Sharia Application
Aug 22nd, 2007, in News, by PatungSharia can be applied without making Indonesia an Islamic state.
Fuad Amsyari of the Crescent Star Party, Partai Bulan Bintang (PBB), said in Jakarta on 21st August that the basic form of the state, Pancasila, did not need to be changed in order that sharia be applied. Instead, every law that was made could incorporate Islamic law.
It was a mistake to think that sharia application depended on an Islamic state, he said, and there was nothing in Pancasila that prevented sharia law from being applied in Indonesia. Every government policy and law could employ sharia, he said, and no discrimination against non-Muslims would occur.
There will be no discrimination because in Islam there can be no discrimination.
Another PBB leader, Sahar L. Hassan, agreed that sharia could be adopted without altering the constitution, and hoped that it could be applied at the level of the state, however, someone convicted of theft in an area for which the state was responsible would not suffer hand amputation, but in ordinary theft cases hand amputation would occur.
Meanwhile, in the interests of the further application of sharia law, the PBB is inviting clerics from throughout the country and well-known figures such as Muhammadiyah leader Din Syamsuddin, NU leader Hasyim Muzadi, Majelis Ulama Indonesia leader Ma’ruf Amin, Siddiq Amin of Persatuan Islam (Persis), and representatives of Dewan Dakwah, Hizbut Tahrir Indonesia, Dewan Masjid Indonesia, Ikatan Wanita Muslimat Indonesia, and the Badan Komunikasi Pemuda Remaja Masjid Indonesia (BKPRMI), to attend a meeting in Bogor, 24-26th August.
During this meeting it is hoped that ways to apply sharia in all aspects of life can be discussed, as well as the means of bringing this about, and specific proposals that can be put to the government and parliament. republika
246 Comments on “Sharia Application”
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Julita says:
Aluang: before you give me a chance to provide proof.
Hello, hello! Still waiting, also about those women without souls.
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Cukurungan says:
Well, well, and did we forget the yellow man, how much should they pay? After 350 years of white man’s (Dutch) rule came the Japanese almost over night with a so called liberation of the colonizer. Soon many locals regretted the Dutch. Since my mother’s family lived in Batavia during this period I had first hand account of this period.
So how much should the Yellows pay for their brutality?
The yellow man, already made some payment for us or (look like payment) but because we still dumb those payment is still more benefiting the yellow men than us.
And how much does the ‘whiteman’ has to pay for the non-Muslims?
Maybe you should pay the ‘whiteman’ for doing the job of the good Muslims.Non-Muslim Tag Prices is $30million, this price is equal to the payment of every Britton and American killed in PANAM bombing by Libya Secret Agents.
Didn’t you know that we already paid in advance anything we use and consume because the whiteman liability toward us is still very huge
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
Assalamualaikum Sheikh Cuk,
These are the agreed percentage by the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia.
100% compensation if the victim is a Muslim man
50% compensation if a Muslim woman
50% compensation if a Christian man
25% compensation if a Christian woman
6.67% compensation if a non-Muslim man
3.33% compensation if a non-Muslim womanThe rate can change to 100% if they agree to follow the true path.
So if our Muslim brother each gets USD60M and sister USD30M, then non-Muslim man gets USD4002K and their unbelieving woman gets USD2001K.These are pretty fair deal if they want to continue disrespecting Islam and living amongst the true believers.
Salam.
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Pieter says:
These are the agreed percentage by the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia.
100% compensation if the victim is a Muslim man
50% compensation if a Muslim woman
50% compensation if a Christian man
25% compensation if a Christian woman
6.67% compensation if a non-Muslim man
3.33% compensation if a non-Muslim womanBut can you elaborate why a Christian would be at 50%/25% and a non-Muslim only 6.67%/3.33%. Aren’t Christians non-Muslims? What about Jews and Atheists? Why woman are values less than man?
Reminds me Apartheid.
Pieter
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Dear Pieter, Christian was mislead by Prophet Jesus who claimed to be son of Allah. It is not their fault to worship a Allah’s creature. Hope this answer your question.
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Djoko says:
dewaratugedeanom:
I’m just putting out the thought process that is involved and trying to let people know here that there’s no one clear definition on most Islamic matters. Why? Because I’m just concerned that people here (and around the world more generally) are coming to the conclusion that the ‘true’ Islam is all about wife-beating, child-molesting and infidel-slaughtering. That’s certainly some of the things which are being done by Muslims at the moment, but it is not Islam itself, and from what I have known and experienced of the religion it is most certainly not ‘true’ Islam.
What concerns me is that it appears that there are some non-Muslims who in fact seem to be happier if the wife-beating, child-molesting, infidel-slaughtering version of Islam istrue Islam. The reasons for which I’m not really sure of. In Indonesia perhaps it’s a defense mechanism as a minority against what is perceived to be a hostile majority. There is a sense of comfort and security in knowing that despite numerical inferiority, the minority can have a sense of spiritual superiority.
That’s all well and good. But based on what I have known about Islam, and the majority of Muslims I know, Islam isn’t the wife-beating, child-molesting, infidel slaughtering monster it appears to be here. Maybe it’s a different breed of creature here, Islam IM (as in Indonesia Matters, not Ikhwanul Muslimin heheh). But the Islam I know is not like that. So if I disagree with some of the ideas being put up here that’s only natural.
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Aluang,
No, it does not answer my question. As I was born into the Jewish faith but consider myself an Atheist I have my own opinion about Jesus in its historical context. But never the less, I respect his followers and see them as equal.
About the percentage of compensation I see no logical explanations of the in-equality. Actually in real life, pragmatic, as I am I see other developments not so much sustaining the claims.
Just one real life example; Over the last 30 years, Israel has released about 7,000 prisoners to secure freedom for 19 Israelis and to retrieve the bodies of eight others. A number of diplomatic efforts have been made to secure the release of Israeli IDF personnel following their capture by enemy forces.
1. In July 1996, Hizballah released the remains of two Israeli soldiers, Joseph Fink and Rahamim Alsheich, in exchange for the remains of 123 Lebanese soldiers.
2. In June 1998, Hizballah returned the remains of Sergeant First Class Itamar Ilya in exchange for the remains of 40 Hizballah soldiers, among them the body of Hizballah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah’s son who was killed in 1997.
3. In January 2004, in the largest prisoner exchange, Israel released a total of 436 prisoners including 400 Palestinians; 23 Lebanese; two Syrians; three Moroccans; three Sudanese; a Libyan; and a German Muslim. Israel also returned the remains of 59 Lebanese soldiers. Israel received the remains of three (3) Israel soldiers and the release of Elhanan Tennenbaum who Hizballah claimed was an Israeli intelligence officer. Sheikh Abdel Kareem Obaid, who Israel kidnapped from Lebanese territory in 1989, and Sheikh Mustafa Dirani, kidnapped in 1994, were among those released by Israel in exchange for its three(3) soldiers and intelligence officer.
4. In 1983, six (6) Israeli soldiers, held prisoner for more than 14 months by the PLO were exchanged for 4,500 Palestinian prisoners.
5. In exchange for three (3) Israeli soldiers held by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine General Command (PFLP-GC), Israel released 1,150 Palestinian political prisoners.I hope the above conflict will come to a peaceful end, but the defacto numbers do not sustain the claims of a Muslim being so much more worth than say Jew to take the above example.
It just does not add up to me and I assure you that I use “Arabic numerals” to add and subtract!
For me I still tend to believe that we all are equal, but if you still tend to claim to your superiority and claim to be an “Ãœbermensch” than that will be fine for me. We have seen that before and I am just trying to “bring light to the Goyim”!
Pieter
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Daniel Khaleel says:
Aluang, Cuk,
I’m sure that you would agree with me that Allah’s ways are higher than our ways. Allah’s thoughts are higher than our thoughts. Allah’s mercy is greater than our mercy, and Allah’s compassion is greater than our compassion.
Barriers between mankind are created by mankind. For instance, in the Rwandan genocide, the separation between Tutsi’s and Hutu’s was made by mankind. The colonialists measured the nose widths and some other features and applied an artificial labour to the different groups. Prior to that, both groups lived in unity. What resulted after that artificial separation was a terrible genocide. They no longer viewed each other as brothers, but as the enemy.
Would you agree with me that this was caused by men and not Allah?
If so, then why is there a separation between Muslims and non-Muslims? We were all created by Allah, and if Allah’s ways are higher than our ways, I’m sure that Allah loves us all equally – just as a parent love’s their child. That love is not based on the colour of our skin or the questions we have about religion. If you’re child chooses not to put their faith in you as a good parent, can you blame them for their un-answered questions? Surely you wouldn’t cut that child off and make them pay a tax. You would still love them and patiently wait for them.
If we humans, being evil, would not cast off our children for their sins, then surely Allah, being good, would not treat us – His children – any different. Don’t get me wrong, a time will come for ultimate judgement. At that time we will be judged personally and individually.
Aluang, as humans we are impatient. We are aggressive and hostile to each other. Any religion that exasberates those hostilities is surely polluted by men, or it is from the devil. Why would God seek to place barriers of hostility between his creation? Surely God is good, and both you and I are not in a position to say contrary.
I believe in the resurrection of Christ, and that through his death I have forgiveness of sins. I believe this is how God’s love is expressed for us most clearly. But I also believe Aluang, that you were created by God and that God loves you more than you know. When you make comments in support of Sharia and taxing non-Muslims I believe that is contrary to Allah’s divine will and disregards his love for you as an individual. I encourage you to accept that love.
Cuk, when you make statements that label whites, yellows, and browns, I believe that is also contrary to the law of Allah, because He created all of us and desires all of us to acknowledge and trust in Him – in His love. Let’s let go of petty differences and offences and realise that they are the problem of mankind. Allah is greater than us. He desires for us to be in relationship with Him – He desires peace between Him and ourselves. Our sin wars against that peace. And then He desires unity in our diversity.
Peace,
Daniel K
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Tomaculum says:
And why should the white and yellow men paying any reparation nowadays?
Because Indonesians are to silly to do anything in the 62 years “independence”? And now others should pay for those stupidity? Which white men?
And would the money reach the people need it? Or would it trickle away (in some special pockets)? Or would the (haram) money be using to establish sharia?
And if it is also failed, who would be the next to have to pay any reparation? The Arabs? Or God? Or any green or crimson men? -
tomaculum,
The Jews of course!
Pieter
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Sputjam says:
These are the agreed percentage by the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia.
100% compensation if the victim is a Muslim man
50% compensation if a Muslim woman
50% compensation if a Christian man
25% compensation if a Christian woman
6.67% compensation if a non-Muslim man
3.33% compensation if a non-Muslim womanGrand mufti is not God.
In islam of the koran, there is no clerics, no mosque. Clerics and priest will mislead and tax you financially for their own personal benefit.Text below from translation made by yusof Ali, a traditionalist (And probably a pagan Muslim religionist) who says one thing and do another. (hypocrite).
31. They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah. there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).
34. O ye who believe! there are indeed many among the priests and anchorites, who in Falsehood devour the substance of men and hinder (them) from the way of Allah. And there are those who bury gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah. announce unto them a most grievous penalty-
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Pieter,
it sounds (the thing with the reparation/compensation) like a joke or satire, but it shows the real way of thinking of most Indonesians.
Welcome to the real Indonesia with the real Indonesian!!! 🙂 or 🙁 ??Do you have noticed it, instead of thinking logically and with their own brain and feeling with their own heart some of those guys here just cite out of some books.
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dewaratugedeanom says:
Djoko said
What concerns me is that it appears that there are some non-Muslims who in fact seem to be happier if the wife-beating, child-molesting, infidel-slaughtering version of Islam is true Islam. The reasons for which I’m not really sure of. In Indonesia perhaps it’s a defense mechanism as a minority against what is perceived to be a hostile majority. There is a sense of comfort and security in knowing that despite numerical inferiority, the minority can have a sense of spiritual superiority.
The reasons are clearly stated in the Qur’an and Hadith itself. For sure the majority of Muslims don’t support wife-beating, child-molesting and infidel-slaughtering, just like non-Muslims don’t either. But how many Muslims have actually read the Qur’an and Hadith? If they would there would be certainly a lot less Muslims than today.
It’s about the message and ideology, not about the people who accidently were born in communities influenced by it. We don’t hate Chinese because of Chairman Mao and his Little Red Book. Or Germans because of Adolf Hitler and ‘Mein Kampf’.
Your statement about numerical inferiority and spiritual superiority is not relevant. The anti-Islam sentiment is spreading all over the world. You just have to read the papers and watch television to know why.
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Re,
The anti-Islam sentiment is spreading all over the world. You just have to read the papers and watch television to know why.
On the contrary, I am pro-Islam and opt for the complete version – no hold bar. If you support an ideology, you can only find out if it is working by adopting the full version. No country ever fully implement pure communism, and that was the reason why it had not been successful. My fellow Indonesians adopted Islam but diluted violent passages with peaceful Javanese belief. If they wanted Sharia, I support the Allah-certified version – wife-swapping, contract nikah, sex with children, incest and the lot.
Salam.
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Pena Budaya says:
I was reading recent news on Indonesian musicians – Nidji and Rebecca – concerts in Aceh were cancelled just because the police were afraid that the female fans and male fans would end up together! Meanwhile the tickets were sold out..
It is pathetic and trully a joke! What is next will be for Aceh and the sharia law implementation? No movies? No sinetron or foreign news allowed in local channels? Oh perhaps they will not allow the performance of Saman or Seudati dance without wearing jilbab and only men who are allowed to dance…
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dewaratugedeanom Says:
Your statement about numerical inferiority and spiritual superiority is not relevant. The anti-Islam sentiment is spreading all over the world. You just have to read the papers and watch television to know why.
Cukurungan :
I read paper and you are 100% correct anti-Islam sentiment is spreading so why:
Islamic-rooted president wins in Turkey (AP)
ANKARA, Turkey – A devout Muslim with a background in political Islam won the Turkish presidency on Tuesday, in a major triumph for the Islamic-rooted government after months of confrontation with the secular establishment.No offence personally you are cordially invited to enjoy your delusion.
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@Cukurungan
Correction. I should have said anti-Islam sentiment is spreading in the non-islamic world. As far as I know Turkey, although with a secular constitution, belongs to the Islam-dominated Middle East. That’s why there is strong opposition in the European Union for them to join.
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Assalamualaikum Pak Pieter,
I do not know much about Middle Eastern affairs. As much as I know, Jews were cursed by Allah swt in the Quran, and so they can’t be trusted. The apportion was fair dinkum. Why should non-believers get the same portion as faithful believers when truth had been shown to them?
Major airports have little mushollas for Muslims; in America, rooms in major hotels have arrow pointing toward Mecca; in Australia, some Macca took pork products off their menu and offer halal food. The Bules are not stupid, they did this for a reason. They know Islam is the true religion but are hesistant to accept it.
Salam.
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Tomaculum.
“¦.some of those guys here just cite out of some books.
Perhaps one of these Xeroxed books from the original that they purchased at a traffic light behind Plaza Atrium!
Pieter.
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Aluang,
1. I do not know much about Middle Eastern affairs. As much as I know, Jews were cursed by Allah swt in the Quran, and so they can’t be trusted. The apportion was fair dinkum. Why should non-believers get the same portion as faithful believers when truth had been shown to them?
Trust me on the numbers; Over the last 30 years, Israel has released about 7,000 prisoners to secure freedom for 19 Israelis and to retrieve the bodies of eight others. A number of diplomatic efforts have been made to secure the release of Israeli IDF personnel following their capture by enemy forces.
As far as Jews being cursed; well my friend”¦, if it is written in “the book” than so be it, I am cursed! Of course if there is a public to believe all that is written in “the book” and to swallow it blindly. We can argue about the fact that paper can absorb everything!
2. Major airports have little mushollas for Muslims; in America, rooms in major hotels have arrow pointing toward Mecca; in Australia, some Macca took pork products off their menu and offer halal food. The Bules are not stupid, they did this for a reason. They know Islam is the true religion but are hesistant to accept it.
No, the Bules are not stupid”¦, other may be naïf on the other hand. Believing that airports offer praying rooms to please Muslims only is naïf. Airports in the west offer praying rooms for all major monotheistic faiths. Not to please any one but to attract passengers. Hotels have a Kiblat”¦, not to please anyone but to attract more customers. I have still to see such hotel, as so far I never was in one. Some restaurants may offer Halal food, yes why not if there in that area a strong demand for that type of food.
No, the Bules are not stupid indeed. They have well mastered and understood the economical laws of demand and supply. For that very same reason there are so many whorehouse in Indonesia and “chicky chicky boum boum” massages in all the hotels. Now that many Muslims have migrated to the West there is a demand for some services and products to accommodate Muslims that are willing to pay for it. I always wonder why they come to the West rather than going to their rich cousins in the Gulf States.Chalom,
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Aluang:
However I see that you had misunderstanding in regard to the cruxification of Prophet Isa. Check this out,”they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them” (Qur’an 4:156) Judas, not Jesus, was crucified on the cross, in a case of mistaken identity. Christians were evil (sorry no offence) because they worshipped an evil man stapled on some wooden cross.
Jlta: Very strong (false) statement, indeed. Isn’t it?
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Aluang:Judas Iscariot, the betrayer and thief, is the real saviour of Christians. It was Judas who actually died on the cross and because Judas had a similar physical appearance to Jesus even his own mother didn’t recognize him as she wept at the foot of the cross.
Jlta: If Judas Iscariot was replacing Jesus, who died, on the cross, who was replacing Judas Iscariot who commited suicide, by hanging himself in the “Field of Blood”? Acts 1.18 Mt. 27.3-8
The fact is also that EVEN IF, IF, IF Judas was on the cross according to the (your?) fabrication. The heart and mind of Christians, the respect they pay from the start up to now is to Jesus Christ. Never did/will they say “judas our savior” to replace Christ.
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Aluang:
For 600 years Christians had been preaching Christ crucified. Then prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) comes along, and gets a direct revelation from God setting the recoed straight – all the the 10,000 manuscripts of the Bible, are wrong.
Aluang:
Dear Pieter, Christian was mislead by Prophet Jesus who claimed to be son of Allah. It is not their fault to worship a Allah’s creature. Hope this answer your question.
Peace.Jlta: In a loud voice, in PUBLIC (did the direct revelation happened with witnesses around?),
God the Father said several times: God claimed Jesus to be His son: “You are my own dear Son. I am pleased with you.” Mark 1:11, Mathew 3.13-4.11, Luke 3:21-22; 4.1-1.30
This is my own dear Son – listen to him!” Mark 97, Matthew 17.1-13, Luke 9.28-36__________________-
Through His Son God gave us His beautiful teaching. Are you claiming that he changed His mind after 600 years? GOD DOES NOT CHANGE WITH TIME. God did not, does not and will not change forever.
Jesus Himself built His church!
And so I tell you, Peter: you are a rock, and on this rock foundation I will build my church, and NOT EVEN DEATH WILL EVER BE ABLE TO OVERCOME IT.
Mt. 16.18-19; Jn 20.23From Peter when the SON OF GOD built His church, up to the present time with Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI there were 265 popes. Up to now, their teaching has not changed.
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Aluang:
For 600 years Christians had been preaching Christ crucified. Then prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) comes along, and gets a direct revelation from God setting the recoed straight – all the the 10,000 manuscripts of the Bible, are wrong.
Jlta: The Holy Bible was written around 60 A.D ( Mohammed was borned around 600 A.D,. he recited his messages to his followers and they collected and put them together in the Qur’an) The Apostles were day in day out with Jesus till His death on the cross.
No other human being, can contradict the truth those apostles wrote. They were the eye-witness. They rather die as martyrs for their Faith than not telling the truth.
What they wrote was not a revelation, a dream or hallucination they were witnesses, so all are facts.
Please, tell us how did Mohammed got the revelation, because Mohammed could not write or read, no? and this is just in case, perhaps some of his followers fabricated it.
________________________Thanks for your posting, may readers be convinced of the TRUTH and feel at peace. As Jesus said “Peace be with you”.
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Dear mbak Julita,
Jlta: Very strong (false) statement, indeed. Isn’t it?
Yes. Quran is the word of God so it is real proof.
The fact is also that EVEN IF, IF, IF Judas was on the cross according to the (your?) fabrication.
Alhumdullilah mbak Julita, I gave Quranic verses and you can always refer and validate, yet you accused me of little white lie. Mbak, the most honest contributors in this forum are Sheikh Cuk and me. We would not do anything to risk our chance of sipping wine with hooris and watching unbelievers burn in hell.
The heart and mind of Christians, the respect they pay from the start up to now is to Jesus Christ. Never did/will they say “judas our savior” to replace Christ.
Ok, this is subjective.
God the Father said several times: God claimed Jesus to be His son: “You are my own dear Son. I am pleased with you.” Mark 1:11, Mathew 3.13-4.11, Luke 3:21-22; 4.1-1.30
This is my own dear Son – listen to him!” Mark 97, Matthew 17.1-13, Luke 9.28-36I am not bible-savvy, and I will come back to this after I do my research. Islam had taught me to be open-minded. Unlike other religious group, we do not accuse before researching facts.
Thank you for your response. May Allah shine light into your heart.
Salam.
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Sylvester says:
Julita, aluang has a totally different thinking.
So, just let him.
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Ihaknt says:
He’s (Aluang) a two faced freak n creep.
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Pieter Says: Â Â Â Â
Trust me on the numbers; Over the last 30 years, Israel has released about 7,000 prisoners to secure freedom for 19 Israelis and to retrieve the bodies of eight others. A number of diplomatic efforts have been made to secure the release of Israeli IDF personnel following their capture by enemy forces.
Cukurungan :
Those deal wasn’t between the Muslim and un-believers but it was between Arab and Jews unfortunately we neither Jews nor Arab so sorry no comments.
Pieter Says: Â Â Â Â
As far as Jews being cursed; well my friend”¦, if it is written in “the book” than so be it, I am cursed! Of course if there is a public to believe all that is written in “the book” and to swallow it blindly. We can argue about the fact that paper can absorb everything!
Cukurungan :
Aluang is still learning on me, of course he still made many wrong statement but let him learn. The correct one is God never curse Jew and/or anyone else for nothing and if I am not mistake the Al-qaida spokeman is also Jews America rights.
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Cukurungan says:
Those deal wasn’t between the Muslim and un-believers but it was between Arab and Jews unfortunately we neither Jews nor Arab so sorry no comments.Pieter: No if you want to be correct these deals were between Arab & Israelis, hence Muslims sates and the Jewish State. Are these wars not to liberate the so called occupied Muslim land and holy places? Aren’t we speaking of the very same land the Crusader came etc.?
And if you are guys are not Arabs so why not keeping your own culture and practicing you own bread of Islam. No need to adopt Arab culture along with the religion they imposed on you in the past. Unlike the Spanish in the Philippine, my (Dutch) ancestors were not into converting the populations in the colonies. I wonder if that would not have been a good dead, sadly enough they did not!
2.Cukurungan says :
Aluang is still learning on me, of course he still made many wrong statement but let him learn. The correct one is God never curse Jew and/or anyone else for nothing and if I am not mistake the Al-qaida spokeman is also Jews America rights.Pieter: And who may that spokesman be? I have heard all kind of Bullsh*t on Al qaida but this one is new indeed.
Chalom,
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Shorty says:
great thread of ideas and lively discussion……………….but……….
sharia is islamic law. constitutionally ri is a secular state.
of course some sharia law is compatible with pancasila as are parts of Christianity, judaism or any other monotheistic religion. Hindu dharma as would the ancient greek and roman religions be acceptable as there was an over riding or supreme god
the preceding 15 pages are a vivid endorsement for secularism. we recognize that there are certain rules and values which enable society to progress. those rules are not god given or god specific.
it’s ironic, a robust secular democratic society is the one that allows this to happen. those pursuing religious based law should realise that such discussion wouldn’t be possible under their preferred law.
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Sylvester, Ihaknt, thanks, it is beneficial also for me, because those kind a questions make me look up, study and think, find the Turth.
I have the chance to share with others/fellow believers what a beautiful Faith we have.
We respect others with their own religion and I don’t dream of pointing fingers at them, but don’t point fingers to mine especially when it is wrong, then I feel, I have to straighten their misunderstanding/misinformation or fabrication (this is to a certain point, you see how harsh they. Christian women have no souls, who would say this kind of thing)
Thanks again, to have people like you around, take care.Aluang: Yes. Quran is the word of God so it is real proof.
Jlta: You can say what you want, but Judas dangling from a tree.
Aluang: I am not bible-savvy, and I will come back to this after I do my research.
Jlta: No problem, but I wish you would check FIRST and then do your posting so that this forum will be of good quality, it also show the quality of the person contributing to this blog. .
Pieter, about prayer rooms, I very much agree with what you say and yes, it is for all denominations. Not only air-ports but also hospitals, that is how tolerant they are.
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“Yes. Quran is the word of God so it is real proof.”
Aluang, I know you’re just trying to be ironical, but I think you believe it partially. So maybe you can tell me the proof that Qur’an contents the words of God.
I could also claim that God speaks through my mouth, but I don’t have any proof of it.
So where is the proof of your argument that Qur’an contents words of God and that that is real proof? Proof for what? Proof for assertion? Some one really (and I mean: really and with proof, maybe as a recording in mp3 🙂 ) heard Him said those words.
Some one has a recording of God’s words to Jesus?
I could say I’m the emperor of China, but I don’t have any proof.
Why do you guys fond of citating out of books instead using your brains? (Ooops, if you have … 🙂 )Pieter, that is the problem with some of our moslem brothers. There are killings between moslems caused of hate, but they would excuse that as their fight for their unity.
And once again: don’t take the words of some guys here too earnestly, they just trying to parody. But they remain (poor) copies of the famoust, sometimes annoying but original A. Sudarsono. Its just like every Tom, Dick and Harry trying to copy Beethoven or Mozart, the result is only a jingle in x-dur in mol. 🙂
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Dewaratugedeanom,
Actually in Bali & Batam they were always correct.
Thanks for the number, but I do not live in indo any more. With my wife and kid we go only once a year pulang kampong and I need of course a Visa on Arrival. Which is a big improvement as initially the Dutch needed to apply for a visa at the KB RI.
Pieter