Fitna by Geert Wilders
Mar 7th, 2008, in Opinion, by LairedionLairedion on the gathering storm over Geert Wilders’ upcoming anti-Islam film “Fitna”.
Tensions are rising as Dutch controversial MP Geert Wilders is about to reveal his anti-Quran movie Fitna. How will Indonesian Muslims respond to the next “insult” on Islam, shortly after the second Danish cartoon controversy?
Since his emergence in Dutch politics Geert Wilders has gained much attention and support for his fierce anti-Islam and anti-immigration stances. In line with contemporary right-wing politicians his message seems simple yet appealing and his voice is loud. Deport criminal and illegal foreigners, stop the Islamization of Dutch society (prohibit construction of new mosques, refusing all Muslims from moving to and living in Holland), sell the Dutch Antilles to the highest offer on a Dutch auction website and much of the problems are solved.
So far his party PVV (Freedom Party) managed to win 9 seats in the last elections but opinion polls show they can count on 15 seats at least or even more if elections are hold right now. But his “crusade” comes with a price. Like so many critics of Islam he is constantly under the threat of being murdered and needs to be guarded 24/7 and lives on a secret location.
Geert Wilders.
Geert Wilders, who has some Indonesian blood running through his veins, wants to show the world Al-Quran is a fascist and violent book, in line with Hitler’s Mein Kampf, and must be banned. It will be interesting to see how Wilders can dismiss a book, considered holy by 1.3 billion people, as fascist in a movie of 15 minutes, while ulama’s and clerics have been studying Al-Quran for centuries and up until now are having trouble to come to an unified explanation and interpretation.
But what’s all the fuss about? So far it has only been speculation and the movie hasn’t been broadcasted yet.
Anyway the Netherlands is pretty much in a state of alert. The Dutch government is preparing for the worst-case scenario (retaliation, violence and damage towards Dutch citizens, economic interests and enterprises, terrorist attacks). On the other side many people are criticizing the Dutch government for exaggerating any potential dangers and impacts caused by this movie. An interesting sign is that Dutch Muslims seem to grow mature and sensible in their reactions towards insults to Islam. The last Danish cartoon controversy didn’t spark any violence or significant protest in Holland and this movie will be just the next insult, meant to provoke reactions and violence so that Wilders can prove his points and not worthy paying any attention.
The worldwide reaction probably will be different. Recovering from the latest Danish cartoon controversy, Muslims worldwide are preparing for the next Western “assault” on Islam. Politicians in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran are urging the Dutch government to prohibit the broadcast and last week some 200 Indonesian Muslims staged a protest outside the Dutch Embassy in Jakarta.
Where does the freedom of speech crosses the line and turns into discrimination thus violating article 1 of the Dutch Constitution where discrimination of people on their gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, political view or any other ground is prohibited? This is the same article Wilders is referring to by branding Al-Quran as fascist.
It is not known yet when the movie will go online. So far Wilders has stated the move is finished and he is negotiating a broadcast with Dutch TV stations but this is likely to fail as none of them want to burn their fingers. 28 March 2008 could be a possible date. For anyone interested bookmark www.fitnathemovie.com in your favorites.
415 Comments on “Fitna by Geert Wilders”
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barry prima says:
Javanese ain’t easily fooled.
That’s why 88% of the population is muslim?
unjavanese?
I am not trying to make the prophet fit into some kind of “javanese” prototype?
Rocking a peci in your avatar and espousing an adherence to some romanticised/imaginary notion of of javanese glory/nobility golden age doesn’t make a you a true javanese either. I would called it a childish regression into an imaginary world, due to an inability to deal with one’s identity in the face of the white man’s arguments.
Even if the prophet’s sexuality being unjavanese is your argument, it’s a hollow one. The sultans of Yogja, solo and bima were hardly averse to polygamy or marrying beautiful young women were they? Even spirit wives weren’t outside the limits for them.
When Sukarno’s extramarital romps were videoed by the enemies, the javanese loved him even more.I thought having a mistress/eses for a man in power was a very javanese occupation. Hell nobody will respect you if you are a dickless one woman wonder!
Rather than deriding these lotharios due to some sick moral puritanism I unashamedly salute them!!
And in doing so I am being more of a javanese man than you.we do not call ourselves ‘prophets’
haha..seeing as you seem to be an exponent of kejawen/kebatinan, there is a new prophet every month somewhere in java claiming to have got wahyu…they have no lasting power, unlike our great prophet Muhammed who has survived for 1400 years, and will do so until the end of time(INsyallah)
Javanese are easily impressed especially your cewek cewek who are very easily fooled by the charms of the bule man. (don’t get me started on that one!)
The prophet did not need to proclaim himself as a prophet to do these things as, in his society it was perfectly acceptable. Claiming prophethood made him more open to scrutiny if anything!
Primitive health care back then means a 50+ man is probably over 70 in today’s world?
How many men in their 50’s can handle 9 wives in the modern age? Especially in java, if the general belief about the apparent smallness of javanese p***ses is true.
It is a known fact that man sperm count in the modern day is a very small fraction of man even not so long ago, never mind 1400 years ago in hot humid Sahara environment with its unpolluted air.
The prophet still had a full head of black hair and was of fine manly construction at the time of his marriage to Ayesha. 9 wives and a fondness for warfare doesn’t indicate a man who was ready for his slippers/pipe yet!
Finally because the prophet did something 1400 years ago, does not mean we have to do it, does it?
Like is said, when getting married I would consider the same things the prophet did, but the outcome will be different as I live in a different society.Ask our hindi friend Shokla if you don’t believe me about the value of urine to health, some of his brethren even bath daily in their own piss. There is a whole field of alternative healing around the premise of piss drinking, called uriology (or something).
About the fly thing, don’t knock it until you tried it, or provide some medical proof as to its negative fx.
Westerners call it paedophile. We call it un-Javanese.
I call such a response avoiding the subject. Who cares if it is unjavanese or not anyway apart from you? If you want to counter what I have written, at least do it by way of factual dialectic, not lame attempts at put downs, which are beside the point anyway.
I feel sorry for any children whose dad has 9 wives and countless mistresses.
They don’t need your pity or judgment. If a man can handle his sh*t, good for him. Just because you are probably struggling with one wife, there’s no need to be a player hater!
Muhammed had 9 wives and kept them in check, respect him for that!3 imaginary points won, give yourself a nice pat on the back pak, while smoking a celebratory kretek and drinking in your case a sourly need cup of tongkat ali…and don’t forget to put the ash in the plate you’ve just finished eating from, although the floor will do too.
You might feel the to need to scratch your head after reading this, if so be careful not to damage your scalp with your overgrown thumb finger, which is reserved for the picking of bogers from your inflated wide nostrilled javanese nose.And then you want to tell me about primitive?
Disclaimer: Any racism inherent in my post, are not the real view of the author, merely a response in kind to Pak Aluangs propensity for racial stereotyping.
, i.e. brainwashing and submission to a totalitarian ideology.
Are you suggesting I am brain washed? How convenient is that for you as an argument, if I don’t understand it its false?
Doesn’t even meet you own criteria of objectivity, deluded as it is.The last thing on my mind is to enter a debating contest to show off intelligence.
That’s exactly what you have been engaged in since you started on this forum. Ie:
Muslim :stupid,brainwashed,cannot think for oneself
Me:educated,intelligent not brainwashedI hope your non brainwashed mind can now comprehend my reason for this line below:
You are smart man, but you would be a lot smarter if you recognised your’e not as smart as you think.
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Ish says:
As the Muslim saying goes “Your belief is yours. My belief is mines”
Personally, I respect your belief. If you don’t belief in God, then that is your choice. But don’t belittle people who do belief in god.
My belief is that – “Look around you, If there is creation, then there is a creator.”
-Look in the ecosystem, The western belief of a ‘mother nature’ or ‘nature’, in the balanced and incredibly intricate ecosystem is in fact actually God, NOT nature taking care of itself.
– Ying-Yang, cause-affect, day and night, male and female etc etc .. isn’t it funny how everything is balanced.
Even human consciousness is unexplainable by science. How our consciousness, impossible to observe except by the individual, to measure by means of empirical data, relative to the individual experience, and not constricted by space and time, and the number of brain states exceeding the number of atoms in the universe (based on the possible connections between neurons), and how the intangible/unseen nature of our consciousness (our thoughts) can produce a tangible/measurable result (our actions). My own personal interpretation is that this is proof of a higher power.
If you continue to deny then it will your loss
If you don’t believe in the unseen, then you don’t believe in your own consciousness?As you sit in front the computer right now, facing the screen, try project consciousness into a corner of the room, watching yourself in front of the computer. That is called self-awareness, unique to humans, and a further proof of existence of god. It gives you the ability that when you’re doing something wrong, you are AWARE that it its wrong (but people do it anyway out of arrogance and temptations.. and thats where heaven and hell comes in)
In a world where there is no god (which is inconceivable) then there would be chaos, whats to stop me from, lets say; stealing from my neighbor, raping my sister etc. there would be no moral boundaries, Everyone will be infinitely selfish and hedonistic; why should I do good deeds in my finite life? When there will be no retribution for the bad deeds that I do. Civilization will cease to exist as life will be meaningless (search the net, even atheist admit this, and this its fallacy).
Though its true that there are certain people who use religion as front to meet their political ends, its the peoples fault, not the religion. Same goes for nationalism, you cant say America is evil, or Indonesia the country is evil,
its the peoples actions.The fact that humans possess what we call a conscience is further proof of a higher power.
I could go on and on and on …… some people through sheer arrogance in their newfound knowledge of science and power through science that they begin deny the existence of god.
Even Einstein believed in god.
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I come back from ramadhan abstinence(including from this board) to be sourly disspointed that the infidels have left the battlefield and have been unable to post a response,when i was hoping for an elevated level of discussion.
Have they been defeated by Allahs supreme metaphysics?As a result of the deafening silence on what is one of the all time most popular post on this forum,can we now proclaim:
`falsehood has been exposed and truth has been made clear.’
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fullmoonflower says:
Barry Prima,
The dynamic of Javanism and being Javanese – you are completely unaware of it!
You are already defeated by your lack of understanding of Javanese culture which would have explained why Islam was, is and will remain half-baked in Indonesia.To most Javanese, Islam remains an Arab religion as Christian is to the Bule. For an islamized white man, Javanese sees you as a traitor to your own kind, regardless of your good intent. Furthermore, Javanese are resentful of outsiders who try to tell us what to do.
Your approach is arrogant, intrusive and condescending, typical of white men.
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
Mbak,
fullmoonflower Says:
October 4th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
Barry Prima,
The dynamic of Javanism and being Javanese – you are completely unaware of it!I disagree with you. Barry Prima must has read some of my postings prior to commenting here, and that of other Javanese like PN calling Arabs ‘mouth foaming fanatics’. This newly converted punk rocker (her very own words) is well aware of Javanese’s dislike of the Arabs and had tried to blend in and show affinity by bad mouthing Arab as ‘sand nigger’. He is not just a traitor to his own kinsmen, he is also deceiful. You see, he is as anglo as Andy, Rob and Oinkgal. They are all from the same genepool and they share similar traits – an entrenched notion that Brown men need to be told what to do. To be fair, Andy is the lesser evil of these boogeymen.
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timdog says:
Hell’s bells! I’m siding with Mas AAB!
Yes indeed, if barry prima is indeed what he makes himself out to be and not just another frugly little troll (you never can tell round here) then he is a very confused little boy, very confused indeed… -
@ timdog
After reading some of your intelligent postings, I have reason to believe you have some Javanese blood in you. 🙂
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Funnily enough AAB, I was wondering about that myself. My mother’s side of the family have coal-black hair and olive skin. The conventional wisdom is that this has something to do with Spanish raiders in the 16th Century, but perhaps there was once a wandering Javanese mystic who washed ashore in Cornwall… could be, could be… 😉
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AAB…
We could probably trace ourselves back to the same genepool if we looked hard enough and went far enough back in time. Maybe you and I are related!
That said, I am proud of my heritage and therefore I am proud to be Anglo-Celt of origin. I am sure you are equally proud of your heritage. There are good an bad people no matter what your heritage. Your problem is that you generalize and lump all people of a certain “type” into one group, you stereotype and the stereotype is generally untrue or not substantiated.
I am not sure that I have ever posted that the role of Anglos is to teach or to tell the “brown” man what to do. I am not sure that I carry any “white-man’s burden” to heal the ills of the world.
Yet, I am a realist. It would not matter what I stood for, it would not matter what I said, and it would not matter what deeds I do, as in your eyes I am an Anglo-Celt and this makes me a boogeyman. I take your slander, libel, and defamation of my character with a grain of salt. You, AAB, are a pen name and post as such, because you do not have the courage of your convictions to post under your “real” name. That, sir, is the difference between us and not the colour of our skin, not the religion we believe in, and certainly not our command of language.
Ah, as Uncle Ned once said, “such is life!”
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BTW this is a thread on Fitna by Geert Wilders. Perhaps the arguments to and fro on being Javanese and Islam could be better served on a thread of its own?
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Andy says:
Yes let’s get back on topic please….Fitna was a visual masterpiece and should win an Academy award for best documentary at the next Oscars. I have never seen so much truth in a movie than when I watched this. I applaud Geert Wilders for his honesty and integrity.
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Lairedion says:
I can somewhat agree his views on Islam but Geert Wilders is just another shallow one-issue politician with no real solutions to the real problems our planet is facing. On environmental topics and the latest financial crisis he’s deafening silent.
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Thanks lairedion, I haven’t closely followed Geert Wilders’ political career but can only say he did a fantastic job with his movie. It should be compulsory viewing in all Muslim countries as it may wake them up a bit and let them see how the real world thinks and acts.
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@ Rob,
Rob Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 8:12 am
BTW this is a thread on Fitna by Geert Wilders. Perhaps the arguments to and fro on being Javanese and Islam could be better served on a thread of its own?The ‘Javanese’ argument is as valid here in this thread as Blackies are to Australia. Javanese Kejawen is an antithesis to Islam, and being Javanese means you are immune to Islamic orthodoxy. If you can’t think laterally and had trouble reading without pictorial-assist, Javanese advice is to shut up.
A self-described Punk Rocker and newly convert from your motherland is trying to get chummy with us and hoping to teach us a thing or two about Middle Eastern fairy tales. Rob, why is it always the Anglo-Celtic species? Don’t they have anything better to do?
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ET says:
Aluang Anak Bayang
They are all from the same genepool and they share similar traits – an entrenched notion that Brown men need to be told what to do. To be fair, Andy is the lesser evil of these boogeymen.
fullmoonflower
The dynamic of Javanism and being Javanese – you are completely unaware of it!
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Furthermore, Javanese are resentful of outsiders who try to tell us what to do.What’s wrong with you javanese? Each time a white man speaks his mind you stand up like prancing horses ready to impress the audience with some outdated nationalistic pride.
Time to grow up boys (and girls) and leave this paranoid mentality of the once colonized behind. Whether you like it or not, this is a globalized world, so learn to accept criticism instead of barking at everything that reminds you of an era you actually never experienced yourselves. Exaggerated nationalism is a form of self-pity and an expression of repressed inferiority complex. It becomes boring after a while.
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Barry Prima says:
The dynamic of Javanism and being Javanese – you are completely unaware of it!
And what exactly is this Elusive true Javanesism? Is it to be found in PBs rampant xenophobia, with its affected Victorian era Oscar Wildish whiter than white polemic that any contemporary Englishman could, or for that matter would not want understand, or is it to be found in AA’s alley cat morals and bad manners?
Reading a few of your post which in contrast were all very sensible and humane I thought perhaps you were the elusive true Javanese that we were all looking for. However you really have let yourself down in your first encounter with me by resorting to the lowest level of defense “im Javanese,and your’e not,so there”. More disappointing is that in jumping on the anti Barry bandwagon without good reason you have shown a herd like mentality.
I have not claimed to possess true javaneism, I have merely rebuked AA who in trying too hard to be something he stopped being a long time ago, consistently gets it wrong and perhaps on one occasion timdog (again in trying too hard misses the point).Furthermore, Javanese are resentful of outsiders who try to tell us what to do.
Actually nobody likes being told what to do or what their belief system should be, especially by outsiders. If you actually bother to read my post, you would see I am actually only defending my faith and the faith of the majority of Javanese people from outsiders who are trying to tell me what it is, when they don’t have a clue!
To most Javanese, Islam remains an Arab religion as Christian is to the Bule
So I guess the vast majority of your family, your parents and your illustrious, although properly invented, ancestors were all deluded and you are not!
Islam is very much consistent with the javanese psyche that’s why it has sustained for over 500 years and triumphed over hundreds of years of Dutch rule and the world most concentrated effort of Christian missionary work.
I see you alluded to the baba jawa tannah and serat centhini…these books are avowedly Islamic, the Kraton of yogya which you also alluded to, is actually built and governed by Islamic metaphysics/cosmology.
You only think that Islam is not compatible with being Javanese, because you do not understand either islam or Javanese culture and their relationship to each other. I have studied under experts in Javanese culture, some academic and some mystical, and it is only through them that I understand Islam.
It is a shame that the Javanese nationalist here do not seem to be aware that this idea of Islam is not Javanese is something they have unconsciously absorbed from the white anthropologist and Islam haters, who are actually everywhere telling you what you are and how to rule your country! I do not deny that a lot of javense resisted Islam as complete religion and thought it was opposed to Javanese science, but they did not have to resort to the white man’s type of arguments in stating their position.
As Rob suggested, what being Javanese actually is, would make a good thread in itself and I am quite happy to discuss with you on this matter! Are you willing to step to the plate?
In denying Islam you are denying a Hugh part of who you are. You have every right to reject it, but don’t do so under the guise of being true Javanese, especially when you can’t back it up!
If like AA you think true Javanese culture is Kejawen, I don’t want to mention any names but if you think of the greatest kejawen figures in history and especially the last century, you will see that they had a huge respect and indebtedness for Islam. All that is useful linguistically and cosmologically in Kejawen is from Sufism. Sufism and Islam saved Kejawen, not destroyed it. Otherwise you would still be worshipping elephants’ and monkeys and living in a world of dungeons and dragons. Without the framework of Islam, Kejawen or what is left of it is reduced to the realm of the occult and superstition not true metaphysics and spiritualityJavanese sees you as a traitor to your own kind
Haha…..now who’s being intrusive and telling who what they can and cant be? You don’t know who or what I am…and anyway their is nothing more attractive to an Indonesian woman than a bule convert to islam, the bule convert can get into places the bule no religion/chrisitan never will. The bule convert is every indonesians wet dream..
I heard you claim elsewhere you are descendent of Maulana Malik Ibrahim?
How exactly did you establish this complicated and rather glorious ancestry. I’m rather curious to know? In inventing a a noble ancestory, at least you are being Javanese, but in respect to filial piety all of you are most evidently not! How your ancestors would be turning in their graves! -
I heard you claim elsewhere you are descendent of Maulana Malik Ibrahim?
if YES, so what?
it’s all about choice…
whoever my anchestor are, Maulana Malik Ibrahim or KHA. Dahlan (he is my great grand father)…
I’m on my way…. it’s my choice 🙂 -
Mbak fullmoonflower,
sampun, panjenengan mboten usah sumelang dening piyambakipun. Barry ngendika menawi “sare” kaliyan bocah menika halal, artinipun piyambakipun menika pedophile. Barry Prima menika sanes asmanipun piyambak. Piyambakipun mboten wantun ngagem asmanipun asli, amargi mangkih identitasipun piyambake saged konangan kaliyan bapak kulo ingkang dados direktur dateng intel. Awake dewe, tiyang Jawi, kedah bersatu ngadhepi tiyang ingkang kados mekaten. bangsa lan generasi kita kedah ingkah paling utami. Agama ingkang kaping pindho.
@ Barry Prima
Keep it brief next time. Anyway, I read them and wasted no time telling fullmoomflower to be easy on you. Just in case you need it translated. This is what I said above,
“Barry Prima is a Punk Rocker Bule and recently see truth in the quran. He is here to help Javanese improve our dodgy mistranslation of the quran so Allah swt won’t send in tsunamis, earthquakes, and eruptions. He is concerned for our spirituality and well-being, not interested in our children private parts as I initially suspected. Let’s us welcome him with Javanese sopan. Give this Bule a break.”
Peace.
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Arjun says:
The all is stupidity and just remove to geert wilders from this whole world.
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The all is stupidity and just remove to geert wilders from this whole world.
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Patung,
He might be about to be removed to prison.
The current politically correct climate in Holland is stifling and free speech is applied selectively as more and more people are bowing down to Muslim demands.
Muslims are demanding special treatment and protection against critics like Wilders, are supported by the intellectual left liberal and now also by the Court of Appeal but at the same time it is OK for radical clerics, under the banner of religious freedom, to incite violence against gays, to call all Western women whores and to teach the mosque visitors they should reject Western society, culture and customs.
Bringing Wilders to court is an insult to free speech and all values of a secular free Western society. All people committed to free speech should strongly reject this move, whether you agree with Wilders or not.
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He might be about to be removed to prison.
Knowing Dutch stinginess the reason behind this might well be that it is probably cheaper to keep him locked up than to provide 24/7 protection.
Anyway, if they put him in jail I will make an appeal to boycott Dutch products and services.
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wilder is a disgrace for dutch society and for the whole world, and i don’t think wilders have some indo blood, that’s a lie man, he is just a buLe Gila, and if he was, than he’s also a big disgrace for indo’s community why you post something like that.
i think that man is insane, calls everybody whose not with him a moron, muslim or not -
Bob Smith says:
In my opinion, the film “Fitna” is no different then the movies and docunmentaries that have been produced on Christianity, Buda, Judeoism etc. I believe just as Mr. Wilder’s dioes that Islam is NOT this Tolerant, Peace Loving religion that we are being lead to believe. The proof is right before the eyes of the world to see. Examples of intolerance is displayed each and every day in Iraq, Afghanistan an even in New York City where a Muslim TV producer cut his wife’s head off because she threatened to divorce him. Or the Muslim taxi driver who killed his two teen age daughters for seeing non-Muslim American boys. Or how about the two Afghanistan residents who were recently arrested for having pocket size copies of the Quran in their pockets and are being threatened with death. Now! how stupid is that? Or perhaps the Austrian diplomat who was threatened with prosecution for negative comments against Islam. Give me a break! In my opinion, there needs to be more people speaking out against this perverted ideological doctrine that is bent on world domination. The Muslim communities in the U.S. have yet to speak out against those who are killing innocent people around the World to include their own kind. How can anyone serve a religion or a God who promotes and encourages killing and destruction of innocent lives. Islam is a lie, a false religion, period.
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Cukurungan says:
Islam is a lie, a false religion, period.
But what is your option in dealing with 1.5 billion Muslim around the globe and holder majority of the world energy reserve?
If you consider the Muslim is your enemy please prepare hundred bomb nuclear or 1.5 billion bullets to kill us and do not forget to make big hole to burry 1.5 billion people.
But if you consider the Muslim is your potential market you may get good fortune by selling your product to 1.5 billion people.
We Muslim will wait and see what you can do against us. So far I know nothing even the most powerful president on earth take bow first to us before He run the office.
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schmerly says:
@Cukurungan…
So far I know nothing even the most powerful president on earth take bow first to us before He run the office.
What are you on about??
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To answer Cukurungan’s question. Unfortunately, some of the leadership in America today are panty waste, spineless politicians who have allowed rouge countries and some of those being Muslim nations to put America in its place. The biggest mistake America made was limiting the offensive to Iraq during Desert Storm. The U.S. and its allies should have continued the march across the Middle East and destroyed everything in sight, thats how one wins a war. This Cops and Robbers senario that is now being played out in Iraq and Afghanistan is meaning.
In my opinion, most of the Muslim nations aren’t interested in living in peace but instead are bent on world domination that most around the world including a majority of the politicians have yet to figure out. Being a soldier for twenty years, I’ve seen enough dying to last me a lifetime. Unfortunately, there comes a time when talking and diplomacy no longer work. Some of the Muslim nations have proven that talk and diplomacy are meaningless. Most Muslim nations cannot be trusted to keep their word on anything. Those who profess to be peaceful Muslims remain silent and refuse to speak out against those who follow the same ideology who are killing innocnet people everyday. Best of health my friend and Peace!
Obama is clueless! His gesture of offering a handskake to Muslim leadership got a response that even he did not expect from the Irannian President who said, “America must first apologize for “Crimes” against Tehran. And now! Hillary Clinton, is extedning her hand today in Indonesia. Honestly, I would like to see peace between the U.S. and the Muslim nations but we both know that can never be because of Islams hatred for Western Culture. Until that kind of mindset is changed, peace will never be my friend.
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Habnat says:
The international community should take a serious notice over Wilders statements, as he is provoking anger,human violation by criticising the religion, it is totalling based on prejudice and to earn the cheap popularity among the non muslims. Rather he should be preacher of peace love and affection being a parliamentarian. Did anyone observe any muslim in the world blaming any religion like the wilders. Nothing would be outcome than violence and I think Wilder and he only would be responsible for that.
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Kodew says:
Greet Wilder as well as Bush Jr, Saddam Hussein, Albert Einstein, AAB, Barry Prima, Pak Ahmad Sumanto, Sumanto himself, Patung, ET, Rob, Lairedion, Andy, and anyother real person or any other pen names in this website are all God\’s creation….to insult them means to insult the Creator Herself. That\’s what my \’Mbah Guru Ngaji\’ said when I was a child. Never thought it could be this hard to really implement the phrase. The phrase feels so hard to do when it comes to people like Wilder, yes;).But something to think about… If only we could throw away our desires to fight others…and learn to fight the biggest war of all that is our own desire aka nafsu….WOW!
OOPS!! I have to wake up from this dream! No no no! Need to stay dreaming!
Wake up!
Stay sleep!
Wake up!
Stay sleep!
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I guess I just ……
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@ Barry Prima
Pheww .. Just read your essay. Your lousy argument can be shortened into 3 lines.
Here is what you said the Prophet did:
1) At over 50+ age married a 6 – 15 girl. Waited 2 years before having sex.
2 years’ wait is irrelevant. Can’t you see what is wrong. Primitive health care back then means a 50+ man is probably over 70 in today’s world. You and I know that dipping fly’s wings in camel urine only make you sick. How many pre-teen or teenage girl in today’s world madly fall in love with grandpa? 1 strike for un-Javanese.
2) An examplary figure for all future mankind having 9 wives. You argued Asian men had many mistresses, so it was normal.
The difference is that we do not call ourselves ‘prophets’ or being licensed by The One True God. Also, I feel sorry for any children whose dad has 9 wives and countless mistresses. That is un-Javanese. Strike 2.
3) Paedophile?
Westerners call it paedophile. We call it un-Javanese. Strike 3.
You present nothing new. Javanese ain’t easily fooled.