Fitna by Geert Wilders
Mar 7th, 2008, in Opinion, by LairedionLairedion on the gathering storm over Geert Wilders’ upcoming anti-Islam film “Fitna”.
Tensions are rising as Dutch controversial MP Geert Wilders is about to reveal his anti-Quran movie Fitna. How will Indonesian Muslims respond to the next “insult” on Islam, shortly after the second Danish cartoon controversy?
Since his emergence in Dutch politics Geert Wilders has gained much attention and support for his fierce anti-Islam and anti-immigration stances. In line with contemporary right-wing politicians his message seems simple yet appealing and his voice is loud. Deport criminal and illegal foreigners, stop the Islamization of Dutch society (prohibit construction of new mosques, refusing all Muslims from moving to and living in Holland), sell the Dutch Antilles to the highest offer on a Dutch auction website and much of the problems are solved.
So far his party PVV (Freedom Party) managed to win 9 seats in the last elections but opinion polls show they can count on 15 seats at least or even more if elections are hold right now. But his “crusade” comes with a price. Like so many critics of Islam he is constantly under the threat of being murdered and needs to be guarded 24/7 and lives on a secret location.
Geert Wilders.
Geert Wilders, who has some Indonesian blood running through his veins, wants to show the world Al-Quran is a fascist and violent book, in line with Hitler’s Mein Kampf, and must be banned. It will be interesting to see how Wilders can dismiss a book, considered holy by 1.3 billion people, as fascist in a movie of 15 minutes, while ulama’s and clerics have been studying Al-Quran for centuries and up until now are having trouble to come to an unified explanation and interpretation.
But what’s all the fuss about? So far it has only been speculation and the movie hasn’t been broadcasted yet.
Anyway the Netherlands is pretty much in a state of alert. The Dutch government is preparing for the worst-case scenario (retaliation, violence and damage towards Dutch citizens, economic interests and enterprises, terrorist attacks). On the other side many people are criticizing the Dutch government for exaggerating any potential dangers and impacts caused by this movie. An interesting sign is that Dutch Muslims seem to grow mature and sensible in their reactions towards insults to Islam. The last Danish cartoon controversy didn’t spark any violence or significant protest in Holland and this movie will be just the next insult, meant to provoke reactions and violence so that Wilders can prove his points and not worthy paying any attention.
The worldwide reaction probably will be different. Recovering from the latest Danish cartoon controversy, Muslims worldwide are preparing for the next Western “assault” on Islam. Politicians in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran are urging the Dutch government to prohibit the broadcast and last week some 200 Indonesian Muslims staged a protest outside the Dutch Embassy in Jakarta.
Where does the freedom of speech crosses the line and turns into discrimination thus violating article 1 of the Dutch Constitution where discrimination of people on their gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, political view or any other ground is prohibited? This is the same article Wilders is referring to by branding Al-Quran as fascist.
It is not known yet when the movie will go online. So far Wilders has stated the move is finished and he is negotiating a broadcast with Dutch TV stations but this is likely to fail as none of them want to burn their fingers. 28 March 2008 could be a possible date. For anyone interested bookmark www.fitnathemovie.com in your favorites.
415 Comments on “Fitna by Geert Wilders”
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Usman says:
Asalamualikum
The Quran is the best book of the world. full of the message of peace, humanity and respect for human (male, female, muslim and non-muslim). It shouldn’t be intrperated in the sense to be proved as the book creating terror.
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Ross says:
Okay, here’s a quote from the AKI site. If it’s misrepresentation, I’m happy to stand corrected.
‘Anwar Ashiqi, president of the Saudi centre for Middle East strategic studies, endorsed this view in an interview on the site of Arab satellite TV network, al-Arabiya on Thursday.
“I haven taken part in several meetings related to Islamic-Christian dialogue and there have been negotiations on this issue,” he said.
“It would be possible to launch official negotiations to construct a church in Saudi Arabia only after the Pope and all the Christian churches recognise the prophet Mohammed.”
Is there any point in negotiating with people like that?
If you think we are just fooling around, let’s read this and contemplate what the civilised world is up against.
Muslim baptized by pope says life in danger By Philip Pullella
Sun Mar 23, 2:35 PM ETVATICAN CITY (Reuters) – A Muslim author and critic of Islamic fundamentalism who was baptized a Catholic by Pope Benedict said on Sunday Islam is “physiologically violent” and he is now in great danger because of his conversion.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080323/wl_nm/pope_muslim_dc
Has the West gone nuts? Of course Wilders’ movie should be released. Let the bigots disprove its theses!
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Sangre says:
Cukurungan:
“There’s a million of people like your patient who claims himself can see or talk with God but it is only a few of them could transform their experience into a faith or religion in which could attract a billion followers.
Therefore your patient must be Abraham, Noah, Moses, Budha Gautama and Jesus.”
It is interesting to me that those whom claim intelligence are the same that disregard obvious knowledge. Sure Mohammed may have founded Islam and with it the billions of followers but Jesus did the same and in fact outnumber the the Muslims in followers. Christianity is in fact the largest religion on the earth.
Now I am neither a Christian nor a Muslim and as such have no qualms or biases against or for either. And as such I feel I have a very objective point of view. The fact stands that all people are entitled to their opinions. To complain about people showing disrespect towards your religion and retaliate with threats and rhetoric denouncing others is pure hypocrisy.
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Cukurungan says:
Buddhism starts with the Four Noble Truths and not with God, the Creator of All. So there’s no answer to your question because your question is irrelevant
Brother,
Irrelevant is a typical answer of Champion of the Swearing Competition
Buddhism start with the Four Noble Truths and doest not end up with an Atheism because at his time anyone know God but no one understand how to get a happiness and discard the suffering that is all about the core of Buddha teaching, therefore Buddha does not deserve as your ideal model of the atheism but Polpot or Stalin could be more suitable for your role model.
Is that right? Well, He hasn’t done that so far, And if and when he shows the truth how is anyone to know it’s the truth?
You are correct that is a beauty of the life no one know the truth until all His creatures are death and the Judment Day to begin with only HIM has the right to question how we utilize hand, mouth, brain, time and wealth have been borrowed to each of us. At that time the lucky people could be an idiot person because God will not ask anything to him.
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Lairedion says:
Poor Brother Cuk,
Still panicking I see 🙂
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Riyoz says:
“Buddhism starts with the Four Noble Truths and not with God, the Creator of All. So there’s no answer to your question because your question is irrelevant.”
And what are the four noble truth, if I may ask ? my q’s irrelevant ? how come ? didn’t buddha ever taught his followers about his mission, about The One who has sent him to all those people ?
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Riyoz,
Here’s the story about Ananthapindika, a wealthy young man who met the Buddha at the bamboo groove at Rajagriha. The Buddha made a few statements about the existence of God and the real cause behind the creation of beings in this world. These views are summarized as below:
1. If God is indeed the creator of all living things, then all things here should submit to His power unquestioningly. Like the vessels produced by a potter, they should remain without any individuality of their own. If that is so, how can there be an opportunity for any one to practice virtue?
2. If this world is indeed created by God, then there should be no sorrow or calamity or evil in this world, for all deeds, both pure and impure, must come from Him.
3. If it is not so, then there must be some other cause besides God which is behind Him, in which case He would not be self-existent.
4. It is not convincing that the Absolute has created us, because that which is absolute cannot be a cause. All things here arise from different causes. Then can we can say that the Absolute is the cause of all things alike? If the Absolute is pervading them, then certainly It is not their creator.
5. If we consider the Self as the maker, why did it not make things pleasant? Why and how should it create so much sorrow and suffering for itself?
6. It is neither God nor the self nor some causeless chance which creates us. It is our our deeds which produce both good and bad results according to the law of causation.
7. We should therefore “abandon the heresy of worshipping God and of praying to him. We should stops all speculation and vain talk about such matters and practice good so that good may result from our good deeds.
The Buddha did not encourage speculation on the existence of Iswara, (God) among his disciples. He wanted them to confine themselves to what was within their field of awareness, that is, to understand the causes of suffering and work for its mitigation.
He preached that initially each being was a product of ignorance and illusion and subject to suffering, karma and transmigration. He therefore urged his disciples to contemplate upon the Four Noble Truths, practice the Eightfold path, lead a virtuous life by performing good deeds and works towards their final liberation from all becoming and changing.
For more information check this link
Hope this will answer your questions. I won’t comment anymore because it’s getting too much off topic.
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The Dutch prime minister has written a letter to Nahdlatul Ulama boss Hasyim Muzadi about Fitna –
http://www.inilah.com/berita.php?id=19759. -
Don’t bother try to watch it. As we could expect the site almost unreachable, even with a 20Mbit broadband connection it’s terribly slow. I will let my pc run this night and download the movie. Later I will put it on shared directories and I will provide the links here.
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Ok, I watched the movie.
It wasn’t what I expected. A couple of well-known short clips and images put together with in between some Quranic verses. Nothing new really. It wasn’t even insulting towards Islam and Muslims but only confirming what Islam teaches.
For anyone interested, I put the movie online, both in Dutch and English on a shared directory. The files are in flv format which can be played with the free VLC media player. I put the flv files in zip files.
The movies: http://cid-b0ea57e8bb5c135e.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Public
Free VLC player: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
If necessary to unzip: http://www.winzip.com/prod_down.htm
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Nienke says:
I just watched the film by Geert Wilders.( I am dutch by the way. )
In Holland everybody was talking about the film and that it would be shocking etcetera. After just watching it:The clips that Wilders shows in his movie Fitna are images already displayed on tv, suchs as 9-11, Bombing attach London, and Madrid. Also versus of the Koran are shown and imaams talking about killing all who are not muslim. Horrible pictur’s and clips, but clips already shown on tv. So in my opinion the film is not shocking. Not shocking doenst mean that its not horrible what whas shown but meaning people were expecting very extreme lyrics etcetera. At the and of the clip you see a hand turning a page in the Koran and than there is a black background and you can hear a page pulled out. Then the words appear on the screen ‘this was a page from a telephone book pulled of’. My opinion is that we should all respect eachothers believes, regardless of our believes and opinions. Wilders, and also you and me, has the right to say what he wants and you can agree with it or not. I Dont know it this film was a right way to show it but it sure makes people talk about it. One thing is clear for me, but I already had this vision before this film, violence and terrorisme are horrible and those who commit such crimes should be punished. God/ Allah should stand for love. I dont think that what is going on in the world whas what our creater would want to happen and wants for us. But thats just my opinion. And thats a great thing.., having a opinion or believe and saying it outloud in all freedom. -
Sylvester says:
It wasn’t what I expected. A couple of well-known short clips and images put together with in between some Quranic verses. Nothing new really. It wasn’t even insulting towards Islam and Muslims but only confirming what Islam teaches.
Yup, nothing new.
What would you expect?
Anyway, this bring an awareness on the seed of violence and terror in the religion. -
Robert says:
Patung said:
The Dutch prime minister has written a letter to Nahdlatul Ulama boss Hasyim Muzadi about Fitna –
Geert Wilders is the luckiest moviemaker ever because the Dutch government, including the prime minister, has made sure the movie gets all the attention Wilders wanted. Btw: did the prime minister get a sneak preview?
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Jan de Vries says:
Like most Dutch people I am not a fan of the polarizing style of Geert Wilders. I have just watched his film ‘Fitna the movie’ and I understand that Islamic people feel offended by the linking of their holy book with terrorism and hate mongering imams.
The vast majority of people in the world are not muslim and have no intimite knowledge of the Quran. The impression left by the media, films like fitna and websites like http://www.inthenameofallah.org, is that the Quran is truely a gospel of hate against ‘non believers’.
I like to believe that this is not true as this book holds the single truth for over a billion people in the wold; and would therefore welcome the Islamic community to be more active in taking away the fear that Geert Wilders’ movement is thriving upon rather than starting violent protests that will only prove his point and that he was right after all.
So I would like to see publicly debate on the quoted Quran verses and evidence that the the Quran is non-violent, respecting other religions, open to peacefully coexistance with ‘infidels’, homosexuals, equal rights for women, freedom of speech and in short at ease in a free democratic society. It would render Geert Wilders and his movie totally redundant.
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Atif says:
This film is nothing more than hate propaganda. This man is using the Jews to show how bad Muslims are. I, personally, have nothing against Jewish people but I do however hate Jewish policy makers who are creating hate between the two religions. Israel is a prime example of this. In today’s society Israel can basically get away with killing the entire world in the name of self defence but if the Muslims try to defend themselves, like in Iraq or Afghanistan, then they are called terrorists. Yes, I do believe there are some Muslim terrorists but not all Muslims who are just trying to defend themselves are terrorists. There are a few, very few, people who have misinterpreted the Quran and Islam and use it to kill innocent people.
The problem is that the media only decides to focus on these types of people and ignores the rest of us, peace loving Muslims. Shame on the Western countries and shame on their media. The Western countries see Islam as a threat to their way of life BUT have they ever thought that the Western way of life is a threat to the Islamic way of life. I wouldn’t count on that.
What is happening in the world today, in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine is a genocide against Islam. The sad thing is that some (maybe most) of the Western citizens find this acceptable. I think that these people are very close minded and do not have a brain to think for themselves as they believe the lies that the media tells them. Until we all start think for ourselves, we will all not see who is right and who is wrong.
Lastly, on the note of freedom. The Western world loves their freedom but I think that the freedom that they have is nothing more than an illusion. Although some of their interpretation of freedom is good, most of it I personally find is just rubbish. For example in the Western world it is not only alright to be gay but this kind of behaviour is actually encouraged through the media and the education system. Then they have the freedom to go and have sex with who they want, be that they are married or not. Why does Islam forbid both of these, it is because these activities will cause our society to collapse. From the gay example, if people are encouraged to be gay and most people turn to this then how will the human population survive? We will eventually be extinct. For the free sex example, it can be seen that sex spreads diseases and this can be clearly seen in the Western countries where AIDS and such diseases are very much evident. The other point I want to make is that if people just start having sex with everyone how will we know who the children belong to, this concept will just destroy our society.
Other freedoms in the Western world include the freedom to gamble to life away and the freedom to intoxicate and damage your body and your soul through the use of alcohol. We all can see the irreversible damage that gambling can cause in our society, it destroys families and individuals involved. The worst thing about all this is that the government actually runs some of these gambling organizations which are out to destroy people financially and emotionally. As for alcohol, it has the ability to cause well behaved gentlemen to turn in to unlawful beasts. When one ins under the influence of alcohol, they are not in their state of mind and mostly end up in unlawful behvaviours such as murder, rape and theft. I think that Islam (and Judaism and Christianity) have forbidden such activities for a good reason. If this is the Western idea of freedom then I want none of it!
It is not just Islam that is being undermined but also Christianity and Judaism. And the Western media and politicians are directly responsible for the damage. My plea to all my fellow brethren is to discard this hate propaganda and start thinking for yourselves. Do NOT believe everything that the biased Western media is spoon feeding to you. Today it is Islam under attack from these people tomorrow it will be Christianity then Judaism then Hinduism. Then a day will come when only the evil people will reside in this world and it will be full of filth, our purpose to live will no longer exist.
To all Muslims and non-Muslims, we need to stand up to this kind of hate propaganda and stop it from spreading. If we do not act to stop acts of hatred like this, we will be leading ourselves to our own graves.
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rupert says:
Well, I saw fitns today, I now know why the jihadist didnt want this to be seen. Darkness hates light, true muslims should declare jihad on the fanatics that have hijacked Islam. No religion wants death the way they want. God help us but I sleep better knowing we have more nukes thank god for that!
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
I watched the film. I think this is provocation in the first degree by Western extremists. It is an open insult to the feelings of the world’s 1.5 billion Muslims, and this calls for drastic retribution. As True Muslims, we should stand up in unity against these great insult. Death is swift for those who insulted the True religion. The tiny minority who do not join us in this great Jihad against infidels and non-believers are hypocrites and punishment for such offence is death.
I foresee a tide of protest storms sweeping across all infidel nations, far deadlier than the Mohammed cartoons riots, the calls for beheading of the pope, Oriana Fallaci, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and defiant, ex-Muslim apostates around the world.
Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah’s enemy.”
Qur’an 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”
Qur’an 47:4 “When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”
Qur’an 61:4 “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His Cause.”
Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet had their men killed, their children and woman taken captive.”
Ishaq:576 “Allah and Muhammad humiliated every coward and made our religion victorious. We were glorified and destroyed them all. By what our Apostle recites from the Book and by our swift horses, I liked the punishment the infidels received. Killing them was sweeter than drink. We galloped among them panting for the spoil. With our loud-voiced army, the Apostle’s squadron advanced into the fray.”
Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad, Islam is established, Allah’s Word is made superior, and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad, Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite.
Salam.
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1. If God is indeed the creator of all living things, then all things here should submit to His power unquestioningly. Like the vessels produced by a potter, they should remain without any individuality of their own. If that is so, how can there be an opportunity for any one to practice virtue?
Indeed everything in this world (Sun, Earth, Planet, animals and plant) submit to His Power unquestioningly except the human because the human agreed to accept this big responsibility as the only creature with a freewill and bear own responsibility.
2. If this world is indeed created by God, then there should be no sorrow or calamity or evil in this world, for all deeds, both pure and impure, must come from Him.
It is totally wrong because God created both evil (sorrow) and angel (happiness) why like that.. how we can understand a happiness if there is no sorrow, God created sorrow and evil just to make it clear the existence what is angel and what is happiness. The good does exist if there is a bad compare.
3. If it is not so, then there must be some other cause besides God which is behind Him, in which case He would not be self-existent.
Everything in this world can not be explained unless there is assumption that God is a beginning of everything. It is only dumb people would think that a car, building and bridge exist by itself due to a self cause and no one ever created it. It is the same with the people who think that everything in this world no one ever made it and we can not start to count unless we start from 1.
4. It is not convincing that the Absolute has created us, because that which is absolute cannot be a cause. All things here arise from different causes. Then can we can say that the Absolute is the cause of all things alike? If the Absolute is pervading them, then certainly It is not their creator.
It is quite convincing that the absolute has created us because chain of the chicken and egg cause would never happen unless the absolute firstly create either egg or chicken.
5. If we consider the Self as the maker, why did it not make things pleasant? Why and how should it create so much sorrow and suffering for itself?
Agreed
6. It is neither God nor the self nor some causeless chance which creates us. It is our our deeds which produce both good and bad results according to the law of causation.
God created the only creature with freewill is a human but it is contains very heavy consequences that God will judge every of us based on our deeds alone and nothing else and there is no the legend savior like has been told by the religion traders.
7. We should therefore “abandon the heresy of worshipping God and of praying to him. We should stops all speculation and vain talk about such matters and practice good so that good may result from our good deeds.
This theory has been not working at all otherwise Tibetan Good Dees shall not result in suffering, the bad beating and shooting by the Red Army as we spoke.
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Rambutan says:
Lastly, on the note of freedom. The Western world loves their freedom but I think that the freedom that they have is nothing more than an illusion. Although some of their interpretation of freedom is good, most of it I personally find is just rubbish. For example in the Western world it is not only alright to be gay but this kind of behaviour is actually encouraged through the media and the education system. Then they have the freedom to go and have sex with who they want, be that they are married or not. Why does Islam forbid both of these, it is because these activities will cause our society to collapse. From the gay example, if people are encouraged to be gay and most people turn to this then how will the human population survive? We will eventually be extinct. For the free sex example, it can be seen that sex spreads diseases and this can be clearly seen in the Western countries where AIDS and such diseases are very much evident. The other point I want to make is that if people just start having sex with everyone how will we know who the children belong to, this concept will just destroy our society.
Other freedoms in the Western world include the freedom to gamble to life away and the freedom to intoxicate and damage your body and your soul through the use of alcohol. We all can see the irreversible damage that gambling can cause in our society, it destroys families and individuals involved. The worst thing about all this is that the government actually runs some of these gambling organizations which are out to destroy people financially and emotionally. As for alcohol, it has the ability to cause well behaved gentlemen to turn in to unlawful beasts. When one ins under the influence of alcohol, they are not in their state of mind and mostly end up in unlawful behvaviours such as murder, rape and theft. I think that Islam (and Judaism and Christianity) have forbidden such activities for a good reason. If this is the Western idea of freedom then I want none of it!
Atif, these comments show that you misunderstand the concept of freedom as put forward by Western liberal thinkers. It is all about being responsible – for yourself and your environment. Your allegation that of free sex spreads AIDS is the best example. If you behave responsibly (i.e. using condoms) you can have as much sex as you want. The same goes for alcohol, gambling, etc.
And about gays jeopardising the survival of the human race. Last time I checked,the world’s population was still growing, so I don’t think you need to worry. -
Oigal says:
Everything in this world can not be explained unless there is assumption that God is a beginning of everything. It is only dumb people would think that a car, building and bridge exist by itself due to a self cause and no one ever created it. It is the same with the people who think that everything in this world no one ever made it and we can not start to count unless we start from 1.
I always love this one from the ones who need the big daddy in the sky to help then sleep.
a car, building and bridge exist by itself due to a self cause and no one ever created it
By the very same logic..Who Made GOD? (BTW man did)
Shame on the Western countries and shame on their media Agreed, we should all have free and open media like…errr ..ummm..as for the rest..so sad..
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For the free sex example, it can be seen that sex spreads diseases and this can be clearly seen in the Western countries where AIDS and such diseases are very much evident
Cute Quote..factually wrong of course, AIDS and other “such” diseases are very much a world problem with Asia and Africa facing the biggest challenge (primarily due to poor education about the issues as so evident here)
By the way…
According to the New Scientist, 20 Dec 2003 “Masturbation may protect against prostate cancer”
Meanwhile a team from the Cancer Council of Victoria came to the conclusion that the more men ejaculated (with or without partner) between the ages of 20 and 50 the less likely they were to develop prostate cancer..
Which explains the pinched face and general nasty demeanour of ABB and his irresponisble ilk.
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how will the human population survive? We will eventually be extinct.
That wouldn’t be so bad. From day one men have been destructive to nature and things got worse when men started to believe they were special made by God and our planet was made to their benefit only. The world population is exploding, Earth’s natural resources are insufficient and under great pressure and as a consequence we have huge environmental issues.
Perhaps gay people and free sex without producing offspring are the solution to ease the pressure on our vulnerable planet. 🙂
Cuk, thanks for disagreeing with the Buddha on the concept of God. It confirms that your previous statement of Buddha being God’s messenger holds no ground. 🙂
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Cute Quote..factually wrong of course, AIDS and other “such” diseases are very much a world problem with Asia and Africa facing the biggest challenge (primarily due to poor education about the issues as so evident here)
Pak Oigal read this carefully:
By Will Dunham
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – More than one in four U.S. teen girls is infected with at least one sexually transmitted disease, and the rate is highest among blacks, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Tuesday.
An estimated 3.2 million U.S. girls ages 14 and 19 — about 26 percent of that age group — have a sexually transmitted infection such as the human papillomavirus or HPV, chlamydia, genital herpes or trichomoniasis, the CDC said.By the very same logic..Who Made GOD? (BTW man did)
God never be created therefore we call Him the Creator who made creature, He made a cute creature like me..and …an ogly creature like you…ha ha ha
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The response from Aluang Anak Bayang is interesting because although less graphic than the ‘movie’ Fitna, it basically is the very script of the movie… How can one promoting terror be offended by a film showing this? Is this is joke? Is Aluang Anak Bayang perhaps a pseudonym for Geert Wilders or a fan of his movement? This is really scaring the hell out of me and actively undermining the position of 1 million (I assume peace loving) muslims in The Netherlands and countless more around the world.
I love Rambutan’s contribution on the note of freedom and responsibility. It is amazing to see the distorted perceptions of ‘western society’ that exist in the world (I agree that media have some blame here). I personally think it is great to live in a country where people are not arrested because of their thoughts and believes, where a muslim immigrant from Marocco can become a minister of state. No one has to live in fear and everyone can speak their mind and has equal opportunity to reach their potential.
It is the words of Aluang Anak Bayang that give populists like Geert Wilders a stage and a reason to gain following for his attacks on the muslim community. Or am I seeing it all wrong and is he just diplaying the real nature of Islam and are most people just failing to see it? This is what I try to understand…
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Jue says:
For Muslims ,just ignore the movie.Islam and Quran is lasting for over 1400 years.This film can do nothing harm to Islam.He made this film for popularity.Just ingore him, he will be passed into oblivion but Islam will remain for ever.
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John says:
Tariq misses the point entirely. The history of Islam is not the issue. It is what is happening now. It is the hatred and violence at the core of the Quran and its interpretation by Islamic teachers around the world. It is the intolerance shown by millions of Muslims towards each other and any and everybody with whom they do not agree. It is the slaughter of innocent men, women and children, carried out by Muslims in the name of God, in every continent in the world. It is the fact that this medieval, primitive religion is not compatible with a modern, tolerant society. Islam must and will reform. But until it is able to throw away its outdated ideas, like most other religions have done, it will remain a serious threat to society.
The fact that all Muslim countries are characterised by poverty and dreadful human rights is not a punishment from God but results from the intrusive and suffocating nature of Islam. It is widely recognised that all religions are on the retreat as a result of the enlightenment that follows education and scientific discoveries. Until this happens to Islam, it is right that people like Wilders are able to shine a light on the dangers that threaten European societies.
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Or am I seeing it all wrong and is he just diplaying the real nature of Islam and are most people just failing to see it?
What do you think really?
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I have just read the hysterical rant of Aluang Anak Bayang.
All the dreadful things shown in the film “Fitna” actually happened. Many were filmed in Muslim countries, by Muslims. Which of these dreadful things does he wish to defend? Which act cannot be criticised because the criticism would be un-Islamic? Which of the thousands of people shown being butchered in the film deserved to die? Which one would God, assuming there is such an entity, have chosen to die in the manner shown?
Would Aluang Anak Bayang show this film to children as an example of how to kill an infidel? Would Aluang Anak Bayang teach very young children that Jews are apes and pigs? Does Aluang Anak Bayang believe this himself?
I think we deserve to know.
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