Fitna by Geert Wilders
Mar 7th, 2008, in Opinion, by LairedionLairedion on the gathering storm over Geert Wilders’ upcoming anti-Islam film “Fitna”.
Tensions are rising as Dutch controversial MP Geert Wilders is about to reveal his anti-Quran movie Fitna. How will Indonesian Muslims respond to the next “insult” on Islam, shortly after the second Danish cartoon controversy?
Since his emergence in Dutch politics Geert Wilders has gained much attention and support for his fierce anti-Islam and anti-immigration stances. In line with contemporary right-wing politicians his message seems simple yet appealing and his voice is loud. Deport criminal and illegal foreigners, stop the Islamization of Dutch society (prohibit construction of new mosques, refusing all Muslims from moving to and living in Holland), sell the Dutch Antilles to the highest offer on a Dutch auction website and much of the problems are solved.
So far his party PVV (Freedom Party) managed to win 9 seats in the last elections but opinion polls show they can count on 15 seats at least or even more if elections are hold right now. But his “crusade” comes with a price. Like so many critics of Islam he is constantly under the threat of being murdered and needs to be guarded 24/7 and lives on a secret location.
Geert Wilders.
Geert Wilders, who has some Indonesian blood running through his veins, wants to show the world Al-Quran is a fascist and violent book, in line with Hitler’s Mein Kampf, and must be banned. It will be interesting to see how Wilders can dismiss a book, considered holy by 1.3 billion people, as fascist in a movie of 15 minutes, while ulama’s and clerics have been studying Al-Quran for centuries and up until now are having trouble to come to an unified explanation and interpretation.
But what’s all the fuss about? So far it has only been speculation and the movie hasn’t been broadcasted yet.
Anyway the Netherlands is pretty much in a state of alert. The Dutch government is preparing for the worst-case scenario (retaliation, violence and damage towards Dutch citizens, economic interests and enterprises, terrorist attacks). On the other side many people are criticizing the Dutch government for exaggerating any potential dangers and impacts caused by this movie. An interesting sign is that Dutch Muslims seem to grow mature and sensible in their reactions towards insults to Islam. The last Danish cartoon controversy didn’t spark any violence or significant protest in Holland and this movie will be just the next insult, meant to provoke reactions and violence so that Wilders can prove his points and not worthy paying any attention.
The worldwide reaction probably will be different. Recovering from the latest Danish cartoon controversy, Muslims worldwide are preparing for the next Western “assault” on Islam. Politicians in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran are urging the Dutch government to prohibit the broadcast and last week some 200 Indonesian Muslims staged a protest outside the Dutch Embassy in Jakarta.
Where does the freedom of speech crosses the line and turns into discrimination thus violating article 1 of the Dutch Constitution where discrimination of people on their gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, political view or any other ground is prohibited? This is the same article Wilders is referring to by branding Al-Quran as fascist.
It is not known yet when the movie will go online. So far Wilders has stated the move is finished and he is negotiating a broadcast with Dutch TV stations but this is likely to fail as none of them want to burn their fingers. 28 March 2008 could be a possible date. For anyone interested bookmark www.fitnathemovie.com in your favorites.
415 Comments on “Fitna by Geert Wilders”
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Lairedion says:
The disease of militant Islam is threatening to spread through Europe. It will be defeated, of course, as was Fascism, Communism and Irish Republicanism. The onward progress of secularism cannot be halted
Yeah, why not putting Irish Republicanism on the same evil level as Fascism and Communism. Surely the IRA and its splinter groups has carried some horrific terrorist attacks (like their Loyalist counterparts) but with Irish Republicanism as an ideology is nothing wrong. At the end Ulster is Irish territory, not British.
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John says:
The IRA was essentially a very profitable criminal organisation, responsible for drug running, prostitution, smuggling, bank robbery, fraud, money laundering and protection rackets. Its fanatical elements claimed to be political terrorists and were involved in many atrocities that were responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent men, women and children of both Catholic and non-Catholic persuasion. The IRA policed the Catholic ghettoes and punished any Catholic who competed with their criminal activities, with death or a knee-capping. The IRA were characterised by their cowardice as compared to the modern Islamic suicide bombers. They very rarely risked their own lives, preferring to plant a bomb, or shoot someone in the back, and then run away.
Since the IRA surrendered, life has returned to normal in the Province and the population should be congratulated on the attempts at reconciliation which have even allowed former IRA criminals to occupy minor positions in the government.
Quite clearly the IRA was a fascist movement but it is a matter of opinion whether this movement, which was responsible for so much death and misery, as well as enormous economic damage, should be placed alongside the Fascism of the 1930s and 1940s and Communism.
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My goodness! The Scandinavians are quick off the mark! There are already three cartoons in a national newspaper of dear old Osama in the process of consummating his latest conquest.
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Islam is the way of life…
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No lukman, Cheddar cheese is the way of life.
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Have you heard the latest news being broadcast by Al Jazeera?
Apparently the United Arab Emirates are organising a beauty contest for camels. ………..
That reminds me of http://www.putrid.com/taliban.htm.
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John,
The IRA is a terrorist organization, not an ideology like Fascism or Communism.
Patung, why are you hijacking my first post on IM by starting your Battle of the Islam Movies …sob …sob …sob? Now I’m missing some Fitna movie comments here which would surely rise my post even further on the ranks of most commented. 🙁
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Lairedion, hmm, sorry about that….my post will disappear into the archives shortly, this one will stick around for a long time.
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Andrew says:
Lukman said:
Islam is the way of life”¦
Dude, English isn’t my first language either, but I know when to use “the” and when to use “a”.
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rupert says:
Halal Jihad is quite right. This film is not fiction, it represents the modern face of militant Islam, full of hatred and threats. I agree that this sort of perverted hatred is dished up in Mosques and Madrassahs all around the world, wherever Muslims congregate. This stuff has not been invented by Wilders. He is simply holding a torch to illuminate some of the evils being carried out in the name of God.
Isn’t it interesting that Muhammad preached that “all men were equal in the sight of God”. He also called Jews and Christians, as well as Muslims, “al-e-kitab”.
The disease of militant Islam is threatening to spread through Europe. It will be defeated, of course, as was Fascism, Communism and Irish Republicanism. The onward progress of secularism cannot be halted. I predict within the next two generations, much of the world will be rid of the suffocating blanket of religion, thanks to the advance of education, liberal thinking and television, and the defeat of ignorance and repression. Witchcraft, superstition and the belief in the supernatural will be banished. Everyone will benefit but particularly Muslims because of all the religions, this is the one that suffocates its followers the most and causes most misery and suffering.
Wilders is merely a foot soldier in this process but deserves our thanks.
Thank god I am an American , thank you sweet Jesus that I am a christian
because the islamic fanatic bull crap is just crazy! I couldn’t live with these people
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No worries, Patung, I’m still grateful,
Looking at the amount of comments I’m doing quite well I guess. But it’s an easy way to score, starting a Geert Wilders article on a blog with news from the world’s largest Muslim nation.
Last news I heard Muslim students tried to besiege the Dutch consulate in Medan. They manage to tear down the Dutch tricolor but in stead of ripping off the blue banner they set it on fire. Of course the notorious Hizbut Tahrir facsists were involved again…
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Thank god I am an American , thank you sweet Jesus that I am a christian
Thank myself I’m an independent thinker not poisoned by any of the 3 Middle Eastern fairy tales that have brought our planet so much suffering, war and violence.
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Thank myself I’m an independent thinker not poisoned by any of the 3 Middle Eastern fairy tales that have brought our planet so much suffering, war and violence.
God bless america, he sure did look what we have achieved in just 400 years , Imagine the next 400
dont be a hater Lairedion
your welcomed to come here and enjoy the american dream 40 000 000 moslems live here and love America and you know why one word that many dont like to hear but i will say it “FREEDOM” come try it you wont go back Its the good life over hear
god bless the USA
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Ziad says:
Riyoz, you are fully right about Palestine, I mean from a Humanist point of view that is one of the biggest continuing injustices of our times. This has nothing to do with religion, I think religion is part of the problem and not the solution, your facts Riyoz are well founded, and unlike many you made clear the difference between Zionism and the Jews, I am sure you are aware that many Jews have fought and even died defending Palestinian rights. However you should not dismiss the fact Islam are not being tolerant, that anti-Semitism has propagated in the Muslim world and that feelings of ignorance and hate dominate the discourse about Christians and this is very bad for Islam. This is an internal problem for Muslims, and there should be courageous voices to speak against those generalizations. Now everybody is allowed to mock Jesus in Holland or anywhere in Europe and that is not leading to the collapse of Christianity, on the other hand infidels (such a pejorative attribute!) are not welcome in Mecca! But that does not come from the prophet who welcomed them in Mecca. Life has to progress, many bad things have been said and written about Islam but words, critique, insults and films won’t lead to the demise of Islam, obscurantism would.
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God bless america, he sure did look what we have achieved in just 400 years
Dispossession and destruction of various Native American cultures and peoples. The American Dream is a predominantly WASP dream.
40 000 000 moslems live here and love America
Not so many. Only an estimated 2.35 million. You can check it here.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/483/muslim-americansrupert, I’m not a hater. What make you think that? I can relate to Wilders’ movie but I despise this whole East vs. West, Islam vs. Christianity crap. I can live free in Holland as an agnostic and I wish for our nation to do the right thing and follow a non-aligned neutral foreign policy like the Swedes or the Swiss and not to side with Yanks, Brits or Russians.
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Cukurungan says:
Wilders is merely a foot soldier in this process but deserves our thanks.
Thank god I am an American , thank you sweet Jesus that I am a christian
because the islamic fanatic bull crap is just crazy! I couldn’t live with these peopleI could not disagree with you that the Christians American are a nice people and they keen to help anyone who need their help, when Al-Qaida badly need a training center, American was happily sending their best sons and pumping billions dollars to help Al-Qaida set-up their base in Iraq and when Iranian want to eliminate Saddam, America did it for free. Therefore, Al-Qaeda and Ahmadinejad should never forget the American favor upon them
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Lairedion
The IRA was, and is, a criminal organisation. Irish Republicanism is an ideology whose aim is to establish a Marxist/Socialist state within a united Ireland, and was pursued by fanatics and terrorists.
The problem that Irish Republicanism faced was that Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom and repeated opinion polls carried out in the Province over the last 40 years shows an overwhelming desire by both Protestants and Catholics to maintain the status quo. There is little stomach either in the south for unification, especially with the strengthening economy since joining the EU, and the move towards secularism and the weakening of the Catholic Church. The lack of public support for the aims of Irish Republicanism lead directly to the violence perpetrated by the IRA. They could not use the ballot box so they used the bullet.
Since the surrender of the IRA, both communities in the Province are enjoying peace and prosperity.
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40 000 000 moslems live here and love America
Not so many. Only an estimated 2.35 million. You can check it here.
Lairedon have you ever been to Ann arbor mich. Just that city there is over that number not to mention new york and La
Anyways doesn’t matter, sorry I misread your post you are not a hater, I am happy to see that the film fitna did not result in any trouble. Fitna only showed the a few versus from the koran and photos we all know as true the was no opinion voiced by Geert I thought it was a good film.
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muslimbound says:
Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) till you follow their religion. Say: “Verily, the Guidance of Allâh (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism) that is the (only) Guidance. And if you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) were to follow their (Jews and Christians) desires after what you have received of Knowledge (i.e. the Qur’ân), then you would have against Allâh neither any Walî (protector or guardian) nor any helper. (QS. Al Baqarah 120)
O you who believe! Take not as (your) Bitânah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the Ayât (proofs, evidence, verses) if you understand. (QS. Ali Imran 118)
Y strange, Y Bother, nothing’s spectacular, it’s just the way it is since long time ago and will be like that till the final day. 🙂
Geert Wilders Just another example …I said to my mentor do you know why when something bad conducted by muslims suddenly become a headlines in many news paper?
it’s just a “word propaganda”
like this if muslims got killed during the war in palestine or other countries they wrote it with a small letters in the corner of the news paper 1000 muslims died blablalba”
but on the contrary when they got killed it will be written in the headlines with bold and big capital letters something like “OUR beloved Son brutally murdered or OUr soldier brutally slash!” blalbalba 🙂and then I said to my mentor again about 1000 to 1 propaganda, my mentor said what is it?
if something bad conducted by muslims it will be on CNN, BBC blablbalbala 1000 time for 1 day but if conducted by them on the contrary it will be 1 time show in 1000 days
never heard about Bosnia, Palestine, Afghanistan ? hmm Y botherSay: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (QS Al Ikhlash 1-4)
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muslimbound, you mentioned CNN, BBC, blablbalbala but how come you didn’t mention Al Jazeera blah blah blah?
BTW, your post fits very well in “Fitna” as well. Maybe in the next sequel.
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Julita says:
Islam is the way of life”¦
Dude, English isn’t my first language either, but I know when to use “the” and when to use “a”.
Jlta: You use ‘the’ to indicate that something or someone is the most famous, important, or best thing ofits kind or person with a particular name. When you use ‘the’ in this way, you emphasize it. eg. It’s the club in town……
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Teng says:
I said to my mentor do you know why when something bad conducted by muslims suddenly become a headlines in many news paper?
Maybe you should check Iranian, Syrian and Saudi-Arabian newspapers then… it will show lots of articles about evil jews and the West…. so you and you and your mentor can be happy and enjoy stories about the corrupt kafir
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Muslimbound,
You mention “never heard about Bosnia, Palestine, Afghanistan ? hmm Y bother”.
I am not sure in what context you are putting these countries, presumably you want to make a point about the suffering of civilians.
Which countries sent their young men to risk their lives to stop the slaughter of Muslims in Bosnia? Saudi Arabia? No. Egypt? No. Iran? No. Indonesia? No. Syria? No. Who was it then? The answer is America, Britain and its NATO allies in Europe. Why did they do it? Were they after gold or oil, were they planning to occupy the country? No. They did it because they care about the lives and the safety of Muslim men, women and children.
Who is it that is working tirelessly to bring about peace and a just settlement in Palestine? Saudi Arabia? No. Egypt? No. Iran? No. Indonesia? No. Syria? No. Who is it then? The same NATO countries who are pouring millions of dollars in aid to refugees and trying to bring the political leaders to the negotiating table. What have the oil-rich Muslim Arab neighbours of Palestine contributed to the poor Palestinians. Nothing, zilch, a big round zero.
Let’s look at the biggest failed state in the world, after Pakistan. Afghanistan. Let’s compare the contributions of the Taliban with those of the Western “invaders”. The Taliban control the drug industry. Farmers who refuse to grow poppies loose their heads, literally. The Taliban provide an endless supply of suicide bombers who destroy Muslims and their homes. They provided a base for the lunatic Osama bin Laden to despatch his hatred and his bombs to destroy the lives on innocent people in Muslim and non-Muslim countries around the world. What happens when a village opens a school to educate girls? The Taliban burn it down and hang the teachers. How do the Taliban treat women? I’ll leave you to answer that. Who is it that is digging the new wells, building the schools and trying to drive the Taliban and the locusts from the countryside, and in the process, giving up their lives? The Western “invaders”. Why? Do you seriously believe the West wants to occupy Afghanistan? Think about it? Afghanistan? The most flattering description I ever heard of that country was “it’s a sh*t-hole”.
Muslimbound my friend, you need to educate yourself or find a new mentor who doesn’t have his head so far up his own arsehole.
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bismillahirrahmanirrahiim
wow nice comments 🙂
see the thruth is just like you want it tobe from your point of view 🙂
yes I watch Al Jazeera 🙂 I watch CNN, ABC, BBC often
I Read iranian or arabian news papaer too sometime 🙂
but sometime we got videos too which are not in CNN, ABC, BBC or in Al Jazeera
so John you’re right from your point of view because that’s what you see and what you want it to believe nothing’s wrong with that
but what I see and what I believe is different and come to think of it, nothing’s wrong with that too 🙂
based on what I see and what I believe, I never want or have an idea to insult christian, jews, jesus, though in the name freedom of speech I don’t have time to insult other religion thru film like that. we’re not the first one who made those kinda film 🙂
But in my believe as muslim, we’re forbidden to give our right cheek if someone slapped you in your left cheek 🙂 we are order to slap them back 🙂
In Muhammad SAW time, all non muslims who don’t attack muslim, action on hatred, or words on hatred, guarranteed by him to trade and live peacefully in his time .. but for those who attack us either an action or words he will fight them, we fight all the non muslim who attack us in any way, in islam we called them the non muslim harbi, but all the non muslim who didn’t attact us we didn’t fight them we call them in islam non muslim jimni.
Nowadays. it’s getting harder and harder to find non muslim who didnt attack us? why? it’s just a natural thing that all religion claim that they are the most righteous,
and for me Quran and Hadits it’s enough as my guidance and for you I hope your holy book are enough for you 🙂
once there were few jews accrossing Muhammad House, and passed Aisyah ra (Muhammad wife) and they greeting her “assamu’alaikum (all bad fortune to you)” it should be assalamu’alaikum (all good fortune to you), they say that in purpose because of hatred.
I don’t deny in Muhammad SAW time there were few non muslim who did not hate him, but only few, do you think it will be increasing or decreasing? I let you to answer that 🙂
this matters won’t stop, but I won’t stop and do nothing if someone insult my religion and believe, do you expect me to sit still and sleep?
what wil you do if someone insult or attack your religion and believe?
maybe your answer gonna be well look here …. but deep down in your heart I doubt that
anyway john I’m not well educated as you are so my apology :))
anyway I do not sell but if some one does … I’ll buy
lakum dinukum waliyadiin … meaning … for you what you want it believe and for me what I want it believe 🙂 -
dewaratugedeanom says:
Why is that muslimbound guy (or doll) smiling all the time? Doesn’t that hurt?
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bismillahirrahmanirrahiim..
oups I am sorry, smile is a charity in muslim belief dewarat
and I think to insult anybody is kinda your habbit too 🙂
and I smile because kinda funny to watch some of you react …
give comments when someone is not in your favor you tend to mock ’em
well dont blame me I am less educated, but kinda cool how a fool like I am
can irritate some well educated person, but I’d prefer to be a fool 🙂
anyway some of you already make your own point, and already have your own opinion
about muslims .. as american famous quote “if you’re not our friend than you’re our enemy” pls notice this foolish man watch that in many american movies not even my
own quote 🙂
from page 1 to the end of the page so many words and opinion most of them about bad muslims, etc … and Y bother discussing coz from the beginning many of you already set your mind about muslims and has their own figured … so.. 🙂 if the thruth is the thruth that what you believe in your mind Y are you so upset when someone disagree with you? the funniest thing most of you has written in this forum about bad muslims but few muslims in this forum do the same, Y bother discussing if what most of you want is the same conclusion? oh yeah … feel great ain’t it? to be righteous
you can’t take the fact or even want it if someone has different opinion than you
coz all the thruth is in your hand, well I have my own opinion about that,
the fact that my late father was a christian preacher before converting to islam
I’m used to bible as much as for quran, and the fact my rebelious teen time as musician and the fact the joy and the blessed from Allah for enlightened me once again, this foolish less educated dull *oups* :)) doll can do istiqamah, and for most of you thank you for your “truth” but I got my own “truth”
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Well muslimbound, if your first post contains: Do not take non-muslims for friends… then what kind of reactions do you expect?
You asked why Western media is always keen on reporting about muslim deeds, and in reaction you get the answer that Muslim media more focuses on Western deeds.
This topic is about Geert Wilders and his movie… and if you read carefully (which you very obviously didn’t) you would see that a lot of us ‘kafir’ DON’T agree with the way he portrays muslims. But maybe you do not want to read that because then you can’t play the ‘victim’ anymore
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Julita said:
Jlta: You use ‘the’ to indicate that something or someone is the most famous, important, or best thing ofits kind or person with a particular name. When you use ‘the’ in this way, you emphasize it. eg. It’s the club in town”¦”¦
DUH, Julita – I live in the US and I listen to and speak the language every day. Although my English isn’t perfect, I wouldn’t use “THE” when referring to a subject that is not definite.
Of course anyone can say whatever they want – and I will, too.
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Muslimbound,
You said:
“In Muhammad SAW time, all non Muslims who don’t attack Muslim, action on hatred, or words on hatred, guaranteed by him to trade and live peacefully in his time”I have to say that this is not how Muslims are behaving nowadays. In London this week 8 Muslims who live in Britain, 2 from my town, have gone on trial, accused of plotting to blow up 8 planes which would have killed at least 2,000 innocent people, men, women and children. They had prepared video tapes dedicating these deaths to Allah and Islam. The materials for their bombs were found in two of their homes. Two years ago many people were killed in London by four Muslim suicide bombers. Many were killed in Madrid and New York. Every month Muslims are killing thousands of fellow Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq. In Indonesia, 3 little school girls were beheaded by a Muslim gang. Africans are being raped and slaughtered every day in Dafur by Muslims in a campaign of genocide.
All of these wicked acts, inflicted on innocent people, are justified by the terrorists and by Imams with quotes from the Quran. The problem for Islam and the rest of the world is that the Quran and Muslim preachers preach hatred.
Have you ever heard an Imam issue a Fatwa against the suicide bombing of innocent people? Has any Imam pointed out that suicide bombers go straight to hell, not to some imaginary paradise to have sex with 69 vestal virgins.
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