Perseus on white girls not going for Asian guys, and differences between white women and Indonesian women.
White girls (e.g. Australian girls) have a reluctance to date/marry Asian men. It is quite common to see a white guy with an Asian girl but less common to see a white girl with an Asian guy.
Why?
According to a blog discussion smh at the Sydney Morning Herald there are various answers.
Caucasian men are seen as more masculine (in that they are bigger, more muscular and more aggressive).
Asian girls are seen as more feminine (more petite, submissive, compliant).
Asian men are smaller, slighter, shorter and a white girl wants her man to be bigger than she is not smaller. She wants to look petite next to her big boyfriend not like an elephant next to a teeny tiny guy.
Elsewhere I have seen it suggested that penis size is a factor. Asian men are said to be less well endowed than Caucasian men (who are in turn less well endowed than African men). I am told by a white guy who lives in Bali and who has a handphone filled with the numbers of countless Indonesian mistresses that Indonesian men are reluctant to give women oral pleasure.
So, for the brown man who seeks to woo the white woman, the deck is stacked against you. This is not to discourage, merely to heighten your glory should you triumph. ๐ You may need to learn some new tricks. Cunning linguistics for starters, chaps…
There are sharp differences between Ms Bule and Ms Indo.
Ms Bule will not ask you for taxi money, for shopping, for help with her rent or for handphone credit. She may even be insulted if you try to buy her dinner. There is no need to fork our for medical bills for her sick relations – the welfare state provides. She may insist on "going dutch" which means each person pays their share of the restaurant bill. This is not always so. Ms Bule is generally defensive about men buying her stuff initially until you prove that you are not a dickhead. Ms Indo, I suspect, might be gravely insulted if you expect her to pick up the tab for her own Long Island Tea.
Ms Bule is likely to be more adventurous and demanding in bed than Ms Indo. Ms Indo thinks getting naked, giving you a rub between the legs and parting her own legs is enough. Ms Bule will expect cunnilingus, will give fellatio and will expect an orgasm of some kind. Hopping on, sorting yourself out and not pleasuring Ms Bule will lead to your being dumped in short order. Ms Bule will be up for sex on the sofa, in the bathroom and on the kitchen table as well as in bed. Ms Bule probably owns a vibrator. If you are no good in bed, Ms Bule may well dump you. Ms Bule is likely to want varied positions (cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, doggy, spoon etc). She may even be up for anal but this is a minority preference.
Ms Bule will not tolerate you bossing her around in chauvinistic fashion. Though you are expected to read her mind and be decisive. (I.e magically decide to do what she wants to do.) This is tricky.
If you think Ms Bule is going to stay and home and cook and have your babies, you may be in for a shock. Ms Bule may have your babies and go back to work and put your babies in childcare. She may take a few years off and work part time until the youngest child is in primary school. She is unlikely to give up work completely to devote herself to family.
Ms Bule is unlikely to marry you unless you have lived together for a while first.
Ms Bule will indicate if marriage is on the cards by introducing you to her
friends and her family. However, it is quite normal for Ms Bule to have a boyfriend that never meets her parents. I have rarely introduced my girlfriends to my parents. Not meeting the parents is generally an indication that the relationship is not serious.
Most divorces in Australia are initiated by women.
There is no concept of the woman "following the man" in Australian law. Women have equal rights to men with regard to inheritance, property, voting etc. There is nothing like the differential treatment of men and women with respect to inheritance as found in Islamic Law. It is quite common for Ms Bule to earn more than Mr Bule.
On holiday, Ms Bule may fall in lust/love with a sultry eyed, handsome brown fellow with a smooth tongue and exotic turns of phrase.
My darling, my darling, you are so beautiful, I love you, I love you
seems to be the standard opening gambit of the Kuta Cowboy. White men never open like this. Maybe we should? Ms Bule will be happy to pay for dinner and drinks. However, when the holiday is over, she may not persist in staying in touch. She may decide her Kuta Cowboy was some holiday fun and leave it at that.
Ms Bule is more likely to engage in casual sex away from home. The double standard applies. The man who has many women is a stud; the woman who has many men is a slut. On holiday, lust can be indulged without paying a price with reputation. Tropical weather often inflames Ms Bule’s passions. For Caucasian girls – summer is breeding time to give birth in spring 9 months later. Humidity often makes them horny. It also often makes them exhausted!
All women look for "social proof". Some evidence that you are solvent and can protect and provide. A degree of assertiveness and strength blended with kindness and consideration. Given the differences in income between Indonesia and Australia, this means an Indonesian guy has a big money mountain to climb here. However, love can conquer all.
It you catch her eye with your looks and your clothes, you are quarter way there. If you can break the ice, be funny and entertaining and can make a girl relaxed and laugh, you are halfway there. If you can listen to what she says and keep the conversation interesting and entertaining. If you believe in yourself and believe that women should want you then you are three quarters there. If you are firm but kind, strong but considerate, know when to isolate and know when to kiss then you will probably get over the line. If you can show her an aspect of Indonesia, she is not likely to experience in a tourist brochure, that is a good opening. Heck, if you can recite poetry and play a ukelele, you might be in like Flynn as white men have forgotten these seductive arts.
All the above statements are generalizations. You will find exceptions to all of them. There are some white girls who want to be kept as mistresses who will ask you for taxi money, rent or study assistance and/or a regular allowance. Some white girls like to be bossed around. Some want to wear the pants in the relationship and have a subservient man who will remove garbage when ordered. Some white women will simply not be interested in anything other other than a serious relationship view marriage with a man approved of by their parents. A few are still virgins on their wedding night.
When it comes to men and women, generalizations are always less interesting than the particular facts. All women are different. No two are the same. This is what makes them a source of endless fascination!
Western girls are more adventurous between the sheets than Indonesian girlsโฆ
Let me put this in the right way. These are words spoken from an Anglo-Celtic/WASP point of view. These girls must bring in some raunchiness to fill in for the lack of class and natural beauty, hence the perception Western girls are more adventurous between the sheets. And what does more adventurous mean anyway? I can think of many adventurous yet disgusting sexual acts.
Western is not only the British and Celts and their descendants worldwide. Here in Europe the British women are infamous for the above-mentioned characteristics and their constantly drunken state of mind. If you want to meet real classy, beautiful bule women you must travel to continental Europe or Latin America.
When I was in my teens I often went to soccer camp in Denmark and Sweden and there I got to meet the true beautiful pirang bule girls. I once have been to Venezuela and I felt I was walking in a toy store like a little child although the bule women over there are more olive-skinned. I have a friend of mixed Dutch-Indo background and he married a stunningly beautiful Hungarian woman. The Czech capital Prague is not only a beautiful city well-known for its spectacular buildings but also for its woman folk. The same can be said of Serbs and Croats.
But London, Glasgow, Sydney, Melbourne and Auckland were depressing. There are beautiful Oz women of Greek, Italian, Croat or Serb descent however if I hear the Oz English from their mouths the sexiness disappears immediately.
rima fauzi said:
Lairedion: please do ask your father to share the secret of his success.
ive been successful too in โcatching mr. buleโ but at the end of the day, i ended up marrying fellow indonesians. yes, plural.
Well, Mbak rima, my father didn’t have to do anything special. As a young man he was very excited to go on and study in Holland. In the 60’s the Dutch began to shrug off church influence and conservative outlooks and anything different than white milk was considered exotic. To be honest I guess my father arrived at the right time (1964) at the right place.
Me myself ended up also marrying an Indonesian woman anyway after dating various bule women. It’s not that I was particularly searching after. It just clicked after meeting each other through mutual friends and relatives in Bandung. We are happily married and I have no complaints about the sex but I must say my wife is brought up with no significant religious background (KTP style) so she didn’t carry the “all sex is immoral and dirty” burden like so many Muslim and Christian girls.
I’m happy to see you do have that natural attitude despite your strong religious background.
Why such venom Assmad..I was defending your sexual prefences..you gay blade you..
P.N. Sorry you had display a modicum of wit and orginality to engage…Racists, fools and bigots tend to bore me…so as you fit all three..ta da…(oh do spare us the 57 paragraph and 108 references…yawn…..)
Oigal:
Takes one to know one, does it not?
I advise all Australians to stay out of the water- the Japanese whaling season is nigh and I hear Ahab is on the warpath
Ahab ?
Purba – it’s the 21st – not 19th century .
Yes- Ahabemi “Ahab” Yamamoto. He has a carbon-fibre leg.
Achmad, you can call me Ishmail, I’ll call you my Starbuck.
No – I’ll call you the Scarlet Wetter.
lol
Takes one to know one, does it not?
I advise all Australians to stay out of the water- the Japanese whaling season is nigh and I hear Ahab is on the warpath
PN..I am mildy impressed although you still fail on orginality..”takes one to know one”…really?? but you did manage to keep it to three (if barely rational) three lines..
How on earth did you resist cut and pasting the entire book of Moby Dick?…
oops sorry almost forgot………YAWN
I am rubber, you are glue?
Those in glass houses?
Pot, kettle, black?
Wow what a tired re-hashing of all the most cliche stereotypes about western women / indonesian women.
*sigh* Haven’t we already had this banal discussion a thousand times over on IM?
Poor post.. I guess that’s why it’s in the “opinion” section.
I used to like this site…
Peter,
It is typical for the Bule not to want to hear the truth. Sometimes the white man can’t take hearing a brown man telling him how to be civilized.
Perseus,
Care to elaborate on the below comment:
The brown man ainโt too good at being told his logic is broken and his relevance non-existent for that matter. Nor does he appreciate being told his much vaunted culture is a large pile of superstitious, inefficient crap.
My, my, again and again the minority complexes of the brown men. ๐
The brown men are always ready to hear the truth and the brown men don’t like killing ….?
Sorry, as abrown man I have to laugh loudly!!! ๐ ๐ ๐
Achmad (Hi, Achmad), I expect more from an ukulele playing poet ….
“and again the minority complex”
Correction: “inferiority“.
Sorry, have had a very short night, came back from Paris.
Question: If you put Mak Erot, Herman Melville, Nathaniel Hawthorne and Alexander Starbuck in a shaker and mix them together thoroughly what do you get?
Answer: A thread in IM on how to catch
a) Ms Bule
b) a whale
c) a headache
Dewa,
4th possibility:
d) a whale like facile thinking bullheaded allways against zionism and whites oriented wanna catch Ms Bule with headache. ๐
Perseus,
“One should not take this thread overly seriously. ๐”
Some take any discussion, wether about tahu or tempe, very seriously, because even if you talk about tempe, it will be interpreted as an assault of the whites against the browns. ๐
Sorry Achmad, not sure which “white man” you’re talking about, pasti bukan saya. Hey, I might even be darker than you, old friend. Reminds me – I want my money back for that “white beauty” “milk” soap (with green tea!) I payed Rp 60.000 for last month.
Perseus, betul – opinion articles shouldn’t be taken too seriously, I suppose. But if you feel somewhat awful when writing, it’s probably a sign to scrap whatever you’ve been working on and start something new, kan?
Perseus,
Shame you don’t have the conviction of your words.
Perseus,
You called the brown man’s culture a pile of “inefficient, superstitious crap,” — I think you should have the guts to stump up & substantiate…
Perseus,
Papua seems to be land of the brown man, as far as I can see.
Rubber time = I think they have it in semi-white man places like Mexico.
Corruption= plenty of it in Buleland.
Parasitism= ?
Bali Rituals = um, Catholic rituals ?
Sharia = Arabs invented it.
The bule forgets the most inefficient distraction of all:
professional sport and the rituals of sport-hero worship
As per Communism- what gave the West the Right to fight it?
Or are you opposed to brown men having the right of political choice?
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I have the exact opposite experience. I find western girls less adventurous because they have a certain “image” of how sex should be…. and Indonesian girls to be totally open (and rather kinky) because they do not have that image.
I must admit both my sample groups are not large at all though