Muslimah Gothess
Jul 18th, 2006, in Society, by PatungAs globalization advances strange and interesting mixes of cultures, East and West, are produced.
Muslimah Gothess.
Picture in the profile of a young online social butterfly at multiply.com, who calls herself “Dee Gothess” and hails from Jakarta. We only wish she had chosen a happier aspect of western culture than the god-awful Goth sub-culture.
113 Comments on “Muslimah Gothess”
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Abdul Latif says:
I would surely not be inclined to follow you as you think everything centers around you; the comment about not being judgmental is about Dee, you know the Gothic the one this discussion is about.
Note: “For the rest of you judgmental folks Judgment belongs to Allah.” That excludes you as you are not interested in the present discussion; only in leading people astray.
We do not intend to alter Allah’s teachings. We wish to purify Allah’s teachings from human alterations.
Who is we and how come you know what should or shouldn’t be in the Quran; Have you talked to Allah lately? you make the same argruments as the evangelist of answering Islam. Have you read the Quran? Do you understand it?
The revelation regarding taking Jews and Christians as friends was revealed in Medina, we were being persecuted by the Quarish; some Jews pretended to believe in ISlam while secertly mocking Islam and working with the enemies of Islam.
61 When they come unto you (Muslims), they say: We believe; but they came in unbelief and they went out in the same; and Allah knoweth best what they were hiding.
62 And thou seest many of them vying one with another in sin and transgression and their devouring of illicit gain. Verily evil is what they do.
65 If only the People of the Scripture would believe and ward off (evil), surely We should remit their sins from them and surely We should bring them into Gardens of Delight.
66 If they had observed the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto them from their Lord, they would surely have been nourished from above them and from beneath their feet. Among them there are people who are moderate, but many of them are of evil co
68 Say O People of the Scripture! Ye have naught (of guidance) till ye observe the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto you from your Lord. That which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) from thy Lord is certain to increase the contumacy and disbelief of many of them. But grieve not for the disbelieving folk.
69 Lo! those who believe, and those who are Jews, and Sabaeans, and Christians – Whosoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right – there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.
So there is no contradiction. Rather we are to respect them, not hinder or prevent them from their belief; they will be judged by the scriptures revealed to them, yet we are advised not to befriend them unless they accept the last revelation as most of them will continue to try to divert us to their evil ways. We should trust those who are believers.
We should take those as intimates. A peson who believes that God created men to serve ISrael only or that Jesus is God is not a true beliver. God created us all eqyally and loves us all. God is one not threee. The people of the bok as you cal them are not the present day practioners of Judaism or Christianity. ONe worsips themselves and the other worshipd idos and the Prophet Jesusas God. I associate with people that cal the,selves Christians and the Quran is right they never cease to convince us that
Like you are doing. Like the the answering Islam groups, and Daniel Pipes. To cause disbelief in the Quran, in Allah, and in Islam.
Yes I am saying that we should keep our opinions to ourselves as far as how the Good sister dresses or how an muslim behaves as long as they are not breaking the law.. If one of us thinks different that is our opinion and we are entitled to it, but we should not try to force our views upon her or be judgmental about her.
I noticed one thing though, besides yor self rigthouesness and aggressive behaviour towards me. You spell Quran as Koran. A clear sign that you are not one of us.
We si you and your non believers friemd tryng to created disbelief in the Quran. Your revised Koran is the bible, written by men who distorted the scriptures to their own end (Old testamnet) and is full of more a tale of incest and pornogaphy the other the new testament created by the Roman empire and their catholic stooges.Holla at me again when you learn how to spell Quran, are able to tell me where you get all his direct information from, and you are not so vain as to think every song is about you.
Jesus ain’t God
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Mohammed Khafi says:
My Dear Sputjam,
I would never dream of rebuking you, I just think that you have a somewhat different understanding of the word ‘Religion’, and certainly a different understanding of the word from mine. From what I understand of you from your postings we have very similar views. I don’t know where you got the understanding that I follow ritual prayers, that is not the case. I believe that we should keep contact with God and appreciate everything that he has done for us every moment we get, but that doesn’t include the rituals performed in Masjid! As to Imams I have never even mentioned Imams in my posting perhaps you have misread something somewhere.
Muslims against Sharia,
I agree with your cause but cannot agree with the way you are going about it. If Al Quran is interpreted correctly, there is no contradiction. It is simply a matter of going back to the original Classical Arabic and interpreting it in the manner it was meant by Allah. There is no evidence of corruption or rewriting in the whole history of Al Quran, if you are finding contradictions it is because of how the verses are being understood. Please refer to OXP or Free-minds translations, they have left nothing out, but have re-evaluated the original text.
Most of the problems facing the Ummah in this modern world are caused by misinterpretation of Al Quran by using the fabricated Sunnah and Hadith as material for the interpretation. Whilst I am sure that Abdul Latif is correct and that there are some genuine Sunnah and Hadith, their numbers on first inspection appear to be very small, and as he says they should not be used as a source of law. My choice when faced with a guidebook which is 95 percent incorrect is to throw out the guidebook!
Peace
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
@ hasim
As for the Goth sister maybe she should reconsider her nikah as I have many bule brothers who would fine her beautiful and are looking for marriage. I give her respect for adhering to Islamic dress stipulated in the quran. Obviously nobody forced her to do so as one brother seems to think so. …
You are obviously a TRUE MOSLEM. Javanese society are traditionally equal gender based AND Islam has yet to dismantle that. Whether our little possum is ripe for nikah is hers to decide; and I am afraid your islamic ‘sticky beak’ habit is not well received here.
… This is time wasting and hopefully I will not participate in these false talks anymore. I think you should all try to get some friends and socialize instead of spend your lonely days on the computer. …
Good riddance. But you were the one poking your nose into our sister’s closet.
Last but not least, you can’t win a discussion with someone who thinks they are right. You will always lose. There arrogances always gets in there way of seeing laterally.
Pakmantri had answered it.
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@ Abdul Latif
Aluang Anak Bayang says we must adopt Arab culture to truly practice Islam. Where does that come from? …
You are as blind as a bat. By the way, you have an Arab sounding name. Be proud of your own culture. Be Javanese.
*yawn* Asian Islam
*yawn* Arabic Only
*yawn* Sholat in Indonesian
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@Muslims Against Sharia
December 24th, 2007 at 5:03 amPeople talk about the need to reform Islam. Now you can stop talking and start helping.
True Islam do not need reform, it needs to be eradicated. I visited your site and you’re just a joke. I see a list of clowns called ‘moderate moslems’. Our Javanese forefathers defanged Islam centuries before you people decided it was too much to handle. You have a better chance of success promoting ‘Javanese Islam’ kejawen than ‘Reformed islam’.
With the help of our readers we went through the Koran and removed every verse that we believe did not come from Allah, the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate.
I have a quick run through and it seemed that you retained the verses by Satan, and removed verses that come from Allah subhana Wa’ Talla. Each and everyone of you responsible for this is going to go to hell.
Where is Quranic verse 4:34 where you use a big rod to hit your wife/wives? I am pretty sure that one is from Allah swt.
We would like to publish Reform Koran in as many languages as possible. If you could help with translation, editing, or distribution of the Reform Koran, please email us at koran-AT-reformislam.org. If you could provide financial support, please visit our support page.
In Memoriam of Aqsa Parvez.
No need to publish them in Indonesian. The money is better spent proping up another Javanese president. True Islam was already defanged here. Javanese moslems are the only one that don’t use Arabic names because we are Abangan. Sister Dee is safe here with us. Javanese are family-oriented, we prefer daughters over sons; we prefer our children over religion. Only stupid Pakistanis murder daughters.
Salam.
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Sputjam says:
So what Mohamed Khafi wrote, he does not do ritual prayer and does not go to the mosque. I hope he forgo the haj altogether. that would mean he is aiming for the straight path.
Muslims against sharia is correct is saying that presently, muslim laws are contradicting. Even the verses in the koran contradicts. hence the ulamas created a new rule stating that the later verses overide the older verses if there is contradiction.
Muslims chide christians for believeing in the bible. But to the christians, bible is the word of God.
Similarly, what makes muslims think that the koran is devoid of any corruption by man.I have kept an open mind on this. you do not require a PhD to see the evil in muslim community. It is clearly stated that it is forbidden to kill another human in the koran. why is it that muslims see that the 9/11 incident as righteous and support murderers like osama bin laden and gang.
many muslims religionist support arafat although he was a hypocrite. Arafat knows well that if peace were to prevail in israel/Palestine, he would be devoid of any funds being contributed by fellow muslim religionist. His aim was to create mayhem in order to profit from the situation. It disgust me to see his family living in comfort in Paris while Palestinians suffered. So beware of hypocrites.
Aluang anak bayang has already forgo any belief in the koran. But if he believe in God, does that make him a unbeilever? I do not think so.
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Cukurungan,
“Hey badut evangelist show me if you found any conflict in Quran.”
Why don’t you read the rest of my comment, you moron.
“Who is we and how come you know what should or shouldn’t be in the Quran”
We are Muslims Against Sharia / Contradictory verses.
“So there is no contradiction.”
What a bunch of crap! Your contention is just as stupid as saying that when Mohammad was in Medina, earth had one moon, but when he was in Mecca, it had two moons. It’s either one or two. Trying to reconcile those two statements is just as stupid as to say that bin Laden is misinterpreting the Koran.
“A peson who believes that God created men to serve ISrael only or that Jesus is God is not a true beliver.”
That’s according to you and the verses that could not have come from Allah. Our Allah does not care what other people believe in; that’s why he gave them a free will. Your Allah seems to be very insecure, just like you. Could there be a greater sin than projecting your shortcoming onto Allah?
“Like the the answering Islam groups, and Daniel Pipes. To cause disbelief in the Quran, in Allah, and in Islam.”
No, what we are doing is trying to save Islam from Islamist sh*theads like you.
“You spell Quran as Koran. A clear sign that you are not one of us.”
You are such an idiot! If we weren’t Muslims, but try to pass as ones, wouldn’t we try to “Arabize” everything we do? We used the most common spelling for the simple reason that many languages do not have letter “Q” in their alphabet.
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Mohammed Khafi,
“If Al Quran is interpreted correctly, there is no contradiction.”
We don’t believe so. Granted that none of us speak Arabic, we believe that if Allah’s book were not distorted, it would be properly (divinely) interpreted into every language. But even if we assume that you are correct, many Arab speakers use the Koran to fuel jihad and murder millions of people, mainly Muslims. There is simply no way that Allah would intend for his book to be used that way.
“There is no evidence of corruption or rewriting in the whole history of Al Quran”
You have to consider the gap between the time the Koran was revealed and the time the Koran was written.
We allow for possibility that revising the Koran is not the most proper way of saving Islam, but at this point we cannot find the more pragmatic and effective way.
Peace.
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Aluang Anak Bayang,
“True Islam do not need reform, it needs to be eradicated.”
What a collection of characters we have here. We have Islamists and we have genocidal maniacs. Honestly, I don’t know which ones are worse.
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Cukurungan says:
Muslims Against Sharia Said:
We do not intend to alter Allah’s teachings. We wish to purify Allah’s teachings from human alterations. Let me give you an example. The Koran tells us to respect the People of the Book (Christians and Jews.)
The Koran also tells us not to take them for friends. Which one is that? You must be either stupid or blind not to see this contradiction, which is one of many. We know that Allah is infallible; therefore, he cannot contradict himself. The only possible conclusion is that the Koran has been altered by nefarious people.Me :
Hey Badut evangelist …respect and friendships is something different , we muslim should respect any God creature include not abusing an animals but friendships in Islam isn’t for sale especially for “Badut Evangelist” like you.
You can say and do anything as wish and we will do anything to destroy “joker evangelist” like you…anyway nice try and we are waiting your delivery of your fake Quran for smoking Daging QurbanYou said:
What a collection of characters we have here. We have Islamists and we have genocidal maniacs. Honestly, I don’t know which ones are worse.me :
Islamists and genocidal maniacs are both goods for us especially it is very efficient to be used for combating evangelist undercover like you. -
Cukurungan, are you really that stupid?
“Islamists and genocidal maniacs are both goods for us especially it is very efficient to be used for combating evangelist undercover like you.”
Genocidal manic remark referred to “Islam … needs to be eradicated” comment. If we were Evangelists, why would a genocidal maniac who wants to eradicate Islam be a threat to us?
Actually, I take back my question. If you are an Islamist, you are a moron by definition, so I didn’t have to ask.
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First, we have a Bosnian Mohammedan aka Hasim harassing our dear sister Gothic Dee, then a bunch of circus clowns aka Muslims Against Sharia trying to cause discord among us. I believe we are under siege.
It is time for us Brown Brothers, be it pro-Mojopahitan or pro-Islamist, to show them what we meant by Bhenika Tunggal Ika.
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Aluang Anak Bayang,
“It is time for us Brown Brothers, be it pro-Mojopahitan or pro-Islamist, to show them what we meant by Bhenika Tunggal Ika.”
Or maybe it is time for you to climb back on your tree, you genocidal monkey.
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Abdul latif wrote –
69 Lo! those who believe, and those who are Jews, and Sabaeans, and Christians – Whosoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right – there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve
I prefer to believe in God and the last day and doeth right.
I refuse to submit to any religion. Religion causes man to overide common sense and do evil.there is another intepretation for similar verse –
2:62 Indeed, those who trust, and those proclaimed to be guided, and the supporters and the Sobe’ans – any of them who trust God and the hereafter and do the deeds of virtuousness – thus for them the rewards by their Lord – and there shall be no fear over them – and they will not grieve.
You have to ask yourself, whether the intentions of the koran was to promote religion, or to reject religious beliefs.
Why are there verses that warns mankind against preist and rabbis? (or to put it in present context – Imams and ayatollahs).
Why are there verses that states that mankind felt pleasing when doing ritual worship due to satan.
Why the koran never specifically mentioned Moses, Jesus, moses performed any ritual worship. Nope. They merely asked God for assistance in time of need. That is all.
Mohamed, jesus, Moses and Abraham was against any form of idol worship (or any of worship ritual), Why do we see mankind being enslave into doing all kinds of worship ritual? Is it stated in the koran that we should worship God or submit to God’s guide to life? if we are to worshp God, then define worship as it is missing in the koran.If you are hooked to ritual worship, then you are followers of abraham’s father, who worshipped the sun, or Pharoah, who claimed to be god and whom the egyptianas worshipped, or the princees of Shaba during the time of solomon, who also worshipped the sun. Satan made the act of worshipped seems pleasant to mankind.
The above verse posted by Abdul latif already confirmed that you do not require a religion ot believe in God. You merely need to do good deeds, be righteous.
Do not follow those who abandoned their God given common sense, and blow themselves up, thinking they have been given a short cut to heaven. There is no such thing as a short cut to paradise.Could the koran have been manipulated by mankind?
Ask the Christians if the bible have been manipulated and they will deny it.
Ask the jews if the Torah have been manipulated and they too will deny it.
Similarly the muslim religionist.
If mankind believe in the absurd, they tend to commit astrocities unknowingly. -
@ Muslims Against Sharia
How amusing! Have you checked your roll call and ever wondered why it comprised only of Pakitanis, Iranians, Arabs and sub-Indians? Where are the Great Asian race – the Chinese and Indonesians? Let’s leave the Chinese out as none of them can yell out La illaha Illa Allah properly. Where are the Javanese (I say Javanese because we are the majority)?
Over 80% of the population are registered as moslems. A fifth of this figure are harmless Khafis and Sputjams. The rest are moslem-by-default (Animists and Kejawens). Probably 1% belongs to your basket case. Prophet Mohammad pbuh practised incestry and pedophily because it is halal as sanctioned by Allah swt. Javanese’s traditional values abhor such practices, even if granted, no sane Javanese moslem will follow it through. Just as shagging of cattle is halal in Islam, only you circus clowns (Pakis, Iranians, Arabs and sub-Indians) would do it. Just a hint before you try to bracket Javanese moslems together with the rest. Period.
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Aluang Anak Bayang, why do you think that Jawanese are superior to Pakistanis, Arabs, Iranians and sub-Indians? Is that because your sibling parents were too drunk when the condom broke or is it because your uncle brother forgot to sterilize the spork before giving you a lobotomy? Enlighten me.
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One simple reason you people would not understand:
We simply do not shag goat to be good moslem.
Be brave and tell us which deviant group you are in? Paki, Iranian or Arab?
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I am indeed amazed.
Are we not asked to speak amicably as stated in the koran. And with humitily and be humble always.
God does not like the arrogants. -
Mas Sputjam,
These clowns are Arab wannabes masquerading as do-gooder moslems. Years of indoctrination have sucked up any drop of humility in them. Reason they are at our doorstep was because the google search engine pointed them in our direction – that we have the largest moslem population. We don’t mind receiving entertaining clowns. hahaha.
They need to do a bit of research before trying to blend in with our Javanese moslems. Maybe we should welcome them all with trays of pork sio may. Maybe we take them to Solo to try our irresistible anjing goreng. Maybe we should show them Ramadan is when we take our families for long holidays. Nay, these clowns simply would not understand.
Salam.
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Friends,
Why Jawanese are superior to Pakistanis, Arabs, Iranians and sub-Indians?
One of many answers.
By dishonoring Islam with her fashion choice, our sweet barbie doll sister Dee would be:
– licensed to be gang raped in Pakistan with the approval of her family.
– beheaded outside masjid after friday sermon in Middle Eastern countries to the chant of ‘Allahuakhbar’.
– hanged off a crane in Iran by Islamist.In Javanese society, she is every parents’ dream child – a cutie pie, a princess, an angel, a hunny bunny, a snow white, a barbie doll, a cinderella, a possum and a sweet pea.
@ Muslims Against Sharia and Bosnia Mohammedan.
Here is one Javanese wisdom for you:
We do not marry off our infant child to adult man to be good moslem.
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There is only one God. Abraham was the first to bow down to that God. The Quran is a continuation of that which was revealed before it. A javanese is not better than an Arab, A white no better than a black, we are all creations of God.
The name calling and blasphemy that has gone on here makes one Question if any of us truly understand God or Islam. What is apparent from all of this is that Sister Dee is the least of our problems, that there are lot of sick folks in this world.
The Muslims against Sharia spokesperson is the meanest , vilest person I have ever come across. I believe in the one God, I believe in doing good for others, I believe hat I should be grateful for the life God gave me and for he many good things that God has provided for me during my lifetime. Therefore I pray and worship God; out of gratefulness.
There is no fear of God amongst many that have posted here. I fear God and God only. Please leave me out of this nonsense. The Quran does not need to be reformed nor does Islam, Muslims need to be reformed. The post is about Sister Dee. She has the right to dress as she pleases, in fact to live as she pleases. God alone should judge her.
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Mas Abdul Latif,
Sister Dee is the least of our problem because we are fellow Indonesians. I see nothng wrong in her too. But the way sister Dee dressed is big problem for these outsider morons. Bosnia Mohammedan aka hasim thought she is interested in Bule, and ripe to be married off. I basically told him to f**k off!
A javanese is not better than an Arab, A white no better than a black, we are all creations of God.
I disagree. Certainly Allah swt gave us more brain cells. Daughter killing is non-existent in Javanese society. Marrying off our infant daughter to adult is non-existent. Father shagging daughter-in-law is non-existent. I repeat ‘non-existent’.
The Muslims against Sharia spokesperson is the meanest , vilest person I have ever come across.
I can only hunch that he is either an Arab or a Paki, as these people are loud-mouthed and vengeful. Iranian was descended from refined culture just like ours, but unfortunately their culture was gobbled up by the Arabs.
Javanese still reign supreme.
Salam.
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Abdul Latif said:
There is only one God. Abraham was the first to bow down to that God. The Quran is a continuation of that which was revealed before it. A javanese is not better than an Arab, A white no better than a black, we are all creations of God.
Very well said.
AAB said:
Why Jawanese are superior to Pakistanis, Arabs, Iranians and sub-Indians?
Allah says:
O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that ye may know one another. Lo! the noblest of you, in the sight of Allah, is the best in conduct. Lo! Allah is Knower, Aware. 49:13I have to agree with Abdul Latif’s later statements as well, that there are a lot of sick folk in this world, people who are apparently no better than football hooligans, who appear to delight in taunting and goading others, rather than trying to promote tolerance and harmony. I am proud to follow Al Quran, I am proud of my nationhood, but I am often ashamed of my fellow man.
Thanks to God, there are other tolerant, kind, understanding believers out there who believe in The Goodness of God and His intentions in His delivered scriptures, be they Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian etc.
Peace
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AAB and Muslims Against Sharia:
Please take note of the following verse:
While the Unbelievers got up in their hearts heat and cant – the heat and cant of ignorance,- Allah sent down His Tranquillity to his Messenger and to the Believers, and made them stick close to the command of self-restraint; and well were they entitled to it and worthy of it. And Allah has full knowledge of all things. 48:26
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dewaratugedeanom says:
Aluang Anak Bayang
– no naked sex between married couple, otherwise the marriage is annulled.
– Pokemon is banned because it is evil.
– unmarried man and woman should not work together; however if the woman was to breast-feed her male colleague 5 times, then it is halal.Can you elaborate? Are these fatwas?
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@ dewaratugedeanom
I think this brainless Muslims Against Sharia’s spokeperson had retreated back to some hidden Afghan caves licking his hurt pride. Darn smelly Paki was trying to flog his brand of Islam, as if our Javanese version needed to be revised. We already did that few centuries ago.
@ Mas Khafi re,
Why Jawanese are superior to Pakistanis, Arabs, Iranians and sub-Indians?
Aren’t it obvious?
Mas Khafi, our ancestors received the same Islamic pinata pack as what the Paki, Arab and Iranian received. Only Javanese moslem don’t do murder their daughter to please Allah swt. Killing, and brother raping sister is non-existent in our society. Google search ‘Islam daughter killing’ and you get hundred thousands of hits with Paki, Arab and Iranians murdering their daughters daily by the dozens.
Not only is our children unsafe from our Paki, Arab or Iranian neighbours, we have to hide our kambing too.
Wasalam.
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Aluang Anak Bayang, since you are a product of unholy union between drunken siblings, who later had a lobotomy you are hardly in the position to call anyone brainless. Even my house plant has IQ higher than yours. So, why don’t you jump back on your tree and keep molesting your sister?
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Gee .. how rude for a Muslim spokeperson.
Okay, maybe I was too harsh on you. Let me start by welcoming you to Indonesia.
“Assalamualaikum .. Selamat Datang ke Indonesia. Tunggu sebantar di pintu ya. Saya memyembunyikan kambing2 di tempat tetangga saya”.
Islam means peace. Please come in.
Wasalam.
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Aluang Anak Bayang,
Thank you for invitation. Islam does not mean ‘peace’, it means ‘submission to God’.
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@ Muslims Against Sharia
“Assalamualaikum .. Selamat Datang ke Indonesia.”
Okay, I take back the last 2 sentences. Fortunately you are not a local, otherwise you would be offended. hahaha.
I wonder if your reformed koran had any good in Indonesia where over half of the ‘muslim’ population are ‘muslim by default’. I mean you can tell them that you had erased ‘death for apostasy’ or ‘wife swapping’ verses and now it is a peaceful Islam, but none of them ever read the koran in the first place, let alone knew those wicked verses.
Salam.
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Aluang Anak Bayang,
“none of them ever read the koran”
C’mon, this is Indonesia. None of them ever read, period.
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Muslims Against Sharia Said:
What do you do when the Koran is in conflict with itself?
me :
Hey badut evangelist show me if you found any conflict in Quran.