545 Comments on “Open Thread”
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Lairedion says:
Another monday, another day at the office, another example of the failed state:
Bogor Officials Defy Court, Seal Off Church Again
Constitution, supreme court rulings? F**k that sh*t, we do things on our own in West Java.
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Patrick says:
ANOTHER CRACK
Another crack in d earth’s core/ more waves bringing death to d shores/ people fleeing from d angry sea/ more core cracks releasing dangerous energy/ where do u hide when it feels like no one is on ur side/ where do u go when u dont know what the wind will blow toward you in Tokyo/ …..Churches being closed all over the Archipelago/ d mayor defying d Supreme Court order in Bogor/ more layers of beauracacy n another core cracks in democracy/ people in d streets shouting for u to get out/ where do u hide when it feels like no one is on ur side/ where do you go when u dont know what d wind will blow toward u in Indo/ ….Turn on ur tv and see d beast surprised in d Middle East/ d people rise n multiply to live free or die/ another crack in d old leadership core as d people show them the exit door/ where do u hide when it feels like no one is on ur side/ where do u go when u dont know what d wind will blow toward u in Cairo…
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Hans says:
IKEA To day
7.7% growth
280 stores around the world
9500 different products
127 000 employees
197 million copies of the IKEA catalog
626 million store visitors
23.1 trillion euro sales
Ikea owner Ingvar Kamprad is good for 600 billion. Richer than both Bill Gates and Warren Buffett.
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Nice rhyme, Patrick (no, this time I’m not being cynical)
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deta says:
It will make a nice song, Patrick. Let the title be “Tokyo – Indo – Cairo”, which reminds me of the song “New York – Rio – Tokyo” by Trio Rio, though completely tells different story.
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ET says:
Patrick
where do u go when u dont know what the wind will blow toward you in Tokyo
I’ll go to Buenos Aires and dance the tango…
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@Lairedion – Terima kasih temanku.
@ET – Why not the Rumba, the Samba or maybe even the Cha Cha? Love latin music and dance and yes escaping into the arms of a senorita bonita es muy bueno!! cha cha cha!!!!
@ Deta – you inspired me to write a few more lines for your listening pleasure and to distance it from that song you referenced(should it ever become a song) see below…He came into office to say no more to Guantanamo/ He said no more war in Iraq/ instead he sent his men on the attack in Afghanistan/” Do as I say not as I do” becoming his motto/ His easy victory now only a distant memory/ Another crack appearing on the core group of his supporters/ where do u hide when it feels like no one is on ur side/ where do u go when u dont know what d wind will blow toward u in Oslo/
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That’s fantastico! 😉
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@Deta – Gracias muchacha 🙂
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We live in a fascinating time, when rebellions in North Africa and the Middle East may well be the beginning of a fourth demokratiWave in the world. After the third wave, which swept across southern Europe, Latin America, Asia and Eastern Europe between 1974 and 1990, the time may be ripe for a new democratic thrust.
One question is whether Chinese citizens have reason to protest, another if they want to see the regime fall. But developments in the Middle East has taught the Chinese government to take all the cries for a Chinese jasmine revolution very seriously. Therefore, it has, instead of lying low and rely on the legitimacy it has built up over the past three decades, massive demonstrations of strength in places where it called for protests.
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An arab made a fixed deposit of $24,500.000.00 in my bank branch where am a director and he died with his entire family in the war leaving behind no next of kin,if you choose to stand as my deceased client’s next of kin. if interested mail me at the address below:
ming.yang@nba2k.com.cnhell of a lot of money
I think I should respond to this email.
I can certainly pass as heir in a direct line from one of the money infested and dead Arab.
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…He came into office to say no more to Guantanamo/ He said no more war in Iraq/ instead he sent his men on the attack in Afghanistan/
And where do Libyan people hide when he sends tomahawks to collide…
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if I remember right he said that it was necessary to expand its presence in Afghanistan.
Libya: can not believe that we let the madman sit there for so long and get rich, perhaps Libya is Africa’s richest country per capita, all residents of Libya would normaly have a similar quality of life as they have in the oil kingdom of Norway. -
Approximately 55 rockets and mortar shells have been launched at Israel during the last three months, totaling more than 250 since the end of Operation Cast Lead and more than 750 in 2009, the IDF said in a statement.
what the hell do you do if the enemy creeps into a children’s wagon after
a rocket attack.
Hamas has used the same methodology over the years.
To crawl to shelter behind civilians after their raids into Israel.
Now Hamas can not expect any outside help except Iran and perhaps Syria.Syrian protests ended in bloodshed
Heavy clashes occurred between demonstrators and security forces in the town of Dara in southern Syria.
According to various sources people were killed and hundreds injured. Thousands of people attended a peaceful protest for political rights and stop corruption, when security forces opened fire on the crowd. Residents said that security forces were flown to the scene by helicopter.
Hundreds of demonstrators were injured, and security men abducted people from the hospital to some secret column, said an eyewitness.
Demonstrations were organized also in the capital Damascus and in other cities. Demonstrations are banned in Syria. -
Hans,
An arab made a fixed deposit of $24,500.000.00 in my bank branch where am a director and he died with his entire family in the war leaving behind no next of kin,if you choose to stand as my deceased client’s next of kin. if interested mail me at the address below:
ming.yang@nba2k.com.cnIt sounds like a crock, ignore it or you will be broke.
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What is democracy. democracy that the world could stand on. Human equality and rights are fundamental, it is the majority that decides in a democracy. But it is important to remember that the minority also has rights. The majority should never oppress the minority, and each person has one vote. Nobody has a right to know how another person has voted, to express their thoughts and feelings in speech and writing. Being able to publish a newspaper without any authority in advance of reviewing the content, Rule of law means that all people should be equal before the law. A person shall be presumed innocent until he or she is convicted and it is clear what is legal and illegal. A person who commits a crime should be able to foresee the consequences. The right to join or form a union is essential in a democracy. as churches and trade unions.
Does Indonesia have Democracy today! The rule of law is not equal for all and the politicians are corrupt, news media are actually really good and can usually be debated freely. but can we say that all public power emanates from the people. and what abt Human equality? no I do not think ther is equality
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Democracy, a new political issues, parties and politicians, a politician today receive a mandate for political opinions if he – she does have the capitals voters in his hand.
Can a political party win an election without winning voters in the example Jakarta, London, Tokyo. Rural and small urban views becomes uninteresting. Win elections in three major cities on Java, then you have won throughout the hole country. it is majority, but is it fair that we come to this. problem is the same here in Sweden, you win Stockholm, then you win a majority in the country. -
On Saturday at 20:30 starting on the manifestation of global climate: Earth Hour.
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Arie Brand says:
Hans wrote:
Approximately 55 rockets and mortar shells have been launched at Israel during the last three months, totaling more than 250 since the end of Operation Cast Lead and more than 750 in 2009, the IDF said in a statement.
what the hell do you do if the enemy creeps into a children’s wagon after a rocket attack.In actual fact even the IDF has acknowledged that 2010 has been the quietest year for rocket attacks since 2002. See:
http://idfspokesperson.com/2010/10/07/2010-statistics-rocket-and-mortar-fire-from-the-gaza-strip-as-of-october-7th-7-oct-2010/And Hans, since you seem to be so concerned about the welfare of children, you might be interested in the following statistic: since 29/9/2000 1,452 Palestinian children have been killed as compared to 124 Israeli children (see the website “ifamericansknew”). This figure does probably not yet include the 318 Palestinian children that, according to the Israeli human rights organisation B’Tselem, were killed during the last Israeli onslaught on Gaza Dec.27 2008 – Jan.18 2009.
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1,452 Palestinian children have been killed,
what the hell do you do if the enemy creeps into a children’s wagon after a rocket attack.
Yes it is terrible that these offenders may continue to hide behind mom and other people’s babies
What do you do, what are you doing, where terror hides in the stroller
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Seems simple to me. Declare the whole disputed region under UN Mandate and move the UN HQ’s away from the life of idle luxury in the USA there with UN provided security.
It’s obvious that Israel and the various Arab factions will never be able to overcome their ancient tribal hatreds and the rest of the world is just plain tired of whole morass of uncivilized behaviour.
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Declare the whole disputed region under UN Mandate
Do not think that will stop the terror, it stop Israel army but not the terror, then it´s still the children who whill pay.
And both sides become terrorists? What good is this.
Then I get to pay their war, with my paid tax! ?? that is not good ??if we just kind of takes away the region and pretend it never existed, sense of loss will be minimal, since all are related to everyone them self in the family
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Hans if you, in order to hit one particular militant who happens to have his abode in a certain apartment building, bomb the whole building causing numerous casualties (as has happened), you can of course claim that the whole trouble was caused because the man was ‘hiding among civilians’ – but it would take a double-dyed cretin to believe you. Israeli claims have been largely of this nature. It took you to suggest that the militants hide in nurseries. Not even that sweet talking female major of the IDF’s publicity department ever thought that she could go as far as that.
“It’s obvious that Israel and the various Arab factions will never be able to overcome their ancient tribal hatreds”
Oigal, it is not a matter of “ancient tribal hatreds”. The small Jewish group that was living in Jerusalem for centuries before the Zionist invasion started had remained undisturbed among its Moslem neighbours. To me the whole affair is as plain as the nose on your face. Basic injustices have been committed and are still being committed today.
The UN partition of the country in 1947 granted 55% of the remaining Mandate territory to the Jews, though there were at that time only about 600,000 of them, roughly one third of the total population. In the ensuing war three quarters of a million Palestinians were driven out and robbed of their lands and houses. The Israelis increased their territory from 55% to 78% of the land. The ‘international community’ , and the Palestinians, have acquiesced in that even though retaining land acquired by war is against international law.
Not satisfied with that they have since 1967 encroached further and further on the remaining Palestinian territory through settlements that have been declared to be illegal by the International Court of Justice.
Do I have to add that the people they have driven out have ever since been living in appalling circumstances. Harassed in their every movement by check points where young Israeli soldiers can give way to their sadistic impulses without ever being called to account (read the revelations of the former Israeli sergeant Furer about this). Being targeted by Israeli religious crazies in the settlement movement. Excluded from the main roads on the West Bank that can only be used by Israelis. Finding their wells poisoned, their olive trees uprooted and often being thrown with stones and harassed in other ways when they try to go to their land. This has all been extensively documented by human rights groups.
One doesn’t need to refer to “ancient tribal hatreds” to explain the antagonism and the conflict this has caused.
In 1967 there was a turning point. The Israelis had the choice to refrain from settling on the West Bank as was advised by their elder statesman Ben Gurion. They couldn’t resist a further land grab, however, encouraged in this by their one eyed general, Moshe Dayan, who was then, as the Israeli historian Avi Shlaim put it, king in the land of the blind.
The Palestinians however want their remaining 22 % of the land for which the Israelis would have to withdraw to the Green Line. The so-called Arab Peace plan that has been on the table for nine years now is based on this. The likudists don’t want peace however. They want land.
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The UN partition of the country in 1947 granted 55% of the remaining Mandate territory to the Jews
This is a strange thing, which I probably will never understand fully. often thought if they had Halland, the landscape where I now live, in Sweden, or if they got half Java. Strange behavior of taking a country and give to someone else. it was actually the legacy of Saladin that everyone should live in peace in Jerusalem. **that then Muslims should not be in Jerusalem where God’s tomb is located**, is what it is!. and it´s not Jews beliving, so it´s strange,
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realest says:
i really dont understand why Israel could prosper to become a developed nation with high technological advancement while Palestinans are still scraping in shit and sweat. Call it fate, foreign assistance, discrimination, rich jews or whatever … it looks like Natural Selection and Mother Nature has spoken.
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Elizabeth Taylor is dead
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why Israel could prosper to become a developed nation with high technological advancement
Yes it is the first thing I think of when I visit Israel and Israel’s neighbors. Israel is totally superior, they have quality of life they have disco, they have this * crap * rolls* to eat. life is good there, if you do not go to tourist places like Bethlehem and up the hill in Jerusalem, where Arabs live, ther it is not good and the feeling of a violent fast dead is a feel in the air.
The Israelis have a very different story about how it was to take over this country. who it was who was in high terrain, on the way up to Jerusalem and how they lay there and fired wildly down on the unarmed settlers, this is what the Israelis themselves are saying.
but to give away a country, it must be a mistake
I was the first time in Israel in 1975, when it was a nice and pleasant land. when I came back about ten years later this country completely changed, do not know how to explain, maybe racist is a good expression. Haifa in northern Israel were not so changed. what happened and why, have I never thought much of, war, terrorism, children growing up without his father killed in war, everything tear out a people, who think of revenge. Recently, most have become more normal in the most thing.
kibbutz, I guess they’re there, good thing that with free labor. Jaffa oranges are boycotted, called and complained about this, I had to eat sour f*cking Spanish oranges at Christmas.
wherever you are: love
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im not really worried about saudi, word has it that the civilians just wants more reform and has no plans to bring the monarchy down. things could go really wrong though, at the rate the saudi government is handling these protests.