Signs That Your Son is Gay
Aug 29th, 2008, in News, by Patung
Ahmad Dhani’s theories on how rock music can prevent your son becoming gay.
Rock musician Ahmad Dhani, or Dhani Ahmad, ex-husband of Maia, recently said that he was very concerned that his sons would one day become gay, particularly with the mass murderer Ryan case still on his mind, and because in Jakarta these days there were a lot of gays around, and:
Being gay is like being a drug user.
From when his boys were very young Dhani said he had tried to ensure that they heard lots of rock music, because real men like rock music. One of the early warning signs of homosexuality in children was:
If your young son doesn’t like rock music you have to be on your guard, because gays don’t like rock music.
There might be other methods:
Parents have to find ways to prevent their children becoming gay.
Dhani and one of his sons.
If children did eventually become homosexual then their father was to blame: inilah
It’s the fault of the father for not inculcating in the boy the right spirit.
95 Comments on “Signs That Your Son is Gay”
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tomaculum says:
CDC:
“America’s gay and lesbian population comprises a diverse community with disparate health concerns. Major health issues for gay men are HIV/AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases, substance abuse, depression, and suicide.
Image of female couple on stairs.Gay male adolescents are two to three times more likely than their peers to attempt suicide. Some evidence suggests lesbians have higher rates of smoking, overweight, alcohol abuse, and stress than heterosexual women. The issues surrounding personal, family, and social acceptance of sexual orientation can place a significant burden on mental health and personal safety.*“ -
Patrick says:
Hi Tomaculum – You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that as that freedom is the very cornerstone of democracy. However, be aware that there was a Dutch study published not long ago in the Archives of General Psychiatry concerning people who had no history of psychological disorders prior to engaging in homosexuality. Within 12 months of the first homosexual experiences many of these subjects were diagnosed with various forms of mental illness including bi-polarism, major depression, panic disorder etc,. The study also concluded that the psychiatric diseases observed by the study cannot be attributed to social rejection and homophobia.
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“Within 12 months of the first homosexual experiences many of these subjects were diagnosed with various forms of mental illness including bi-polarism, major depression, panic disorder etc,.”
Think one step further, why these people develope such problems? Because the homosexuality as such is always connected with mental illness? mental illness as a symptome of homosexuality?
Such studies have always some possibility to be interpreted and it depends on those who manage these studies. -
Achmad Sudarsono says:
I’m pretty sure Townsend has expressed interest in the forbidden pathways, the road less travelled, if you like.
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Patrick,
That’s where the roots of intolerance start. You’re teaching kids gayness wrong, but gays have a right to do their thing ? Bit of a contradiction, isn’t it ? Intellectually, at least, I don’t think you can cut it both ways.
Followed to its logical conclusion, what you’re advocating means legislating – against gay rights.
Such laws are in themselves a kind of violence, by pitting the powers of the police, courts and state against the person who wants to break ranks, in this case, the queers.
And it all starts with that little talk to Junior.
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perseus says:
Patrick,
The points you made on lifespans were interesting. I was particularly interested in the Lesbians. However, I did find many pages beating up on the methodology of the Cameron study. A lot of the stuff out there is obviously put up by those darlings in the US Religious Right. Nutters…
Still, unless you were living in a box in the 1990s, the reason for reduced male gay lifespans is rather obvious… Very large demographic blip caused by the initial outbreak of HIV in the 1980s. HIV would not explain the premature demise of Lesbians so I would be interested to see the study that produces these numbers.
That said, there are plenty of lifespan reducing activities out there. Smoking, riding motorcycles etc. Is smoking and riding a motorcycle therefore immoral and wrong? Or simply a risk? I would say a risk not a wrong.
Gays and Lesbians, I daresay, are more likely to be psychologically f**ked up. Having well meaning folk and outright aggro types persecute them, I daresay, would be the chief cause. However the American Psychological Association did remove homosexuality from its list of official disorders in 1975. Homosexuality is not a sickness. It is an orientation perhaps caused by environment, perhaps by genetics, perhaps by cognitive differences, most likely by all three. It is complex and not simple and eejits standing on soapboxes claiming God hates Gays and their more polite fellow travellers are simply selling Fear and Loathing more or less subtly.
What gay and lesbian people need is more science and less antique religious dogma.
They are 1% to 2% of the population. Let them be!
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Achmed – Follow this logic “Love the sinner but hate the sin” I think I have made good argument to why homosexuality is a dangerous lifestyle. The problem I see is that you so called intellectuals are so caught up with being politically correct with the “spirit of diversity” that you cannot see the dangers that mass acceptance of this lifestyle poses to society as a whole.
@ Perseus – Yes the American Psychological Association during 1973 did remove homosexuality from its official lists of disorders and the World Health Organization (WHO) did as well a number of years later. However. it must be noted that many Psychiatrists were astounded that this was done as it was shown in a number of studies that homosexuality is indeed associated with mental illness and never mind the extremely high suicide rate estimated to be more than 6x the general population. In other words there was no scientific reasoning applied when homosexuality was removed as an official disorder.
On a personal note I attended a conference sponsored by the CDC on sexually transmitted diseases a number of years ago and I met a medical doctor whose job was to monitor the bathhouses in San Francisco for sexually transmitted diseases among homosexuals. This doctor told me and several others that he was shocked by the number of different partners that a homosexual man could have in only one day. He said it was frightening to see them in an orgy as it was like a feeding frenzy exhibited by sharks. The doctor continued that prior to taking his current position he had a very liberal attitude toward homosexuality but after witnessing what was going on in the bathhouses of San Francisco he no longer saw as a benign lifestyle but rather for what it really was and that is a lifestyle that tears at the very fabric of society.
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Patrick,
I know it’s wrong, but this debate is getting me aroused. You’re just so manly. It’s such a turn-on to be put in my place. Normally, I’m only gay-for-pay, but there are always exceptions, my seksi friend !
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Patrick wrote:
The problem I see is that you so called intellectuals are so caught up with being politically correct with the “spirit of diversity” that you cannot see the dangers that mass acceptance of this lifestyle poses to society as a whole.
I think you are ignoring the very common testimony of gay and lesbian people that they do not choose their orientation. Being gay or straight is not a case of Coke vs Pepsi or Playstation vs Xbox. It is something your environment/genetics (dare one say God) has given you. There is an interesting article/discussion at the Jakarta Post Islam recognizes homosexuality. Many of the posts are heartrending pleas from gay men for Allah to take this inclination away from them! Poor sods…
It is not a question of “mass acceptance.” It is question of letting a small minority live without persecution.
I don’t think you can take what goes on in gay bath houses as representative of gay men anymore than you can take what goes on in brothels/swingers clubs as representative of straight men.
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Purba Negoro says:
Really- at the end of the day- if they’re not trying to shove something up the Australian vagina- who cares?
When I think of Australia- somehow the cast of “Are you being served?” juts fits so well. No pun intended.
Mr Humphries- the typical Aussie “I’m free…”
Mrs Slocombe
Captain Peacock
Miss WendyWhich got me thinking how gay Australia really is- and results of a brief google search.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=australia+%2Bgay&btnG=Search&meta=
38,800,000 results.only 8,000,00 for Indonesia +gay.
By these rough numbers alone, Australia is 5 x more camp , yet a population less than 10% of Indonesia
Thus we may deduce, Australia is then 25% gay (5% being the Kinsey LOW average gay population number).Unsurprising considering it is world’s most obese nation and 47%+ of all Aussie women are obese, 67% overweight.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=women+%2Boverweight+%2Baustralia&spell=1– Dame Edna?
-Aussie soldiers cross-dressing in Timor?
-centuries-old boys-only boarding schools?
-King’s School and Scotch College student-made dildos scandal?
-mateship?
-Simpson and his donkey?
-Sydney Lesbian and Gay Parade
-Second largest homo capital in the world (after SF: Than Franthithco)
-High meth production- also called ithe (ice)- the favoured inhibitant remover of the gay community-A capital city you can Lithp- Thydney
-Manly beach?
-Speedo clad lifesavers?
-Same capital city with a history of rum-running
-Long standing British naval presence- rum sodomy and the lash traditions (Churchill’s quote)
-Founded on 95%+ male convict population origin (no sodomy in gaol of course)
-Gay FM- 92.9- but great thong mikth
-All kinds of beloved homo-erotic imagery:
the chesty bonds man, hard-yakka, the buff shirtless tradesman, ian thrope, speedos and infatuation with, male swimming,-short tight football shorts
-love of scrums, tackling and well-pratciced ball handling skills
-Priscilla queen of the desert
-infatuatuon with Abba- expecially “Dancing Queen”-Savage Garden? Is that polari code?
-Matthew Mitcham- gay diver?Read the very exposing: Australian Masculinities, Clive Moore and Kay Saunders (ed.), St Lucia, API Network and UQP, 1998.
No wonder they have such a small population then?
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Stop it, PN, you’re making me even more excited. Va Va Voom !
Patrick — can you post some pics of you in speedos ?
Thanks…
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Molly Meldrum?
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Marr says:
So, let me just cut to the chase here: The basic argument is that we should encourage our sons in the rock and roll lifestyle to ensure that they don’t grow up to be Freddie Mercury or David Bowie?
Hmm.
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Mets says:
@ Patrick..
Am familiar with those articles as I currently reside & work in the UK… and for my sins I recently worked as a community safety consultant for both local and central government and have moved across to health strategy …….
In fairness whilst some of the published articles serve as a starting point, in this area there is a large element of under reporting and the fear of stigmatisation from the LBGT community (lesbian, bisexual gay & transgender) in order to establish the issues, concerns, etc to be in a position to understand & address them….
So at this point one could challenged findings, in the sense, is this a true reflection of the problem…
But if we were to go back to the original topic of this thread all I have to say is AHMAD DANI – IF YOU ONLY HAD A BRAIN!!!!!!!!
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Maybe A. Dhani should be aware of signs that his son will be an hypocrite idiot like himself and … nevermind (:)).
Even rock music won’t help anymore. -
@Achmad – What color speedos would you like to see me wearing? Happy to see you have a good sense of humor about you. It is not always easy to follow a straight (no pun intended : > ) path in this life particularly when so many people want to be mainstream and therefore follow the path of least resistance in their attempt to be politically correct on the issues.
@ Perseus – Who said anything about persecuting anyone? Already established “Hate the sin, love the sinner”. As far as how one is orientated to homosexuality, I already made a comment concerning that it very often starts out as an abuse so go back and read thanks! From the spirtitual side it is said that God has no use for sinners so He does not lead anyone to sin. Man leads himself into sin by using his own free will do evil. Since all 3 mainstream monotheistic religions reject homosexuality then we can safely assume that God did not create anyone to be a homosexual so that argument is therefore rejected. Read Sirach 15: 11-20 ends with “No man does He command to sin, to none does He give strength for lies”.
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David Bowie or alter-ego Ziggy Stardust?
Back in the day- I can remember he was very controversial in Indonesia- in fact if I am right- no Bowie available unless bootlegged.
My son just told me electro-dance DJ Moby was in a gay porn and occasionally likes it ala Turko-Greek.
Does Australian “cock-rock” have a lot to answer for?
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
Brown men can don a leather beret, mutli coloured shirt, leotard, keep a hedge and still stay straight. For Whiteys, it is sign of homo.
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AAB,
please do not remind me of the 1970’s= we Indonesians embraced it to much!
Lol!I know you had fluffy sideburns and a kipper-tie, smoked-gold rimmed glasses too don’t lie!
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Mas PN,
Para priya Londo menika banci. Kita, tiyang Jawi, badhe ngersakaken presa dateng panjenengan sedaya para priya Londo, pripun sejatinipun dados tiyang jaler menika.
Ito background is Javanese. He was a stud in his younger years.
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Nggeh Mas.
Setuju.Wong londo mriki ngedebus. Ngameng-amengi Ngamek2 terus nganggit bokong ng wong banci.
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Wong londo tisna lan kawe`s2 tlembuk, ya Mas?
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Mas, njenengan menika sak janjane saking pundi to? Asli Yugja? kok ngendikanipun kados tiyang Semarangan … nanging mboten menapa2, kita sedanten mriki lak pancen sami2 badhe nendang bokongipun tiyang Londo
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Patrick wrote:
Who said anything about persecuting anyone? Already established “Hate the sin, love the sinner”. As far as how one is orientated to homosexuality, I already made a comment concerning that it very often starts out as an abuse so go back and read thanks! From the spirtitual side it is said that God has no use for sinners so He does not lead anyone to sin. Man leads himself into sin by using his own free will do evil. Since all 3 mainstream monotheistic religions reject homosexuality then we can safely assume that God did not create anyone to be a homosexual so that argument is therefore rejected. Read Sirach 15: 11-20 ends with “No man does He command to sin, to none does He give strength for lies”.
Can’t accept an argument based on scripture. Not science… sorry and all that. Scripture is historically and politically interesting but I won’t take it as authoritative per se.
Scripture, epistemologically speaking, comprises the testaments (not necessarily accurately recorded) of psychologically interesting individuals of great talent and inspiration but if it were truly God speaking it would not contain howlers like pi = 3 and geocentrism…
Your persecution is subtle but persecution nonetheless. I love you but not the way you are: now change because they way you are is morally wrong. For you awaits the eternal fire… yada yada…
Guess that is what they call tough love.
Others might call it backward thinking barbarism.
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@ Perseus I believed you invoked God into your argument several times as having created some men and woman to be homosexual. The use of scripture was to effectively refute any involvement by God in willing or creating anyone toward homosexual tendencies. I will leave you with one last bit of advice from scripture which you think is barbaric and backward thinking.
“The beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. If you are wise, it is to your advantage; and if you are arrogant, you alone shall bear it.” Proverbs 9:10-12″
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Patrick,
G-string please, and body rubbed down with olive-oil, preferably by Purba Negoro. (Va Va Voom, Purba!)
* Which “society’s” fabric are you talking about being teared ? The ancient Romans and Greeks, often hailed as the founders of Western civilization, loved to lift a bit of shirt, or rather toga, or um, tunic, ah – you get the picture (pitcher??).
In, say, PNG, hetero rape is supposed to be widespread ? Are straights a threat to the fabric of that society ? (In some tribes, one of the rituals of manhood, is to be buggered by other men in s special hut). I could go on.
* I’d say bigotry and intolerance are a much bigger threat to the fabric of society. Think what’s been done in the name of nationalism and religious or ethnic purity. The Spanish Inquisition, Nazi final solution, Rwandan massacres, Treblinka, etc. Many, many more lives destroyed (if we accept your premises), than the simple act of shirt-lifting.
I’d say the causes of the problems you’re talking about here lie elsewhere.
Looking forward to that pic — but speedos are ok if you can’t find Purba or don’t have a G-string.
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Patrick wrote:
Perseus I believed you invoked God into your argument several times as having created some men and woman to be homosexual. The use of scripture was to effectively refute any involvement by God in willing or creating anyone toward homosexual tendencies.
Well, Patrick, Scripture has numerous problems of clarity and interpretation as evidence the issues with Anglican gay bishops. However, if God created the world and the animals and there are homosexual animals (including the inhabitants of SFO bathhouses) then he created homosexuals (in some sense). Your argument is that men have free will to choose to be gay. My argument is that gays do not (generally) choose their orientation.
I don’t believe in the Christian or Muslim god but will happily quote Scripture to embarrass the hypocrites among us – like dear Aluang.
Patrick also quoted:
The beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. If you are wise, it is to your advantage; and if you are arrogant, you alone shall bear it. Proverbs 9:10-12
Thanks for the advice. I prefer Buddha and Lao Tzu quotes myself and good will is more valuable that whatever Book you claim to believe in. According to Kant, nothing is good except a good will but this is a point too subtle for most on this forum.
Alas, wisdom, in my humble opinion, is found in reason and impartial consideration of evidence not in bending evidence to conform to the dictates of long dead prophets to prop up their dogma. Some truth is eternal but most of it is evolving… especially that which pertains to people and politics…
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janma says:
Which got me thinking how gay Australia really is- and results of a brief google search.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=australia+%2Bgay&btnG=Search&meta=
38,800,000 results.only 8,000,00 for Indonesia +gay.
By these rough numbers alone, Australia is 5 x more camp , yet a population less than 10% of Indonesia
Thus we may deduce, Australia is then 25% gay (5% being the Kinsey LOW average gay population number).PN, or maybe australians just have 5 times more stuff on the internet compared to Indonesia? Really clever deduction tho mate…. the math was flawless!
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This is controversial and hillarious!!! :)) Freddy Mercurie, a great rocker, was gay. So many other rockers are are known to be.
Must be just a joke to win popularity! 😀
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Hey, Townshend isn’t gay.
But hell yeah, Freddy Mercury’s gay, so I can’t really see the relevance. So is Elton John. Besides, isn’t Dhani a Queen fan? 😕