Muslimah Gothess
Jul 18th, 2006, in Society, by PatungAs globalization advances strange and interesting mixes of cultures, East and West, are produced.
Muslimah Gothess.
Picture in the profile of a young online social butterfly at multiply.com, who calls herself “Dee Gothess” and hails from Jakarta. We only wish she had chosen a happier aspect of western culture than the god-awful Goth sub-culture.
113 Comments on “Muslimah Gothess”
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ELNiNo says:
*final point missed out*
Dee is very beautiful as she is – better than Muslim girls with hair flowing in the breeze trying to look beautiful and attract men. Dee is no fake, this is her right now. There are some hijab girls who drop their cover when they are in the company of men, just to show they are beautful. We are all hypocrites in fits and spurts but atleast we should be less open about it.
She is better than Muslims men who criticise people for wearing what they do, but these same men go home and satisfy themselves with filthy exploitative images of women in the form of nudity or skimpy clothing.
There is no moderate Islam or extreme Islam. To find true Islam we must find ourselves. Dee will in time find true Islam and leave her past behind like many other peo[ple wil. But Dee is still young and has plenty to learn. Instaed of criticising her, let care about her and show her that she is not wrong as much as we are not wrong.
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hasim says:
Assalam alykum wrwb,
Dear sister, my name is hasim and I am of Bosnian decent. My wife is Indonesian and proud of her culture. I think you are trying to be someone else. The problem with Indonesians is they feel that they need to stand out in the crowd and be different. Only when you have lived in another country that is not islamic based you would really understand what it is like to be different. I think you need to read and understand your deen and remember that rasouallah said how to dress with the backing of the al quran. If you are not following this then it is your own desires and the whispering of the shatan. Find the noble women of islam and follow them. The most beautiful women in Indonesia are the ones with taqwa not the ones who follow the nasarra. I hope you will change and focus on your leaving of this dunya and remember you are a role model for the non mukin. If you fail to show the haq you will be held accountable. Allah swt say “I did not create the Jinn[1] and mankind except to worship Me” (Surah Ad-Dhariyat 51:56)
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
Assalamu alaikum Pak hasim,
As a moslem myself, alhumdulillah, I am afraid most Indonesian teenagers misunderstood their deen despite Allah subhana wa ta’alah sent in Tsunamis, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions.
You mentioned that your wife is Indonesian and proud of her culture. I am afraid that you have to talak her immediately because as a true muslimah, she should be proud of Arab culture and not her own Indonesian culture. If she refuses to wear burqa, or jilbab at the least, please make sure you spank her hard as per quranic teaching.
Q4:34
Men are in charge of women, because Allah has made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded. As for those from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great. Pickthall[3Pak hasim, unfortunately Indonesians had problem with Arab’s culture because most think Javanese culture are far more advanced and refined than desert culture. We moslem should all get together and pray that Allah swt send in more tsunamis. Inshallah our prayer will be answered.
Salam.
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Mohammed Khafi says:
AAB,
Of course if one wished to promote the beauty of Islam rather than denigrate it, one would use the following translation of the verse you quoted:
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women. They shall take full care of women with what they spend of their wealth. Allah has made men to excel in some areas and women to excel in some areas. Men must see to it that women are provided for, and that they are able to stand on their feet in the society. So, righteous women are obedient to Allah’s Ordinances and guard their moral values even in privacy, the Values that Allah Commands to be guarded. If you experience rebellion from women, and they stand up against you, apprise them of possible consequences. Next, leave them in their resting places apart from you. And keep admonishing them with examples that they stop rebelling. If they pay heed to you, seek not a way against them. Allah is Most High, Great. 4:34 OXP Translation
Hasim,
Just what did Allah tell Mohammed in Al Quran, about how a woman should dress?
Modesty, lengthened garments (relative to what exactly?) and covering of the breasts before going outside. No mention of covering hair or anything else. Leaves the field pretty wide open in fact for most fashions, and certainly doesn’t force woment to wear Arabic style costumes.
And before you argue the point about covering the hair, just read this:“Khimar” is an Arabic word that can be found in the Quran in 24:31 It is the word that the interpreters or translators use to claim that head cover is in the Quran. “Khimar” means, cover, any cover, a curtain is a Khimar, a dress is a Khimar, a table cloth that covers the top of a table is a Khimar, a blanket is a Khimar..etc. Most of the translators, obviously influenced by Hadith (fabrications) translate the word as VEIL or head cover, and thus mislead most people to believe that this verse is advocating the covering of the head.
In 24:31 God is asking the women to use their cover (khimar)( being a dress, a coat, a shawl, a shirt, a blouse, a tie, a scarf . . . etc.) to cover their bosoms, not their heads or their hairs. If God so willed to order the women to cover their heads or their hair, nothing would have prevented Him from doing so. GOD does not run out of words. GOD does not forget. Those who see the head cover in this verse lost their focus of the verse. The verse is ordering the women to be sure to cover their upper chest. The verse does NOT order the women to cover their heads or hair. Even if you accept their interpretation of the word Khimar to mean head cover, the verse is not ordering the women to cover their head but to cover the opening of the chest in their dress. If God wills, He would have given the order clear, cover your heads, but He did NOT. God does not wait for a Scholar to put the correct words for Him!
Peace
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Mas Khafi,
You do need to return to the fold of Islam for misquoting quranic verses.
I think the moslem scholar’s version is more credible. Check it out yourself.
Wife beating is okay if you use a rod, AND NOT MORE THAN 10 BLOWS
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iamisaid says:
Wife beating is okay if you use a rod, AND NOT MORE THAN 10 BLOWS
Aiyohhhh! really? can beat wife?
If Muhammad Ali give ONE BLOW is K.O mannnnn. TWO would mean dead wife for him.
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Islamic scholars? They do more harm to Islam than you. The Ummah are only repeating the mistakes of the past by following their advice:
They take their rabbis, priests and monks to be their Lords* besides Allah. And they take as their Lord, the Messiah son of Mary. Yet they were commanded to worship but One God. There is no god but He. Praise and Glory to Him, He is far too Glorious for what they ascribe to Him. 9:31
Just replace “rabbis, priests and monks”, with “Islamic Scholars, Mullahs and Ulama”, and replace “The Messiah son of Mary”, with “The Prophet Mohammed”, and you have a modern warning to the mainstream Muslims!
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Just replace “rabbis, priests and monks”, with “Islamic Scholars, Mullahs and Ulama”, and replace “The Messiah son of Mary”, with “The Prophet Mohammed”, and you have a modern warning to the mainstream Muslims!
You forget to say ‘replace Allah with Satan’.
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Allah will never be replaced by Satan! 🙂
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PapilioDemonica says:
Hi, how are you? I don’t know if you remember me but I think I was the only American on your friends list. I liked you because you are a gothic style Muslima and I never met anyone like that in my life. I think it’s way cool. I was with Multiply and then left but I’m back again. I had a Yahoo 360 page but yahoo has turned to junk. Anyway, I’m back. Will you please add me to your friends list again?
Papilio Demonica
aka: “Midnight Corvid” -
Oh! my user name on Multiply is PapilioDemonica. Here is the link http://papiliodemonica.multiply.com/
Peace,
Papilio Demonica
aka: “Midnight Corvid” -
dear Aluang Anak Bayang,
I think you misunderstood. she is pround of her culture. which means islamic. we are mukiim brother. my wife wears her hijab.I was addressing the sister in a simple terminology which stated to be proud to be a mukim and indonesian and not adopting white western culture. if you look at arab history you will clearly see that they taught the whole world including the western world how to read and write. we can thank the iraqs for that. also for the brother Khafi you must be a alim. if look throught all the deens you will clearly see the women covering there heads. look at jesus mother marayum pease be upon them. islam should be made easy brother not complicated. women should protect there modesty likewise should men. maybe you like to see women at bali half naked for the bulie people to take advantage of them. is that what you are saying?? this is preety much common sence throughout the world. why do the christian nuns cover themselves? And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers or their brothers’ sons, or their sisters’ sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.
The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said:
“The best believers are the best in conduct, and the best of you are those who are best to their wives.”
this is all about conduct and your character. the sister has conduct as she clearly follows. just improve her character. gothic dress has no foundation in islam. no women wore that clothes. just ask the question do you think on you day of judgement infront of your creator that gothic dress code will be a accept or liked? it stems from the history of the narsarra in europe. certantly it didn’t come from arabs in spain.
assalam alykium to you all.
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Dear Hasim,
… My wife is Indonesian and proud of her culture. …
When you put ‘Indonesian’ and ‘culture’ in one sentence, I thought she was proud of her own ‘Indonesian culture’; which rings alarm bell as a moslem should discard ancestral tradition in favour of Islamic. You should say, “My wife is an Indonesian muslimah and proud of her Islamic culture”.
… she is pround of her culture. which means islamic. …
It is still unclear here. Javanese culture and Islamic culture are world apart. I say Javanese because we are the majority. Unlike sub-Javanese group (the Melayus of Brunei and Malaysia), we do not destroy ancient ruins, relic or artifacts; call them ‘un-Islamic’ and replaced them with Islamic (Arab’s). For a true Javanese, we keep religion in private domain.
I am sure Allah swt will not send dear sweet gothic sister Dee to hell just because of what she wore. Hasim, you are protraying Allah swt as a very evil and petty God. Infact I think many men will be put off, rather than turned on, with sweet Dee’s fashion choice.
Salam.
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assalam alykum wrwb,
Aluang Anak Bayang;
I am sure Allah swt will not send dear sweet gothic sister Dee to hell just because of what she wore. Hasim, you are protraying Allah swt as a very evil and petty God
In fact I think many men will be put off, rather than turned on, with sweet Dee’s fashion.Brother you should think before you speak as your own words are creating a problem. I don’t think Allah swt will send her to hell. Are you speaking for Allah swt? Very dangerous brother. I rebut your statement of portraying Allah swt in those words. Remember these are your words not mine. This would be unthinkable for me brother. All I said was to uphold Islamic value. Don’t bring unnecessary attention to yourself. This is very clear brother. I don’t judge her but I know one thing my daughter will not dress like that. Traditional gothic stems from nasarah. You have to be a role model for the non muslim and muslim. As for the cultural aspect, I am not culturally based and it has never played an integral part in my life, it is quite irrelevant as you clearly stated. If you participate in tradition to a point where it overpowers your deen then is clearly shirk if Allah swt is not the primary focus. The last statement of marriage suitability is quite interesting. Inshallah if she prays and does her obligation then she is fine for nikah. Just needs to redirect her focus away from herself. Obviously she is from a rich family with plenty time on her hands for socializing and not a poor family who struggle for daily existence. If she really would like to improve then stop wasting money on those expensive clothes, hair coloring and contribute to the overall wellbeing of the ummah. I have been to many orphanages and have not seen any of the kids wearing expensive clothing but I did see them eating a very basic nutritional meal. Why don’t we try to restore the ummah and stop living the life of overindulgence?
Sorry if I offend. May Allah swt forgive us for our bad ways? Eid mubarack to your family and hope you have all the success.
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Hasim,
You seem to be equating Islam and its values with the Arabs and their culture, please don’t make that mistake. Islam predates the time of Prophet Mohammed by millenia. Allah tells us in Al Quran that we are following the deen of Nabi Ibrahim, even Prophet Mohammed was told:
Then We revealed to thee: ‘Follow thou the creed of Abraham, a man of pure faith and no idolater.’16:123
Using your logic we should all be dressed like Ancient Hebrews, which Nabi Ibrahim was. True Islam is a universal religion applicable to all people and all times, it does not rely on the culture or the tradition of the arabs.
And before you try and tell us that Al Quran transcends all the previous revelations of Allah and supercedes them, well it doesn’t. It plainly states in repeated verses that it is a confirmation of what was sent before, not a replacement!
Hasim said:
if look throught all the deens you will clearly see the women covering there heads.
My dear friend Hasim, there is no mention of hair covering in any of the known revelations of Allah, only in the corruptions, Talmud, Gospels, and Hadith. It seems to me that there is more justification for fighting against this corruption than supporting it.
Hasim said:
if you look at arab history you will clearly see that they taught the whole world including the western world how to read and write. we can thank the iraqs for that.
You seem to be blinded to reality, the earliest written languages were Sumerian, the language of the people of Harrapa, and Egyptian, none of them Arabic, and all have examples dating to about 3400-3500 BC, even Greek has its earliest examples dated to 1450 BC about the same date as the earliest Chinese scripts.
You say we have the Iraqis to thank for teaching the western world to read and write, but it was not until the 7th century AD some 2000 years after the earliest examples of Greek written texts that Iraq became Arabic, up until that time the people being a mixture of Sumerian/Akkadian descent.
I will be waiting for your justification of womens headcovering based on Al Quran, Allah’s complete, perfect and fully detailed revelation.
Peace
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Assalamu alaikum Pak Hasim,
Our dear princess sister gothic Dee is young and energetic; and has a fondness of things gothic. As long as she is not exposing her awrat and disturbing our peace, it is none of our business to look over the fence and tell her what she can or cannot wear.
It is with relief that our dear cutie pie gothic sister Dee is not going to be sent to hell by Allah swt. The thousands of innocent victims of our recent tsunamis, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions weren’t so lucky. Allah swt had condemned them to hell for tolerating the immoral behaviour of Bules and allowing Christians to celebrate Christmas.
Brother Hasim, how can Islamic value be a role model for mankind when there are incestry (marrying of your daughter-in-law is halal); pedophily (penetrating of little girl from 6 years of age in the name of nikah) and constant jihad (at war alert until all mankind are moslem). If you are of the Islam Shiite variety, raping of goat is permitted as long as you kill it after sex and the meat sold off to non-moslem. When Islam was introduced to Indonesia, our forfathers had nitpicked away these shameful Islamic values, and mixed it with refined Javanese values. Doesn’t this tell you that Indonesia’s brand of Islam is a role model for all ummah?
Our sweet angel gothic sister Dee may be from a priviledged background; because her familiy ars blessed and has brains. But does she had to sacrifice her youth freedom for what our corrupt politicians had done to our country? What pick on our poor sister when you can write and be very vocal to our billionaires parliamentarians?
Thank you for your reply.
Salam and Eid mubarack to your family.
ps. Our dear princess gothic sister Dee is in no hurry to get nikah-ed, mind you.
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Sputjam says:
khafi said :-
True Islam is a universal religion applicable to all people and all times, it does not rely on the culture or the tradition of the arabs.
Islam is not a religion. it is a system. Some defined it as a “way” or “way of life”.
In religion, there is ritual worship. In system or “way of life”, there is no worship ritual. That is why there are no definition of worship in the koran.Also, the koran mentioned repeatedly that for the believers, they will be judged by their deeds alone. no mention that the believers will be judged by the number of rituals they performed.
remember, the koran stated several times that satan makes the act of worship pleasant to mankind.
For hasim :-
All religion have some form of idol worship activities, including the religion of islam. therefore the religion of islam is actually going against the messages in the koran. You therefore did not marry a believer, but a pagan.It is up to the individual how they want to dress up. But it is wrong to enforce a dress code for the masses. I do not expect anyone who is sane to walk around naked, even if it is legal to do so. many may dress in a sexy manner, but then it is their right to do so, as it is anyone’s right to dress in a hijab with full face veil, if they so desire.
In my opinion, any women who are descently dress are those who have their blouse that covers their arm pits, not too low cut and covers their navel, and the bottom and just above the ankle. A full hijab covering is not suitable in the tropics, due to humidity.
Unfortunately, just as europeans have deprived girls of the muslim religion to cover up in govenrment institution, muslim authorities have also imposed a dress code demanding that women dressed up in hijab in some countries, even in public places. yet the people of the muslim religion are making such a fuss over the european decision on dress code. what hypocrisy.
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Sputjam,
I know you dislike the word religion, but one of its definitions is” Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.” It does not necessarily equate to idol worship or ritual worship.
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khafi said :-
True Islam is a universal religion applicable to all people and all times, it does not rely on the culture or the tradition of the arabs.
It is wishful thinking to suggest that Islam being the universal religion when their certified clerics are the laughing stocks of this universe. Here is a list from their mouths:
– the world is flat because the Al Quran said so.
– no naked sex between married couple, otherwise the marriage is annulled.
– Pokemon is banned because it is evil.
– unmarried man and woman should not work together; however if the woman was to breast-feed her male colleague 5 times, then it is halal.
– the tsunamis, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions that killed thousands moslem were wraths of Allah swt for letting Christians celebrate Christmas.Indonesia brand of Islam like what is propagated by NU is good enough. At least we can still keep our cultural identity. We do not need True Islam in our backyard.
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AAB,
Once again you miss the whole point of what I have been saying, Islam as practiced by the Arab dominated mainstream is not the true Islam, and its clerics are not promoting the true Islam, True Islam does infact allow you the freedom of choice to practice what you wish, what it insists on is Belief in God, Belief in the Day of Judgement and doing good deeds, if you want to be an Arab Wannabe or even a Joyoboyo Wannabe, that is your choice, True Islam upholds the principle that there is no compulsion, and that every body will be judged on their actions.
Let us just see which direction NU take, they seem to have been less enlightened in their outlook recently don’t they? Certainly not the moderate group they once were.
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dear brother, Mesopotamia was one of the first modem civilization which is now known as today iraq. They taught the world how to write. They were not arabs at the time but there bloodlines are related. Aluang Anak Bayang your views on the Islamic principals are really not from islam at all. You need to differentiate your statement from the religion. I don’t think your knowledge of islam is factual. I pray that Allah swt shows you the nur of the deen and fulfills your empty life. As for the brother who would like to change the quran you are a kufir. I hope and pray that Allah swt destroys your life on this dunya and arkirrah or shows you you’re wrongs and puts you on the right path. The quran is in Arabic not English brother. Allah swt will always protect the Quran in Arabic so your efforts are in vain. The dunya is short and you will leave it soon. Many people have tried to do that but have failed. As for the Goth sister maybe she should reconsider her nikah as I have many bule brothers who would fine her beautiful and are looking for marriage. I give her respect for adhering to Islamic dress stipulated in the quran. Obviously nobody forced her to do so as one brother seems to think so.
This is time wasting and hopefully I will not participate in these false talks anymore. I think you should all try to get some friends and socialize instead of spend your lonely days on the computer.
Last but not least, you can’t win a discussion with someone who thinks they are right. You will always lose. There arrogances always gets in there way of seeing laterally.
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Teng says:
As for the brother who would like to change the quran you are a kufir. I hope and pray that Allah swt destroys your life on this dunya
This shows what a fundamentalist piece of crap you are. “Wanna re-write the Quran… I hope you die” Allah doesn’t need your help to judge people.
I think you should all try to get some friends and socialize instead of spend your lonely days on the computer.
And so should you… considering you are sitting behind the computer typing that reply. Although it’s hard for me to imagine who would actually want to be your friend considering the views on life you have
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Thank you, Teng.
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Abdul Latif says:
Aluang Anak Bayang says we must adopt Arab culture to truly practice Islam. Where does that come from? Our History tells us that one of the reason for discord in our ummah during the time of the umayyads caliphate was precisely this thinking. The abbasids were able to end the rule of the umayyads because many Muslims were resistant to this imposing of Arab culture and values upon them. African and Persian Muslims resisted this line of thinking. Instead of uniting us it divided us. The abbasids united with the party of Ali (persians) folks and revolted against the umayyads who hav become somewhat elitist in their thinking and actions. The whole agrument, even as The Prophet was dying, can be linked to the fear of Arab cultural domination.
Why do you think the Persian insisted on the appointment of Ali as Caliph; because he was related by marriage to the prophet? perhaps. More likely it was related to his being of Persian descent.; as the Persians thought themselves more intellectually and culturally advanced than the Arab. The Persian Empire had been an equal to that of the Romans
Allah swt says that the Quran was revealed in Arabic so that the people of Arabia would understand it and not have excuses. Islam is for all peoples. Cultural identity is not against Islam. You are thinking like the people of Judaism who think that God favors them. Allah does not favor the Arab, nor the Jew; Allah has promised mercy to those of the human race who believe in the oneness of God, who do good deeds, who believe in the angels, and who place no one above God or equal to God by worshiping anything other than God.
We commit shirk when we portray Allah as petty; as bring concerned with how people dress or wear their hair or beard. Modesty and moderation in all tings is what Allah has advised us.
I agree with Mohammed Khafi who said “Islamic scholars? They do more harm to Islam than you. The Ummah are only repeating the mistakes of the past by following their advice:
They take their rabbis, priests and monks to be their Lords* besides Allah. And they take as their Lord, the Messiah son of Mary. Yet they were commanded to worship but One God. There is no god but He. Praise and Glory to Him, He is far too Glorious for what they ascribe to Him. 9:31
Just replace “rabbis, priests and monks”, with “Islamic Scholars, Mullahs and Ulama”, and replace “The Messiah son of Mary”, with “The Prophet Mohammed”, and you have a modern warning to the mainstream Muslims!” When we worship ulema we commit shirk. These Ulema have tried to add to the Quran with Hearsay and farbricated hadiths. All of our problems stem from interpretations of hadith; perhaps thia use of another book beside Quran is the rasn for the calamities you mention. You don’t know and neithr to I why or what Allah is thinking or doing.
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As for the brother that wants to tamper with the Quran; what is wrong with you? Are you nuts? surely you are not Muslim. Allah says the Quran is perfected and protected. How dare you even think of altering the teachings of Allah. You must be a evangelist in disguise. Certainly if anyone is a worshiper of Satan it isn’t Dee; you’re a more likely candidate.
For the rest of you judgmental folks Judgment belongs to Allah. You may think yourselves better, but Allah warns us against this pious arrogant thinking. Allah will judge us. Allah is most just, most merciful. We need to be more tolerate of our brothers and siters. If you want to show us how to live in the way of Islam; Do it humbly and by example. Keep your opinions to yourself. One hadith says, I like this one, If you don’t have anything good to say about your brother or sister, or in general for that matter, remain silent.
Certainly some hadith are true, but the Question is which ones. If they are not in conflict with Quran, and help bring about unity and good in our ummah use them. use them as advice or wisdom but not as absolute truths or addendum’s to Quran, let the scholars trip on it. they too will answer to Allah for the confusion they are causing in Islam
May Allah bless us and guide us to truth.
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Pakmantri says:
Hasim said:
Last but not least, you can’t win a discussion with someone who thinks they are right. You will always lose. There arrogances always gets in there way of seeing laterally.
So, Hasim, which one are you? Do you think you are right or wrong? And I did not see you are very humble either…………. 😀
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Dear Khafi, you said this –
Islamic scholars? They do more harm to Islam than you. The Ummah are only repeating the mistakes of the past by following their advice:
They take their rabbis, priests and monks to be their Lords* besides Allah. And they take as their Lord, the Messiah son of Mary. Yet they were commanded to worship but One God. There is no god but He. Praise and Glory to Him, He is far too Glorious for what they ascribe to Him. 9:31
Just replace “rabbis, priests and monks”, with “Islamic Scholars, Mullahs and Ulama”, and replace “The Messiah son of Mary”, with “The Prophet Mohammed”, and you have a modern warning to the mainstream Muslims!
and now you rebuke me for agreeing with you.
You said you are a follower of the messages in the koran, but you maintain its rituals prayers, which is absent from these messages? How the hell did the imams eveloved into the picture? Even prophet muhamed never did claim to be imam, but a mere messenger of God. His job was to deliver God’s message, not to give speeches and religious sermons. It is up to the individual whether they understnd the messages or not.
The Koran mentioned that God is omnipresent (he is everywhere, and it does not matter whether you face the east or the west, and He is closer to you than your jugular veins.)
Wake up! There is no such things as the religion of islam. It was man created, with its full rituals and religious scholars and places of worship. Submission to God is not a religion. You either submit to God’s request to follow the straight path, or you reject it. What is the straight path?
There is no worship in the straight path, for God is free of all wants. All you have to do is :-
a) honour your parents
b) Serve God
c) Do not kill another person
d) Do not cheat
e) Do not lie
f) adultery is forbidden
g) Do not touch the orphan’s money except for their benefit
h) do not accept anything that you yourself canot ascetain
i) speak amicably to people
j) Be honest
k) give to charity
m) do not marry the underage and pagan/unbelievers
n) certain food are fobidden.
o) strive in the path of God against those who strive against you, but not to aggress.
p) Yop shall observe the commitments and humble yourself, with those who are humble.These are the straight path. Therefore to be muslims, you have to be on this path. Unfortunately, people of the muslim religion will do the opposite.
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Abdul Latif ,
“Allah says the Quran is perfected and protected.”
Does Allah say that or do the people who wrote the Koran AFTER the Prophet’s death? Or the people who have re-written the Koran for over millennium?
“How dare you even think of altering the teachings of Allah.”
We do not intend to alter Allah’s teachings. We wish to purify Allah’s teachings from human alterations. Let me give you an example. The Koran tells us to respect the People of the Book (Christians and Jews.) The Koran also tells us not to take them for friends. Which one is that? You must be either stupid or blind not to see this contradiction, which is one of many. We know that Allah is infallible; therefore, he cannot contradict himself. The only possible conclusion is that the Koran has been altered by nefarious people.
“Keep your opinions to yourself.”
Who died and made you king? What’s with the delusions of grandeur? What makes you think that you are the only one who can express your opinion, but the rest of us cannot?
“If you don’t have anything good to say about your brother or sister, or in general for that matter, remain silent.”
We not going to remain silent when degenerates like bin Laden blow up people in our name. Islamists murder ten Muslims for every non-Muslim and the only reason for that is that the Ummah remains silent.
“Certainly some hadith are true, but the Question is which ones. If they are not in conflict with Quran”
What do you do when the Koran is in conflict with itself?
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Please do not judge anyone who claims to be Muslim or even non-Muslims – who we know will taste the fire of hell.
Dee is a sister who has found a way to express her emotions. Like we all have found our own ways. Goth is a sub-culture related to music only. It was started in Britain during the end of punk and I grew up within its influences. Living in the west you either grow up with Michael Jackson or madonna music bellowing out of your house. But for some of us we like dark, emotional and inspiring music. Some wear denim jeans inspired by the boybands they like, others wear sport wear as worn by the rap stars they listen to. Goths wear black because it keeps them in harmony with their own emotions.
Goths dont have a specific religion and in no way related to satanism or Christianity. Goths of medievel times did and there are a few today who go beyond to feel like a true goth, but goth is just an expression of our own humanity. We dont promote self harming or pain unto others. We just hate the capitalist bullsh*t conveyed by the filthy leaders of the world. We all like music but for us it brings emotional attachement. When there are music with Christian or satanistic references in the lyrics, they are excluded.
Now this is where it all gets tasty – Being goths and a Muslim can never be entwined as one way of life. But the emotions built up can help us in Jihad. Jihad as a personal struggle for dignity, justice and freedom. We have learnt that the world and its people have nothing to offer us and that we must seek our own path. Relevent as a mujahid of Islam as Jihadism and gothism are both anarchic movements. Rebelling against society and the state influences that render us as nothing but mere subjects of scrutiny. Death and destruction is embeded in the epitaphs of mankind. Some of us have learnt to absorb this and look for peaceful ways to coexist with our neighbours. Islam is our light but we cannot ignore the dark clouds that hang over us.
As we walk the lands of this world and realise that Only the Supreme Creator (SWT) can give us what we want, to stand up against what we dont like or unacceptable is our right. As Muslims we must erase the love of all things worldly. One day goth culture will be eliminated from our souls and we will move towrds the day when true judgement of ALLAH(SWT) will be implemented on the lands.
Muslims goths can maybe leave the luxuries brought by our mortal existance. Can lovers of Britany Spears and other mini dajals leave theirs??
At the end of the day, we are all corrupted by the thoughts of enjoyments and no-one can be a proper Muslim enough to judge others. But as long as we know that we are here on earth to worship our Lord Of The Universe, Our True Guardian and Sustainer, ALLAH (SWT) and take it upon ourself to take the message to all who follow the road to hell. Only then we can truely succeeed.
Thank you and Ma Salama