Aceh Sharia Non-Negotiable
Feb 28th, 2007, in News, by PatungSharia in Aceh is non-negotiable, says a young cleric.
Faisal Ali, the head of “Rabithah Thaliban”, an organisation of Islamic school students in Aceh, says the issue of sharia is not a “political commodity”. Speaking in response to criticisms voiced at an international conference in the capital Banda Aceh of the implementation of sharia and whether it was really desired by the people he said:
It has to be underlined that the application of sharia represents the aspirations of the people to live in an Islamic atmosphere.
Those attending the conference should not discuss whether most people in Aceh support formal sharia or not, he said. People at conferences about Aceh should talk about how to develop the province instead.
If there really were people in Aceh who didn’t agree with sharia he advised them to go and live somewhere else. What’s more, he said, sharia did not disturb those of other faiths.
If sharia was to be talked about the discussion should be confined to how to perfect its application. Sharia was already a vital part of the life of the Aceh people and couldn’t be overturned. republika
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Mohammed Khafi says:
Julita asked:
Julita said:Are you sure those who rape and rob live only in the kafir state?
1ndra replied: Yes, absolutely. Ask him about the religion at that time. He wont know.
I think 1ndra must have been taught these Hadith at some time in the past:
Sahih Bukhari Hadith
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 800e:
Narrated ‘Ikrima from Ibn ‘Abbas:Allah’s Apostles said, “When a slave (of Allah) commits illegal sexual intercourse, he is not a believer at the time of committing it; and if he steals, he is not a believer at the time of stealing; and if he drinks an alcoholic drink, when he is not a believer at the time of drinking it; and he is not a believer when he commits a murder,” ‘Ikrima said: I asked Ibn Abbas, “How is faith taken away from him?” He said, Like this,” by clasping his hands and then separating them, and added, “But if he repents, faith returns to him like this, by clasping his hands again.
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 801:
Narrated Abu Huraira:The Prophet said, “The one who commits an illegal sexual intercourse is not a believer at the time of committing illegal sexual intercourse and a thief is not a believer at the time of committing theft and a drinker of alcoholic drink is not a believer at the time of drinking. Yet, (the gate of) repentance is open thereafter.”
Peace
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Dimp says:
Hi Cuk,
I didn’t make analogy but I only made correlation amongst data of several countries with high consumption of alcohol plus spiritual vacuum proved to be good trigger for suicide.
Why I dragged this issue because I wanted to debate Mrs Naga’s opinion that religion caused all people’s problems rather than provide a solution.Same here then I am just making correlation by facts that:
1. Majority of Indonesian are moslems
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Cukurungan says:
Dimp,
To make a correlation you should take data more than one data, so here I help you to make better correlation.
Afghan, Bangladesh, Egypt, Indonesia , Pakistan and Somalia
are majority moslem with High corruption rate. So It is can be concluded that a country with majority moslem without “sharia law in place” are egual to high corruption rate.regards,
sokpintarman -
Yep, but it doesn’t mean that shariah law can reduce corruption, Switzerland, Finland, Sweden, and you name it, all without shariah, and all have low corruption.
All in all, I am saying that you cannot make correlation without proper argumentation, just because some factors are similar, does not mean that only those factors contribute to the situation.
Your saying no-religion + vodka = high suicide rate is not an intelligent correlation, thus me saying that Islam = corruption (the same non-intelligent correlation).
So please in the future before you want to make any statement, THINK!!! or maybe just keep your mouth shut.
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Janma says:
Hassan, about nature. I have no need to try and explain the magnificence and mystery of nature by attributing it to a God. Maybe it’s God who made nature, maybe nature is just a fantastic eternal motion system, who knows, everyone can guess. I don’t need to know. Even if some “person like God with a pair of scales in his hands to judge good and bad” is in charge of nature, he or she seems quite abitrary in the practice of reward and punishment and totally oblivious to our individual or collective plight, so I have no need to worship him or her for creating all this. I’m just part of the party.
Cuk.
I can’t believe that you think I am ‘lucky’ to have not commited suicide yet, unlike all those secretly pregnant nuns who killed themselves in tunnels under Catholic monasteries and nunneries, I am getting some and feel no need to feel guilty for it! Long Live Life! I love it!
Don’t you think I am happier like this than having to believe in primitive thought systems like mythology and religion that actually just started out as some kind of means to try and control the weather!? -
Dimp,
Ha Ha Ha I never been better than today I witnessed by my own eyes a gentleman who always promote tolerance and free expression are finally torn down his own words and forced the other different opinion to be shut-off.If you want Indonesia becomes like Sweden without sharia in place wait until 3000 years later.
regards,
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Ihaknt says:
Cuk, there is a difference in tolerating different vies, race, religions, genres, sexual preferences and tolerating stupidity. But of course your tiny to non-existent brain probably is unable to tell the difference, you admitted to the sokpintarman title and so you should. Applaude.
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1ndra says:
I think 1ndra must have been taught these Hadith at some time in the past:
Well, the truth is, my statements come from my own thought, even I know the those hadiths from your post Khafi. Thanks.
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Well, the Aceh Sharia is Non Negotiable, so why argue with that, if you don’t like the teaching and like to teach people with your own words then do that, don’t just sit and writing. That’s called No Action Talk Only and that’s worthless.
Action worth more than talk, so go out and spread your teaching. And good luck.
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Tomaculum says:
1ndra,
and then being lynched?
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Hi Cuk,
gentleman who always promote tolerance and free expression
I always tolerate others, but I don’t tolerate stupidity, ignorance, violence. To tolerate everything is just plain ignorant. Free expression again only applies for people who also allow to take others opinion too, you obviously don’t care what others think.
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Julita says:
Thanks M. Khafi for your explanation.
Sharia, not that easy, not as simple as 2 plus 2 is four. Some are put to death not because of what they did but because of political reason. Bulldozing people? I am glad there is still some who think that we should be careful. Clerics, scholars, politician are human and human make mistakes and as long as they cannot put people’s hands and heads back in place, God forbids.
Abdullah Yusuf Ali’s commentary
Be careful who you call Kafir because only Allah knows who is truly a rejector and who is merely a misguided person. It is not up to us to “sentence” a person to the Hellfire.Muslim scholars believe it should legally be binding on all people of the Muslim faith and even on all people who come under their control.
Aceh, I do hope those people who do not want to live under this law, as suggested, would leave. Of course some are ignorant, they do not even know what is coming. See below how politician/educated people do not understand the rule of law.
In practice the new Sharia courts in Nigeria have most often meant the re-introduction of harsh punishments without respecting the much tougher rules of evidence and testimony. The punishments include stoning and amputation.
The elected officials do not understand the rule of law, democratic constitution and even the unconstitutionality of the sharia law. Governing a nation without understanding its constitution is analogous to playing soccer without understanding the rules of the game. Because the elected officials do not understand the constitution they swore to uphold, Nigeria is drifting like a ship without a captain. The imposition of sharia law will leave Nigeria with its left foot in the Stone Age and its right foot in the Information Age. Sharia laws were created for primitive societies and cannot be implemented in 21st century Nigeria. By allowing the sharia laws to coexist within the present constitutional framework, Nigeria will be marching self-crippled into the 21st century.
I don’t understand when people have such a lack of compassion and think that they can make the world a better place to live in.
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Dimp,
Why you don’t think that other people also can claim your opinion is stupid and ignorant then should I ask FPI to chase you because you’re spreading hatred.
I am trying to recall and remember all my post, why I couldn’t find that I was spreading hatred and violence while I never asked other to shut their mouth or called them an idiot.
Did I make stupid comments? it could be if viewed by the holyman an women in this forums . But even a stupid people still has rights to live and talk.
Btw If you’re already so sick read my post, you might ask patung to make automatic delete for a gramatical errors …it can be ensured you will be happy because no more comments appear in this forums under “sokpintarman”.
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Cuk,
Why you don’t think that other people also can claim your opinion is stupid and ignorant then should I ask FPI to chase you because you’re spreading hatred.
Others can think that my opinion is stupid and ignorant, but so far I haven’t receive any objections claiming that.
FPI chasing people who spread hatred? So they should be chasing themselves then.
I am trying to recall and remember all my post, why I couldn’t find that I was spreading hatred and violence while I never asked other to shut their mouth or called them an idiot.
I never said that your posts spread hatred and violence. I just ask you to THINK before you make any statements, especially when you are making statements such as “no religion + vodka = suicide” or “if you haven’t committed suicide then you are lucky”.
Did I make stupid comments? it could be if viewed by the holyman an women in this forums . But even a stupid people still has rights to live and talk.
You don’t have to be holy to know something stupid. You just have to use your common sense (another thing that you apparently lack of).
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Dimp,
Don’t forget majority is silent but doesn’t meant it doesn’t exist.
Why you didn’t read Comments Policy issued by Patung or Moderator. Is there any statement please “THINK” before writing, so you’re disclosed yourself who you’re Mr tolerance. while you has no rights to control the comments here.
Your complaint is misdirected Sir, why you didn’t complaint to Moderator who allowed “Stupid Comments” appeared in this blog.
regard,
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Oh Cuki…as you said just because it’s silent doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Patung didn’t include it maybe because he thinks that people will use their common sense to think before they talk. So now you are picking Patung for not being clear enough? Gees you must be a baby who needs to be shown specifically what’s allowed and not.
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Why you didn’t read Comments Policy issued by Patung or Moderator. Is there any statement please “THINK” before writing, so you’re disclosed yourself who you’re Mr tolerance. while you has no rights to control the comments here.
Nope, as this should be common sense that people should “THINK” before they do anything. Especially if they are about to make statements that will just make wonders about the intelligence of the posters. And you probably didn’t read my comment earlier, or you probably have a short memory span, I already said that I tolerate others, but I don’t tolerate stupidity, ignorance and violence.
BTW, there is no such things as stupid comments, only stupid people.
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Hassan says:
Janma: You said, “maybe nature is just a fantastic eternal motion system”.
But isn’t true that every good system has it’s creator? Or are you trying to say if we bunch up some circuit boards, IC’s, transistors, cables and other electronic devices then locked it up in some drawers, the next day we can have a computer with broadband internet connection lying inside?
“Even if some “person like God with a pair of scales in his hands to judge good and bad” is in charge of nature, he or she seems quite abitrary in the practice of reward and punishment and totally oblivious to our individual or collective plight”
May I ask what’s your perception about life? Why all this? Why were we born when we never asked of being born on the first place?
Please bear with me on this as my following comments might be a bit lengthy,
I don’t know about you, but I think life is a proving ground, a test of worthiness of who can pass it in flying colors, who can do what the Creator had prescribed, who can follow the map to get to the correct exit. Finally, who are worthy to be called humans, and who are simply two legged creatures who only followed their lust and basic instincts.
God wanted to see what each and every one of us will do with this life in His ‘absence’. Life is like an exam in our school, but the teacher decides that he wanted to leave the room and use a camera or hide behind a one way window to see who will cheat and who will not in his absence. He can see his students but the students can not see him. The teacher doesn’t only care about our scores but also about how we attain them. Get the analogy?
He is not oblivious to our individual or collective plight, it’s just that if God decided to intervene or help us whenever we needed help then as a proving ground and test of worthiness, life will loose it’s challenge, wouldn’t it? If the teacher answered every single question his students asked during the exam, then it wouldn’t be much of an exam, would it?
Lastly, life is not the ends, it is the means. We are not suppose to be all happy, laughing and singing all the way or whatever utopic condition anyone can imagine, it’s a hard and grueling test, for which whoever succeed in it will be rewarded superbly for their deeds, after it’s all said and done off course (death).
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Dimp, Ihaknt
How did you know other thinking or not? Are you God? I already said clearly many times, no one’s forced you to read my post and I don’t care either other people think about me. Have you feed up with my post take it easy don’t read it?
Is that clear Mr & Mrs Smart?
Janma,
You’re only lucky because God still gives you a relatively good life but when one day God takes back one by one what has been given to you then you will know that your party time is over. Let’s assume, one day you get an accident and your leg, hands and eyes are gone but you are still alive and your husband has love affairs and your kids are neglect you and that case what do you live for?
Because you don’t have love, God, nor Jesus what do you think is your option? Suicide mom is only your good option.
thanks,
sokpintarman -
Oh Cuki, don’t be upset laaa, you do care about what people think about you otherwise you wouldn’t have responded. 😉
Thanks
Mrs. Smart -
Hi Cuk,
Dimp, Ihaknt
How did you know other thinking or not? Are you God? I already said clearly many times, no one’s forced you to read my post and I don’t care either other people think about me. Have you feed up with my post take it easy don’t read it?
Is that clear Mr & Mrs Smart?
Well I’m assuming that you didn’t think before you post because your postings sometimes contradict one another. Once you said that you will ask the FPI to go after me, the next you said that you are a follower of a religion that prohibits violence.
Let’s assume, one day you get an accident and your leg, hands and eyes are gone but you are still alive and your husband has love affairs and your kids are neglect you and that case what do you live for?
This is what I am talking about, you are actually promoting suicide, people will always have hope, they have every reasons to live.
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Ihaknt,
Oh my girls if you close here, I already send a bid to marry you.
Mrs Smart, I mean I don’t care what your opinion about me whether you thought that I am a genius, gentle, full of tolerance, nice guy and gorges.
Of course, I will respond to any post especially if it is directed to me. If I forgot just let me know.
Is that clear Mrs Smart? You might try to upset me, that is mission impossible 7 because I don’t have anything in the stack.regard ,
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Cuk: I think dimp wouldn’t like it if you send that bid to ihaknt. 😉
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Dan says:
This was a very fun and enlightening discussion to read.
My personal feeling is that among all of you, only Janma has achieved enlightenment. Khafi has a great sense of argumentation and morality but has not yet taken the final step in fully embracing reason and scepticism to its logical conclusion. The same good arguments which Khafi has made against Hadith and Sunna can be made against all religious doctrine because, ultimately, religion is the opposite of science. It occasionally employs scientific reasoning but only over a thick foundation of unscientific and unreasonable assumptions.
Those who are truly brave will embrace morality for the sake of morality and justice for the sake of justice with the knowledge that there is nothing waiting for us in the afterlife!
I like Cukurungan’s admission that religion has a social and psychological function. I think that’s true and its the only reason I don’t consider it totally evil. The sad fact is that you don’t need religion to be a maniac. The genius of mankind has discovered many excuses for dealing out death and destruction.
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Sputjam says:
I have not encountered the term syariah law in the koran. Must be a man made law. If that is so, then beware. You will have The Creator to answer to in the next life. If it is from the koran, then prove it.
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I only just read the comments on my posts on this subject today…. missed em i guess. It’s more than a month ago! I feel rude that I didn’t answer….. ahem.
About God and intelligence behind the system of nature and life and our world…. goodness, we are taking it all on aren’t we!? That’s been a question pondered by men for millenia, but I think we can be conclusive here and now… (joke… obviously we will continue to ponder.)
I don’t think that there was just a conglomeration of elements that somehow came together and caused all of exsistence to begin. But I also think that human beings concept of a manlike God that created everything and sits there watching us jump through His hoops in order to make to the next level (heaven, enlightenment, detachment etc) is a little simplistic and infantile.Hassan said;
God wanted to see what each and every one of us will do with this life in His ‘absence’. Life is like an exam in our school, but the teacher decides that he wanted to leave the room and use a camera or hide behind a one way window to see who will cheat and who will not in his absence. He can see his students but the students can not see him. The teacher doesn’t only care about our scores but also about how we attain them. Get the analogy?This view of us being some sort of students and God being the teacher is anathema to me! If you think of the system of the universe and nature, it is beyond anything our imaginations can dream up, it is beyond complicated, and then to try to sort out our relationship with this universe and it’s creator (or non creator) in such a simplistic fashion, just does my head in!
Even if it’s true, then I really don’t see the purpose beyond some sort of reality show entertainment for He That Rules the Realm…. When I was a kid, I briefly entertained the idea of God and I wondered why out of all the things in the world He created, why are humans alone endowed with abstract thought? With the ability to imagine and question? Why did he create humans? Then the answer came to me… the only thing made sense was that He wanted attention…. He needed our kudos! And of course the next step was to think, how petty! That’s impossible! I turned over every stone in the quest for these answers and in the end I just decided I believe in consciousness, I believe in mystery. Let it be… why do I need to know? If I was meant to know, I would know and I’m ok about not knowing. And if God is just some attention hungry show off, then He can play His games with all the other subdued creatures of this world, but I am shouting, “Stop the ride! I wanna get off!”
As for you Cuk…. you said;
“You’re only lucky because God still gives you a relatively good life but when one day God takes back one by one what has been given to you then you will know that your party time is over. ”I’m sorry dahling….. but you really don’t know about my life…. easy is not the right adjective…. if it’s difficult, I make it that way. If it’s good, I make it that way. God isn’t in the picture except giving me the power of creating my own reality.
I never lived on easy street… I was born and left in a basket on the street by persons unknown, was picked up and dumped at a hospital, was then adopted out to new parents who turned out to be rampant alcholics. They kicked me out of the house when I was 14 cause I was too weird… wanting always to know answers and checking out all kinds of religion and cults….
I ended up in India at 19 years old with two kids doing flood relief in Bengal and getting stuck in the middle of some pretty ferocious religious conflicts…. I had a pyschopathic husband who had hundreds of other women….. God the list goes on! I could write a book about it….Funnily enough I never felt I was having a hard time, there was always someone worse off…. humor kept my head above water. God and religion were the instruments of hatred and terror at the worst and judgmental behaviour at best.
I just got over the whole question. I still don’t feel like committing suicide. I don’t need God or religion to feel good about being alive. I don’t need to know the why’s and wherefores….. life is fascinating, the world is fascinating… there is so much to learn… so many surprises, just when you think you got it worked out. I love it! -
I just read up on the posts to this discussion and I can see that Hassan and Cuk have addressed comments to me which I didn’t see and so didn’t respond to. So I will respond now…
The whole idea that life is a testing ground or some sort of exam we have to pass to get to the next level is anathema to me! When I was a kid I briefly entertained this notion. I wondered why God would create only mankind out of all creation to be capable of abstract thought, to be empowered with imagination and choice. The only reason I could think of why He would bother was because He needed to have the attention and the kudos we could give Him….
Animals are not capable of abstract thought, so they are spared the headache of wondering why we are here and where we are going and what’s it all about. God wouldn’t get any feedback from them. That’s where we come in…. Oh almighty great one… etc etc… sounds to me like someone hungry for attention.
Considering the complexity and the absolutely inconceivable mystery of creation I find it very hard to gel with mankinds simplistic view of some manlike God (perfect or otherwise) running His own reality show from on high, having us jump through hoops to prove our worth. And you know, in the end, I’m ok with that. I like not knowing. I like the mystery. These questions have plagued mankind since thousands of years…. in this case I think the questions are more important than the answers.
And Cuk, you don’t know what kind of life I have had, so you have no way of knowing if it’s been easy street… there are always people worse off than us and always those who are better off… we create our own reality, not God. If you like to blame Him for everything, then you could say that He gave us the power to create our own reality… but He doesn’t create it for us. We screw it up ourselves!
I was born and dumped in the street. Adopted out to alcoholic parents and brought up in terror. I was on the street by the time I was 14 and in India with two children doing flood relief in Bengal by the time I was 19. I’ve seen war, religious riots, hatred and plenty of killing…. I had a pyschopathic husband that almost totally did my head in and Shall I Go ON!???? It gets worse… but I realise now that at the time I never thought I was having a hard time. I was learning a lot, and humor got me through so many debacles…. I love life! I love not knowing! I love the experience. Full stop. Never once in all that I’ve been through have I considered opting out by killing myself!
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Ian says:
Cukurangan said:
Ali,
Your analysis make me smile in morning while I was enjoying my breakfast.Japan and Scandinavian people are naturally very good people, might opinion they don’t need even religion and law to control their society. This might be one reason God never sends His messanger there instead to Jews and Arabs, most difficult people to control. (only my opinion might wrong).
I say: Cukurangan, haha, you are so stupid! I like your very scientific theory that japanese and scandinavian are naturally good people. Ahem, you said this is one reason why God never sent his messenger there. But in the Quran it says God has sent his messengers to all races and people.
Why don’t you learn the what the Quran says first you, you ignorant fool, before you start acting so arrogantly and thinking you can preach to people. Oh, did you know, the Quran says Allah hates arrogance and ignorance, so you are in big trouble my friend.
Aah, you made me laugh while I was eating my breakfast, in fact and coughed my cornflakes all over the table.
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Putu Alberto Lee says:
What a sick society. Can you see the smiling faces in the crowd?
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