Judicial Review Cases, UU Porno
Mar 3rd, 2009, in News, by Patung
Educating the public about the pornography bill and legal challenges against UU Porno at the Constitutional Court.
Socialization
On 30th October 2008 the controversial pornography bill (UU Pornografi, text in Indonesian and English translation) was passed by the parliament.
On 9th December 2008 president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono (SBY) signed it into law, after having examined it and found that it guaranteed freedom of expression and protected traditional customs, according to spokesman Andi Mallarangeng. okezone
Information minister Muhammad Nuh said the government would begin a program of “socialization”, i.e. educating the public about the law, particularly in areas where opposition to it was centred, they being in non-Muslim majority provinces like Bali, North Sulawesi, Papua, NTT, and in tourism oriented Yogyakarta. suarasurabaya
Conservative backers of the law such as the Regent of Karanganyar, Priantono Jarot Nugroho, asked the government to get busy with the socialization program, to prevent the current moral degradation in the country from worsening. antara
Muhammad Nuh stated that the law clearly protected traditional rites and forms of dress (Article 3), as well as personal privacy. Koteka (penis sheath) wearing Papuans and Sundanese jaipong dancers had nothing to fear, because these things were part of indigenous culture. He welcomed any judicial challenges to the law. kompas
Judicial Review
The Governor of Bali, I Made Mangku Pastika, said in late December 2008 that he would support any effort to challenge the law at the Constitutional Court in Jakarta, and that local government agencies would be put to work to help prepare any legal challenge. vivanews
Cirylus Bau Engo of the Nusa Tenggara Timur (NTT) parliament said people in NTT did not want the law applied in the province and that the way out of the problem was appealing against it at the Constitutional Court. gatra
Andrikus Mofu of the Persekutuan Gereja-gereja in West Papua, a church organisation, told DPR chairman Agung Laksono in November that the PGG would sponsor a class action against the law. okezone
However as of writing the only case against the Pornography bill to have come before the Mahkamah Konstitusi, briefly, emanates from North Sulawesi/Manado, where a dozen or so church and Minahasa cultural groups attempted to bring a case on February 22nd in Jakarta, specifically against Article 1, on the (loose) definition of pornography, Article 4, on the production and distribution of pornographic materials, and Article 10, on the banning of public performances thought pornographic. vivanews
However the justices decided that the legal standing of the challenge was not clear and declined to hear the case. Justice Maria Farida Indriati said
You all come from Minahasa groups but in your plea you talk about Papuan and Betawi people, who are you actually representing?
Justice Akil Mochtar advised them to bring the case as individual citizens of Indonesia, not as representatives of social organisations, and to clear up the basic errors in the submission, and then try again at a later date. kompas
187 Comments on “Judicial Review Cases, UU Porno”
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schmerly says:
Assmad..
Schmerly can watch and learn for technique, then he, Oigal, and others can join in the second wave.
I can’t wait the hear who the others are?
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Achmad Sudarsono says:
Oke, Seksi Friends,
Advance team: (Seksi) Mr. Patoengs, Mr. Oigal (he and Schmerls can work it out), Barry Prima.
“Rear guard” action: myself, Mr. Cukis, AAB, PN.
Why was PN banned anyway, Pateongs ? Obvious reasons ?
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He kept threatening people he disagreed with, you never saw the worst of it, asking for people’s KITAS number, talking about BIN, threats of physical violence, putting guns in people’s mouths, I could go on. Pretending to be Javanese/Indonesian started to creep me out because he started dumbing down his English to make it look like he wasn’t a native speaker, and it just creeped me out…
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Hey Patung,
Sorry to hear it. Think you did the right thing.
Unpleasant, but the ban is encouraging. Unlike the sad folk who live in the real Hobbesian world, netizens don’t always need a higher authority. :- )
Again, sorry to hear it.
x o.
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Lairedion says:
PN is a sick f**ker.
I did a simple Google search on his name and he’s even infesting a girl site here.
P, Western European governments are not Nazi but my point was that your statement on people don’t deserving a future could be easily taken out of context.
Btw, pretending to be Javanese/Indonesian reminds me of another person….
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I did a simple Google search on his name and he’s even infesting a girl site here.
My favourite one of his comments off site is
if you didn’t eat so much- maybe you could find a good man?
Women should only have one meal a day- that’s how much I allow my wife and daughter.
Too many meals- and they get a fat arse and thus no husband.From http://pleinelune.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/penny-wong/
P, Western European governments are not Nazi but my point was that your statement on people don’t deserving a future could be easily taken out of context.
Yes well I could and probably should have put it better.
Btw, pretending to be Javanese/Indonesian reminds me of another person….
Sometimes it’s funny…
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Yeah, I read that one too. What a nut.
Lately PN is active on this site, vomiting his usual filth….
And that was my last comment I wasted on this sucker…..
Sometimes it’s funny…
Fair enough….
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I’ve just been reading PN’s posts from the links, what a vicious nasty bastard he is! I pity his poor family.
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ET says:
About PN
Pretending to be Javanese/Indonesian started to creep me out because he started dumbing down his English to make it look like he wasn’t a native speaker
No, no, he wasn’t pretending, he is genuine Javanese. I had his post in Javanese to fullmoonflower regarding me checked by a Javanese friend and was told that his vocabulary and phrasing could only come from a native Javanese.
On the other hand he had his intellectual merits and could well have been taught by the Jesuits as he pretended. But what a waste.
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ET,
Not really convincing.
PN could be married to a Javanese and have his wife written his Javanese posts or maybe he also has a Javanese friend like you. And Purba is a Batak marga name.
Oops, another comment wasted….
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I’m probably out of topic but if you want to study popoulation trends is useful to talk about both birth rates and death rates. What you may find (big generalisation) is that in developed countries birth and death rates decreased by about the same amount whilst in developing nations death rates have decreased while birth rates have remained relatively unchanged. Hence a large a sudden increase in growth rates for developing nations.
There will certainly be a need for immigration into developed countries – pension plans will drive it if nothing else. What will be interesting would be to study the birthrates of second and third generation immigrants to see if they match the local rates. -
Mr Tic Tac Toe says:
No, no, he wasn’t pretending, he is genuine Javanese.
Perhaps he is, but perhaps he is just well versed in kromo inggil or something. Kromo inggil is not a common dialect, a bataknese who talk in kromo inggil words with common javanese will be considered as royal javanese.
What puzzled me is this:
maka adalah masuk akal negri yang mencuri (dari pada wong Inggris) kembali pemilik yang syah
(from the link Pak Lai gave)
He doesnt sound like indonesian to me. It seems that he doesnt know how to make passive sentence in indonesian language. I have the same problem with english, sometimes.
It supposed to be: “maka adalah masuk akal negri yang dicuri (oleh wong Inggris) kembali ke pemilik yang syah
otherwise it will mean he wants to return malaysia to the british, becoz malaysians stole the land from them. Which is incoherent with his general view.
Native Indonesian speakers will not even think how to use me-, di-, ke. Its natural to indonesians.
another example on the same passive sentence problem:
Indonesia akan mengkirim tanah yang mencuri.
What the heck is that supposed to mean? Indonesia will send a land which steals???
he is one crazy dude, if you ask me.
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ET, no he was from Scunthorpe, or the Scottish equivalent to Scunthorpe.
There will certainly be a need for immigration into developed countries – pension plans will drive it if nothing else.
Hi PJ, yes, but there is a fair amount of political, popular resistance to this, I saw a poll from Britain the other day which put the number one concern of voters as “reduce immigration”. I think John Howard in Oz was fairly cunning, and undemocratic, about this though, he played to anti-immigration sentiment of people to win elections while at the same time overseeing a massive increase in immigration – maybe nobody noticed.
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I, Achmad Sudarsono, must help boost German fertility levels.
I will lead an advance “special forces” seksi team of me, Cukurungan, AAB, and Mr. Purba Negoro.
Good idea. The infrastructure is already in place. All they have to do is reopen their Erholungslager (recreational camps, an euphemism for breeding grounds or baby factories where German soldiers got their rewards for heroic behaviour, not unlike the mujahideen and their 72 virgins, but still alive) if there are any left from WWII. But due to the shortage of pure Aryans and declining sperm count they may have to adapt their racial policies.
Deutsche Gründlichkeit never fails. Sieg heil.
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
@ Mr Tic Tac Toe
Perhaps he is, but perhaps he is just well versed in kromo inggil or something. Kromo inggil is not a common dialect, a bataknese who talk in kromo inggil words with common javanese will be considered as royal javanese.
LOL. Kromo Inggil? Aside from Fullmoonflower, where has Kromo Inggil been used?Better leave the identification to a full-blooded Javanese.
I have been trying to figure out where he is from. Here are some known clues:
1) A Javanese will not use ‘Purba Negoro’ as a name. If he is Batak, maybe. But he claimed to be a Javanese, so it has to be his pseudonym.
2) He claimed Sri Sultan returned a plot of land to his parents, so I assumed he must be from Yogya. I wrote to him in local Yogya dialect, he replied, but with Semarang vocab. I questioned him about it and he said, ‘Thanks for my noticing it”. So he must be from Semarang or connected with someone from Semarang.
3) I agree his Bahasa Indonesia/Melayu is not from a native speaker with all the mistakes Mr Tic Tac Toe pointed out.
4) Despite the above, I am inclined to think he is Javanese or his spouse is Javanese. If he is not, he is deserving to be one for all his insightful knowledge of our people, culture, vision and values of Javanese; just as our Pak Achmad.
Anyway, it is a pity he is banned because we need someone with all the spare time in the world to counter Dragonball, Oigal and schmerly [sic].
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diego says:
@AAB: I guess we can stop “worrying” (not sure the right word) about dragie already.
@Lairedion: I remember what you wrote on the other thread “every society needs its idiot to bash around”. 🙂 I guess our society is lacking one these days. Who’s to blame?
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TTT
“Indonesia will send a land which steals???”
That could be a slogan on a bandung t-shirt.
just sayin 🙂
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@ AAB..
Anyway, it is a pity he is banned because we need someone with all the spare time in the world to counter Dragonball, Oigal and schmerly [sic].
Come on AAB! the guy’s a raving lunatic, just follow the links above, and as Patung said:
He kept threatening people he disagreed with, you never saw the worst of it, asking for people’s KITAS number, talking about BIN, threats of physical violence, putting guns in people’s mouths, I could go on.
Do you really want that sort of thing on IM?
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@ schmerly [sic]
Do you really want that sort of thing on IM?
Your deficiency in Javanism explain it all.
We are polite to cultured people. However, with loud-mouths and red-necks like Dragonball, Oiga and yourself, we use boso bangsat.
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@ AAB.. Drop the Java rhetoric yeah, your sounding like a broken record, surely even you can think of some new to say, or maybe I’m being overly optimistic in your case.
We are polite to cultured people.
Really? If that’s the case, where are you from?
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AAB
If he is not, he is deserving to be one for all his insightful knowledge of our people, culture, vision and values of Javanese;
Thanks to his insightful knowledge of the Javanese people, culture, vision and values he sure left a very positive image of Java behind.
He should be appointed as an Ambassador. -
@ ET
His sin was his debate style, not his knowledge.
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Suryo Perkoso says:
Interesting comment about the BoJo – most of Mr PN’s jowo was nggoko tempered with madya – very little inggil slung in – it’s just something a native speaker doesn’t do, but bules do when they forget the ngokko for something. The BI is also from someone with a bit of knowledge, a dictionary or an online translator – the ” yang mencuri” instead of “dicuri” gives that one away.
Only leaves me and achmad left as wong jowo sing tenan.
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Suryo Perkoso said:
Only leaves me and achmad left as wong jowo sing tenan.
Mas, I invite you to read Achmad’s first post here on IM, especially his first comment in which he replies to Pakmantri, a genuine Javanese. Reading further you’ll see his so-called Javanese image being broken down by a string of flaws and blunders.
https://indonesiamatters.com/1438/mojopahit/AAB,
PN’s knowledge of Javanese culture is rubbish and entirely self-fabricated. He had such interesting new insights as Surabaya being the largest city in Central Java and addressing his fellow bule poser Achmad as Mas Achmad, son of Darsono. Never knew the “Su” in Javanese names means “son of”. That’s bad news for Ki Manteb Soedarsono, the great dalang who has a son named Medot Sudarsonoputra.
To conclude, it’s too damn easy to expose these bule clowns….
diego,
I’m sure we haven’t heard the last of the drag queen but schmerly could be a serious contender to fill in the gap. He shows the same behaviour by commenting twice or thrice in a row, often using strong words…
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Who would have thought old “sak biting” would still be about…..
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Um, Lairdie, Sobat, Konco,
To conclude, it’s too damn easy to expose these bule clowns….
It’s true. I’ve said it many times. These bule clowns. They should study The Pancasila.
Good to see you’re such a dilligent scorekeeper and can spare the memory cells for conversations — from nearly 18 months ago !
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So, gringo, what did you learn about Pancasila in these 18 months because it’s obvious you didn’t receive any PMP….
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Lordy, Lairedey, why u so grumpy all of a sudden ? Bad weekend ?
divining my true origins ain’t exactly a piece of detective work for anyone with enough time to waste to read my stuff. As a poet, pencak silat teacher, and ukulele player, I have much time.
but alas, i must join excuse myself to join the Kampanye in this festival of democracy.
Drs. A. Sudarsono.
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AAB
His sin was his debate style, not his knowledge.
Knowledge? Like statements that there is no historical record of tsunamis in Irian? Shall I go on? I said he had certain intellectual merits, but excellence and accuracy weren’t certainly among them.
But you can’t leave it, can you? The Javanese, or should I say brown solidarity, is showing its stubborn head again. Whatever the matter or whoever the culprit, as long as you suppose – even erroneously – that he or she is from your tribe there is always an apology.
You have to admit that this tribalism is something bule are less culpable of. At least the educated have learned to look further than the color of ones skin.
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Oigal..
That’s the last thing you want lah!!