows the authenticity of the bible? The discrepancies? If that is what you mean, then you really, really, REAAAALLLLLY have to stop listening to all those christian apologists. That reasoning is a convoluted as saying Hitler was a good man because he killed all those Jews.
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Hassan says:
Sputjam:
So if there are translation mentioning worship of God, and does not contain how and when and where it should be done, therefore that translation is questionable.
Therefore Sputjam, there’s the Hadith to explain such things. Don’t you think Muhammad (pbuh) would explain to the early Muslims of his time what those verses about worship really meant? Did you think the Qur’an just dropped from the sky and don’t have any explanation, so we must use guesswork to translate what some words really meant?
And would acclaimed Muslims translators like Yusuf Ali, Shakir, and Pickthall translate something they have no knowledge about (i.e about worship)? That is a weak argument you got there.
most of these people do not even understand a word they are muttering (in arabic).
How can you be so sure that they don’t? And if they don’t understand, how much of them do understand? Have you ever conduct any research to verify that presumptions of yours?
So God only understand only one language that is arabic.
No, Allah SWT understands and knows everything. Why was the Qur’an revealed in Arabic? You should read the Qur’an more, as it was mentioned in 41:44 – Had We sent this as a Qur’an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would have said: “Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger) an Arab?”
God is the Sustainer and does not require any sustenace from mankind. God is free of all wants. Why would he want anything from mankind. how many times was this repeated in the koran?
And how many times should I repeat this, our worships and prayers are not meant as a sustenance for Allah SWT, for He does not need sustenance. Our worships and prayers are for our own good, and the benefit is for ourselves. This verse will answer your question, so please Sputjam, don’t ask that question again:
Qur’an 2:110 “And be steadfast in prayer and regular in charity: And whatever good ye send forth for your souls before you, ye shall find it with Allah. for Allah sees Well all that ye do.”
It was clearly mentioned that our worships and prayers are for our own souls, and Allah acknowledges them as an act of faith for obeying His commands, not as a sustenance.
there are no contradictions in the koran. if jesus says he did not ask for any reward from mankind, how could he asked the masses for alms? this translation cannot be correct
It could be correct, because it is you who have misunderstood the meaning of the interpretation. Jesus (a.s.) gave alms, he did not ask for alms, nor did he collect them. Can you see the difference between the words?
For Jesus was mentioned in the koran saying he did not ask for any monetary benefit.
He didn’t ask for monetary benefit, he gave monetary benefit for others. Now, did you finally notice the difference? He was not the church after all, how can his acts of giving alms be considered as asking for monetary benefit (asking for alms)??
He didn’t asked the people to give the alms to him so he can then distribute them to the poor, Sputjam. Why? Because he’s a prophet, not the Church or an establishment, so when he gave alms, he just personally gave them to the poor, period.
In kassem salleh’s translation, connection finally, it is neither the traditionalist nor progressive muslims who will guide you.
But Kaseem Saleh had no credibility either in his translation, his credibility is about the same level of yours or mine in the eyes of Muslims and Islamic scholars worldwide. Like I said, if anyone can interpret whatever they wanted from the Qur’an, why don’t you publish your own interpretations so that people might follow them? If you notice the sarcasm that is.
As I mentioned before, using the interpretations of people like Kaseem Saleh (or whoever they might be, people who don’t have credibility) is like using your high school science teacher’s theory while discussing the topic of quantum physics on an international science forum. They don’t have credibility in this regard, because their theories (translations) have not been acknowledged by the general public and the authorities on their respective fields.
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dewaratugedeanom
With your apparent education…
What is my apparent education, anom? FYI, I am a product of secular education, from kindergarten to high school. I went to a secular state university, taking Economics courses and graduated with honors. Now I’m working on the field of IT. I never attended any pesantrens, well maybe I took a one-week pesantren kilat course in my high school but I don’t think that counts. And I was never active in the ‘rohis’ or Islamic spirituality extracurricular organization in my campus years. Was that the apparent education you are thinking about?
Perhaps you had wrongly assessed my education as well, besides the fact that you have assessed my religion (Islam) incorrectly on the first place.
If suicide attacks on civilians even children, mob violence or intimidation, and intolerance or oppression of dissentients don’t convince you, nothing else will.
Well I thought you have been studying Islam, anom. Surely a scholar of your caliber should know the difference between studying Islam and studying Muslims, and how to differentiate the two. If you made a research about medieval Europe about the crusades, inquisitions, and witch hunts where women accused of sorcery are burnt alive in stakes then can you conclude that Christianity is evil? I don’t think so, not necessarily. Try to differentiate between the teachings of a religion and the behavior of some of the followers, which sometimes clearly deviates from the religious teachings.
No need to argue in circles using this pedantic madrassah- or pesantren styled approach.
And may I also suggest that you shouldn’t argue using this pedantic bigotry – or prejudice driven styled approach. Just to be even. 😉
Instead of focusing complacently on Islamic philosophy try to observe reality too.
I raised that point (about Islamic philosophy), because you mentioned this in one of your previous posts:
Christians believe that God created man in his own image, Buddhists believe that man’s destiny is to become a Buddha himself, Hindus state ‘You Are That’ meaning the soul and the Ultimate Reality are one”¦ all mayor religions try to elevate humanity to a level where the soul and the divine integrate.
Only Islam does not. Islam wants people to submit, to prostrate and be Allah’s slaves. And the rewards? Either an eternal orgy in the Gardens of Bliss or torment in Hell? Even a 3-year old child is skeptical about nonsense like this.First you mentioned the philosophical aspects of Christianity, Buddhism, and Hinduism but yet on the topic of Islam you can only regurgitate anti-Islam propagandas? That’s why I asked you to look up the topic of Islamic philosophy, for fairness sake. And to increase the credibility of your research, as a biased assessment does not reflect good on your reputation as a learned scholar.
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Hassan beleieved that the koran is an incomplete book, full of inconsistencies. That is why he reffered to the hadith and sunnah.
Do not follow the prophet. follow God’ s guidelines.
Even the prophet did not write the hadith and the sunnah. It could have been written by the evil ones.
That is why, you cannot see yourself worshipping stones, just like christians cannot see themselves worshipping a man.
your translators said :-
Qur’an 2:110 “And be steadfast in prayer and regular in charity: And whatever good ye send forth for your souls before you, ye shall find it with Allah. for Allah sees Well all that ye do.”
But it is impossible to do a prayer when it is not defined in the koran.
the only phrase I could see in the koran is – For the belivers you will be judged by your deeds alone.
You will not find a phrase in the koran that says :- you will be judged by your prayers alone.
The emphasis is on deeds and righteousness. as the verse according to aidid safar explains2:110 And uphold the commitments and endow its purity. And anything you advance for yourself from the good things that you do – you will find it by God. Surely, God is with every deed – observing.
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dewa said :-
God never said anything to me, neither did he to you I suppose. Your convictions come from the words of a so-called prophet, a character whose walk of life seems hardly trustworthy to me.
Just try to imagine how immense and complex the universe is and how small and meaningless we are compared to the processes that take place. Do you really believe the Supreme Being has nothing better to do than to reward or punish every one of us on doomsday? Don’t you think we are overestimating ourselvesThe scriptures are actually meant for people like you who do not believe in God.
In the scriptures, there are warning about people who are desribed as arrogants, even after they have observed the workings of the heavens and the earth and everything in it. The supreme being mentioned that He has no need for mankind. He is the only Reality. The Creator. Without Him, nothing will exist.Unless proven otherwise I believe in an Ultimate Reality that is intellectually still not fully known to us. I emphasize the word ‘still’ because through research and development I hope we may be able one day to unravel its mystery, the power that fuels the universe and makes us humans do what we have been doing since we walked this earth.
If you are trying to prove the non-existance of God, you will not find it according to the holy scripture. But maybe some day, you will understand God through His creations.
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Ade Wanto says:
Sylvester Says: The prove of islam discriminates women. Something that never seen in any other religions. The real GOD always treat all human same.
Is really for just one “prove” (prove of what) you use to say Islam discriminate woman? Oh. Come on.
Do you think forbidden entering the mosque for menstruation woman for no reason?
Oh. Come on.
Never seen in any other religion (discriminate woman?)
Oh. Come on.where is maurice?
this is morons!
hell oooooI wonder you have nothing knowledge about something commenting on a thing. Lu sinting, said Betawians.
And, you says, The real GOD always treat all human same.
What is your REAL GOD? These:
People of the Book (Ahlul Kitab), don’t transgree the bounds of your religion. Speak nothing but the truth about Allah. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was no more than Allah’s apostle and Allah’s Word and Allah’s apostle and do not say: “Three.”
Forbear, and it shall be better for you. Allah is but God. Allah forbid that Allah should have a son! Allah is all that the heavens and the earth contain. Allah is the all-sufficient protector.
The Messiah does not disdain to be a servant of Allah, nor do the angels who are nearest you to Allah. Those who through arrogance disdain Allah service shall all be brought before Allah. (Quran 4:171-172) -
Andrew says:
Ade Wanto, did you ever realize that what you quote does not mean a single darn thing to other people? Whatever is said and written by your prophet and in your book doesn’t mean a thing to us – just like whatever is said in our bible to you.
Why bother?
Unbeliever? duh, who’s the unbeliever? it’s all relative.
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Ihaknt Says: Gee guys”¦seriously, it’s not the religion, it’s the followers. In the end we are ALL human, of course we make sins. Nobody is perfect. Saying [insert religion here] has more sin than others is a sinful act in itself. Only God can judge. So why can’t we just respect each other? Who cares whose book is better, they all could have been written by someone at the right time and the right era! Arguing about religion will never give human a win win situation. Enjoy life!
This is the great comment I found in Indonesia Matters. Why we should fighting to each other in according to our differences. We are different so don’t why try to build a bridge to see each other rather than to dig the earth to buy a soap (see Marin Sorescu, “The Glass Wall” other page )
Only God can judge. So why can’t we just respect each other? Arguing about (differences amongst) religions will never give humanity a win win situation.
Enjoy life!
Let us listen to this song sing by Dire Straits:
Why Worry
Baby I see this world has made you sad
Some people can be bad
The things they do, the things they say
But baby I’ll wipe away those bitter tears
I’ll chase away those restless fears
That turn your blue skies into greyWhy worry, there should be laughter after the pain
There should be sunshine after rain
These things have always been the same
So why worry nowBaby when I get down I turn to you
And you make sense of what I do
I know it isn’t hard to say
But baby just when this world seems mean and cold
Our love comes shining red and gold
And all the rest is by the wayWhy worry, there should be laughter after pain
There should be sunshine after rain
These things have always been the same
So why worry nowIf a religion forbid her woman in period to enter the mosque, why do you worry? What reason for the other to worry?
Come on. Enjoy the life.
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Andrew says:
Ade Wanto, did you ever realize that what you quote does not mean a single darn thing to other people? Whatever is said and written by your prophet and in your book doesn’t mean a thing to us – just like whatever is said in our bible to you.
Yes, I agree, I can’t belief what in your bible. Your belief is Yours. My belief is Mine. Could you say a same thing to Sylvester, what do you intention to ask other belief, however, you do not knowledge about that at all.
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Janma says:
Only God can judge. So why can’t we just respect each other? Arguing about (differences amongst) religions will never give humanity a win win situation.
Great idea ade wanto, so maybe you could stop calling people morons, heartdead, blind, deaf and all the other insults you throw around in every post interspersed with mind numbing re-hashed rock songs and bad english.
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Sputjam:
If you are trying to prove the non-existance of God, you will not find it according to the holy scripture. But maybe some day, you will understand God through His creations.
Word of advice, brother: The reality of God is absolute. That I agree to. But I fear basing your conclusions of God’s existence on scripture could be the greatest mis-education any person can make. God exists – but not as man has depicted in his writings.
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korril:
Why didn’t He told us of His existence trough the Scriptures so that we might know what are we suppose to do in our lives?
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Why do you need someone to tell you what to do?
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Come to think of it, the koran was actually directed to :-
a) Children of israel
b) unbelievers/atheist
c) Idol worshipperswith a warning.
For those who believe and do good deeds and are righteous, for them there shall be no fear.
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Ihaknt says:
Janma it was my idea!!! AW just took credit from my post! 😀 eheheheh. I still think he’s on something. Maybe a new drug that he’s testing.
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that’s right, it was your idea Ihaknt! And I hope he is on something, cause if he’s not, then it’s a bit scarier.
Janma.
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@ hassan: Why didn’t He told us of His existence trough the Scriptures so that we might know what are we suppose to do in our lives?
Dude, the scriptures are man-made. All scriptures are. They are the reflection of the philosophy of the people who created them. The truth about God cannot be found in the writings of man.
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So where can we find the truth about God? Let me guess: science?
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I for one am not looking for any truth of any God, but that’s just me, everyone is entitled to think what they want for themselves, they are also entitled to NOT think for themselves and just swallow whole a paradigm or set of beliefs.
God, the origins of the universe and of ourselves is not something that is possible for us to understand totally, science and religion both are just our effort to understand the mysteries of life and the universe that we are in. the only thing that is certain is that there is mystery. The problem for me is when people start claiming they know without a doubt what or who God is and what he wants of us etc.. you should know you can’t state without a doubt absolute truths on these subjects, that’s why it’s called faith, it’s what people have faith in, because they can’t prove it and it isn’t provable, hence the word faith. It is a belief but it can’t be presented as fact, and although the origins of life are also an obsession of science neither can science claim absolute fact as it is rediscovering itself constantly. but the advantage of science is that there is a burden of proof and method involved before these things can be presented as possibilities or theories. These theories are open to debate and open to discovery and it doesn’t threaten us with fiery hells and insane punishments if we don’t believe it.
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Nice one, Janma! Nailed it right to the point. As Clarence Darrow said:
“Science gets to the end of its knowledge and, in effect, says, ‘I do not know what I do not know,’ and keeps on searching. Religion gets to the end of its knowledge, and in effect, says, ‘I know what I do not know,’ and stops searching.”
@ Hassan: Why not? Science is a tool of seeking knowledge. Use its principles in seeking the truth.
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If you follow the religious scripture, science can never prove the existance of God.
We have to discover God on our own steam. You will never discover God if you are in any particular religion, though you may feel good observing rituals.
Religion will enslave mankind to waste their efforts doing unnecessary things. (Observe the imams, monks priests etc). What useful work to these religious preachers do? All religion performs some form of idol worship.
Hence achievement of religious inclined countries/people are always behind those where religion is largely ignored, except in dictatorial countries, where the populace are forced to worship their leaders instead.
The scriptures are there for the doubtful. My personal opinion is that, if you have faith in God, then you will refrain from doing bad deeds(exactly opposite from those with religion where bad deeds are done in the name of religion). -
Was there anything about cars in the Quran? How did the inventors come up with lights, electricity, cars, aeroplanes, etc if they are not in the Quran? Does it mean it’s sinful to use those things these days cos it’s not in the Quran?
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Janma: I’m not anti-Science, Janma. I actually agree with what you said on your previous post. I’m not saying that we should only use religion to solve current issues, but I’m also against ruling out religion for such purposes.
I’m against the Science-only approach to understand things in our life, as some people had adopted. And I specifically don’t like korrill preposition and prejudice against religion, that it was man-made and that the truth about God cannot be found in religion. It was his right to say such things, but it was also my right to reject it.
Besides, it’s just going to be your words against mine, korrill will continue to say that religion is useless and I’ll always say that religion (along with science) is the key in understanding the truth in life.
Sputjam:
You will never discover God if you are in any particular religion, though you may feel good observing rituals.
The question is: have you ‘found’ God, Mr. Sputjam?
ihaknt:
Was there anything about cars in the Quran? How did the inventors come up with lights, electricity, cars, aeroplanes, etc if they are not in the Quran? Does it mean it’s sinful to use those things these days cos it’s not in the Quran?
I know you’re a bright person, but you have proven again and again that in the field of Islam or religion: you have missed the point. Besides, how would we know if something is in the Qur’an or not? We (Muslims) open the Qur’an.
Religion is not the same with spirituality, ihaknt.
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Thanks for the bright remark. I will just take that as a compliment, although coming from you, it probably has a double meaning. And what point is that Mr. Hassan? With you, you just go around the circles without being able to just give a straight answer. I am after a straight answer. Enlighten me, isnt that your duty as a Muslim to do that?
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I don’t understand where hassan said “how would we know if something is in the Qur’an or not? We open the Qur’an.” I don’t understand what you mean, could you clarify?
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Janma, exactly!! He acts as if he fully understands the Quran and yet made a remark “How would we know if something in it or not”. His credibility is questionable.
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Sputjam:
I do not need aidid safar to tell me the present people who had embrace the religion of islam had indeed abandoned God’s guidance.
Well then you shouldn’t need Safar’s translation on the Qur’an either. Let’s us use the translation of other more credible Qur’anic interpreters in our future discussions, like Yusuf Ali, Pickthall and Shakir whose translation were accepted by most Muslim authorities worldwide perhaps?
Because using the interpretations of a person of no authority in the Muslim world like Mr. Safar is like using your high school science teacher’s theory while discussing the topic of quantum physics on an international science forum. Both Safar and your high school science teacher in this regard had no credibility on the related field, their theories have not been acknowledged by the general public and the authorities on their respective fields.
Al Qur’an 5:3 “…This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion…”
Remember, no Aidid Safar translation! You didn’t need him, right? 😉
2:43 “And be steadfast in prayer; practice regular charity; and bow down your heads with those who bow down (in worship).”
Allah SWT does not need our worship or offerings, whatever good we’ve done is for our own good. If we worship Allah SWT, the benefit is for ourselves.
19:29-31 “Then she pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is in the cradle, a young boy? He spake: Lo! I am the slave of Allah. He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet, And hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and hath enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive”
Those are Jesus/Isa’s (a.s) words that pointed out that he prayed and gave alms (zakat) during his lifetime. Remember, no Aidid Safar counter translation, please.
Ahh, but those Muslims are not worshiping the stones of Ka’bah, they are actually worshiping Allah and only used the Ka’bah as a focal point or a directional point of reference during their prayers.
2:144 “We see the turning of thy face (for guidance) to the heavens: now Shall We turn thee to a Qibla that shall please thee. Turn then Thy face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque: Wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction.”
Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe it was you who have been led astray by Aidid Safar and his cult’s teachings? Or perhaps by your incorrect translation of the Qur’an? Is it remotely possible that those 1,5 billion people are actually correct and you are actually wrong? One person’s understanding against all those people’s, would Allah SWT choose to guide you but not all those people? If so, then you are one special person, even more special than the prophets. 🙂