Aceh Sharia Non-Negotiable
Feb 28th, 2007, in News, by PatungSharia in Aceh is non-negotiable, says a young cleric.
Faisal Ali, the head of “Rabithah Thaliban”, an organisation of Islamic school students in Aceh, says the issue of sharia is not a “political commodity”. Speaking in response to criticisms voiced at an international conference in the capital Banda Aceh of the implementation of sharia and whether it was really desired by the people he said:
It has to be underlined that the application of sharia represents the aspirations of the people to live in an Islamic atmosphere.
Those attending the conference should not discuss whether most people in Aceh support formal sharia or not, he said. People at conferences about Aceh should talk about how to develop the province instead.
If there really were people in Aceh who didn’t agree with sharia he advised them to go and live somewhere else. What’s more, he said, sharia did not disturb those of other faiths.
If sharia was to be talked about the discussion should be confined to how to perfect its application. Sharia was already a vital part of the life of the Aceh people and couldn’t be overturned. republika
152 Comments on “Aceh Sharia Non-Negotiable”
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Janma says:
I have to say, I feel like writing so many things, but all I can manage is a long loud scream! AAAAAARRRRRRRGGHHHH!!!!!
For God’s sake people…. it’s the material world! It’s not supposed to be perfect. there is nothing perfect in it, not religion, not atheisim, not people, not politics. Nature will sort it all out in the end…. and I will just make sure I don’t follow any two bit, speculative religion made up hundreds of years ago to control barely civilised Arabs and semites who can’t keep their penis in their pants… if i did I might end up in some ‘heaven’ type place full of narrow minded sex deviant repressive types who can’t be trusted to do the right thing by their fellow man without someone holding heaven, hell or amputation over their heads!!!!!
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Naga says:
“and I will just make sure I don’t follow any two bit, speculative religion made up hundreds of years ago to control barely civilised Arabs and semites who can’t keep their penis in their pants”¦ if i did I might end up in some ‘heaven’ type place full of narrow minded sex deviant repressive types who can’t be trusted to do the right thing by their fellow man without someone holding heaven, hell or amputation over their heads!!!!!”
…..atta girl, well said….
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Dimp says:
Hi Janma,
I have to say, I feel like writing so many things, but all I can manage is a long loud scream! AAAAAARRRRRRRGGHHHH!!!!!
Can you imagine how many Indonesians have been screaming for all their lives, not only we were oppressed by the Indonesian government, the attittude and intelligence (or lack of) of the Indonesians don’t really help the situation.
We should be thankful that there are countries that are willing to help Indonesia in time of need (tsunami, earthquakes, etc), yet when they are trying to seek the truth against Indonesia then there are people who yelled out “injustice”.
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“We should be thankful that there are countries that are willing to help Indonesia in time of need (tsunami, earthquakes, etc), yet when they are trying to seek the truth against Indonesia then there are people who yelled out “injustice”.”
What are you trying to say? That doesn’t make sense.
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Sorry if I confuse you, what I meant was when Indonesian need help then they don’t care who help them, but when these countries (who helped Indonesia then) seek something in return or do something that seem offensive (although it may not), then there are some people who think the worst in them.
Don’t worry about it, it’s late in here, and I’ve had a long day.
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Andrew says:
Moreover , the suicide bomber number were only a handful people compare with total world’s suicide rates almost 1 millions/ years and most of them committed by people from prosperous country like lithuania, findland, sovyet and most eastern europe & Japan that proved itself deadly combination no religion plus vodka.
Questions, Cuk: how do these relate to each other?
1. Finland and “no religion”
2. Japan, vodka and “no religion”
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Julita says:
I have checked, your answers seem to be incomplete. It really does not matter to me and I will stop at this. Though just know, in what we were discussing, that lashing is surely for the wife, the husband can get away with it.
(Indra) In 23:6 and the verses before means Muslim must not having sex other than with their wives.
[23:6] Only with their spouses, or those who are rightfully theirs (Ma Malakat Aymanhum), do they have sexual relations; they are not to be blamed.
(indra) In 33:52 means that the prophet is forbidden to make another marriage.
33:52] Beyond the categories described to you, you are enjoined from marrying any other women.
The second category of the MMA (Ma Malakat Aymanukum), what is rightfully yours. In this category sexual relationship is allowed. Verses.
In this category of what is rightfully theirs, are situations where a man and a woman married each other without registering their marriage with the appropriate authorities.(Indra) In 70:30 have the same meaning with 23:6.
[70:30] (They have relations) only with their spouses, or what is legally theirs – (Ma Malakat Aymanuhum)
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Cukurungan says:
Sorry Gentleman, I didn’t think you give attention to such details to the comments by “sok pintar man”.
Let us first check on WHO data suicide rates below, it was quite clear that the countries of remaining Communist Empire are in the top seven. So can we conclude no religion plus vodka are very good ingredients for a suicide trigger. You’re correct, they’re not a prosperous country.
Then let us check Japan and Finland. Both prosperous countries also have a high suicide rates. Yes Finland and Japan couldn’t be said “no religion” but check it out their church or ceremonial religion attendance, both of them is very low especially compared with church attendance in backward country like in Philippines and Nigeria. Might these smart people be confused with a david copperfield dogma while people from those backward countries are easily be indoctrinated by this kind of dogma.
List of countries by suicide rate
Suicides per 100,000 people per year:[1][2]
RankCountry
Year
Males
Females
Total
1. Lithuania 2003 74.3 13.9 42.1
2. Russia 2002 69.3 11.9 38.7
3. Belarus 2003 63.3 10.3 35.1
4. Kazakhstan 2002 50.2 8.8 28.8
5. Slovenia 2003 45.0 12.0 28.1
6. Hungary 2003 44.9 12.0 27.7
7. Estonia 2002 47.7 9.8 27.3
8. Ukraine 2002 46.7 8.4 26.1
9. Latvia 2003 45.0 9.7 26.0
10. Japan 2002 35.2 12.8 23.8
11. Sri Lanka 1996 NA NA 21.6
12. Belgium 1997 31.2 11.4 21.1
13. Finland 2003 31.9 9.8 20.6
14. Croatia 2003 31.4 8.4 19.5
15. Switzerland 2001 26.5 10.6 18.4
26. China (selected areas) 1999 13.0 14.8 13.9
45. United States 2001 17.6 4.1 10.7
82. Philippines 1993 2.5 1.7 2.1
83. Kuwait 2002 2.5 1.4 2.0
84. Armenia 2003 3.2 0.5 1.8
85. Azerbaijan 2002 1.8 0.5 1.1
86. Bahamas 1995 2.2 0 1.1
87. São Tomé and PrÃncipe 1987 0 1.8 0.9
95. Egypt 1987 0.1 0 0 -
Mohammed Khafi says:
Cuk,
Accuracy of the figures varies. Suicide may not be reported to spare the family. Thus Egypt claims a suicide rate of zero. On the other hand, Japan lists murder-suicides as suicides; if a man kills his family and himself, all are listed as suicides.
I can see that you have used the same logic and intellectual prowess to draw your conclusions from this data as you apply to your study of Islam.
Peace
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Ihaknt says:
Accompanied with statistics or not, I just don’t understand what he is trying to say most times! It’s a pity the amount of time spent to search these so called statistic could’ve been spent doing something a bit more useful, like enrolling to LIA maybe. Cuk, what if it’s no religion + Whiskey? Or + beer?
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Cuk,
Just for your information, as you left out Indonesia’s figures:
Indonesia
Even though nationwide data are not available, information indicates that suicide is on the increase. Data from metropolitan Jakarta indicate that in just one city alone, the number of suicides increased from 112 in 1996 to 146 in 1998 (Indonesia underwent a severe economic crisis during 1997-1998), with corresponding rates of 1.6 and 1.8 per 100000, respectively. Interestingly, Jakarta, which was registering a decline till 1996, showed a sudden increase during 1997-1998. There are substantial geographical variations within Indonesia, e.g. suicide rate in Gunung Kidul is 9 per 100000, compared with 1 per 100000 in metropolitan Jakarta.
*please remember that these figures are compiled from our incompetent civil service and government departments so are probably lower than the real count, and do not include non reported suicides.
What conclusions can we draw from this data?
We certainly have no problem here with lack of religion do we?, we don’t have huge amounts of Vodka either.We could say that there has been an increase in suicides with the increased push for Shariaisation, we could say that Gunung Kidul, which many would say as a rural area has a higher percentage or religious adherance than the sin pot of Jakarta should have lower suicide figures, but it hasn’t, do we suggest that religion or a lack of alcohol are the cause?
Please in future use a little more intelligence in your arguments.
Peace
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Khafi,
Have you visited by yourself a rural area such Gunung Kidul and Ponorogo. I witnessed by myself that JAKARTA sinners are much religius adherence than the most people in those remote. Even in ponorogo you can find an amazing community “kawin sedarah”and most of them have no education at all either in school or pesantren. Yes in Jakarta you can easily find “tempat maksiat” but the jakarta sinner said STMJ..”Solat terus maksiat jalan terus”.
You don’t need to worry about progress of shariation even in top public senior high school of west java and banten the progress has been so amazing.
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I witnessed by myself that JAKARTA sinners are much religius adherence than the most people in those remote.
So are you saying that these people are better than those outside Jakarta? They are clearly sinners who cares if they are religious or not, I would prefer to have atheist friends who do not commit sin.
You don’t need to worry about progress of shariation even in top public senior high school of west java and banten the progress has been so amazing.
Yes, amazingly stupid, again it shows how Indonesia prefers appearance over substance.
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Hehehe 😀 Cuk’s comment is funny. It just sounds now he just ‘ga mau kalah’ so just asbun. Dimp appearance is important. That’s why people get plastic surgery! Hey Cuk, do you happen to come from that ‘kawin sedarah’ community?
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Dimp appearance is important. That’s why people get plastic surgery!
Yep, unfortunately they can change their way of thinking as well. You can see in Indo how people go out of their way to do their religious rituals, yet on a daily basis they still commit their sins withou any regret. Indo churches and mosques are always full, yet corruptions are everywhere.
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I’m forty and never have really liked religion much, still going strong. Humor helps. Reading that rubbish that religion is a buffer zone against suicide makes me laugh! Long live humor!
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Cuk…..
aduh! yg bener aja donk! YOu can’t really believe that: quote;
If you can ensure that you’re always success, free from accident and sickness and always get what you want. In this case, definitely, I agree with you that a religion is no longer reguired.Of courses, the truth in the religion are only assumption and perception and we are still alive and never go to the “akhirat” but even the edges of the universe is only assumption and it doesn’t mean not exist.
Therefore a religion is strongly required to minimize a desparation feeling to the losser people , especially in this thirds world’s country, there are not so many people success financially. At least a religion can be functioned as buffer zones to avoid masses suicide.
Unless you’re believe in a religion, I bet you will be end-up in suicide attempt before your age is fourty
Unquote….religion is required to stop suicide????? I don’t even know where to begin. All I can say is that I have never followed a religion only studied them. I am quite comfortable with the realization that this world is not perfect and that I can deal with sickness, failure and accident without thinking about god and punishment. I create my own reality.
I am over forty and have not reached for a can of baygon yet! so go figure!? -
Ihakant said:
Dimp appearance is important. That’s why people get plastic surgery!
But still the same ugly genetic material being passed on to the next generation! 🙂
Peace
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Oh mami Janma don’t conclude too fast because I didn’t intend to say so…you read carefully the context of my writing that is to argue with Mrs Naga concerning mythology or religion …so why I said so because it is better to have mythology or religion than nothing …facts who data said people with no religion as in remaining most communists empire combine with alcohol or vodka proved deadly combination for suicide trigger …if you haven’t committed suicide yet …he he he…you’re only lucky mom
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facts who data said people with no religion as in remaining most communists empire combine with alcohol or vodka proved deadly combination for suicide trigger
Nice analogy, I can also say religion+Indonesian mental = deadly combination for corruption.
How about religion+low self esteem+mob mentality = tendency for violence.
if you haven’t committed suicide yet “¦he he he”¦you’re only lucky mom
You are actually linking suicide with luck? You are one delirious dude.
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Hassan says:
Suicide, in most cases (except in the case of suicide bombers) can be attributed to several factors, among which are : economic difficulties, depression, severe mental disorder, social problems, etc. Rarely did suicide had anything to do with religion, unless the religion teaches it’s followers to kill themselves!
But yes, religion can reduce the tendency (not the actual numbers) of suicide, especially when it explicitly teach that humans should not kill themselves.
“We could say that there has been an increase in suicides with the increased push for Shariaisation”
‘Mohammed Khafi the wise’ had proven once again that while some people liked to blame corruption, the government, fate, foreign intervention etc. for everything that went wrong in Indonesia, the wise man Khafi liked to blame Sharia for everything, including the banana that he tripped on this morning and earthquake in West Sumatra 🙂
Reality check Khafi, if Indonesia’s economy is in a good shape: low unemployment rate, high GNP, stable currency, high income per capita, low disparity of income, etc. No matter how hard people push for Sharia, or even religious liberalization (as you would dream of) the suicide rate would still be low, given the nation stays religious.
wealth + religion = low suicide rate
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Hassan,
Read and inwardly digest, savour my words, taste my eloquent humour, let it permeate the inner recesses of your mind, don’t just bite and swallow, then regurgitate.
If you read carefully you will see that I was illustrating Cuk’s conclusions based on limited statistics, by giving him an example of his own work. I believe it is called satirical humour.
I agree with you nearly 50% on this, strangely enough! 😉 although I don’t think wealth or religion are any guarantee of a low suicide rate.
Families need enough money to satisfy their needs, and to save for the future. I am sure that wealth as you put it can be as much a reason for as many problems as poverty if it becomes an obsession, just look at some of the wealthy of our country, they may not have commited physical suicide but they have certainly commited spiritual suicide. don’t forget that money can’t buy you love, or a place in heaven!
As to religion, well just look at all the cult mass suicides and suicide bombings, I feel sure that all religions teach that life is special, something given by God to be treasured, and that violence even to the self is wrong, let alone against others, but even Buddhist Monks have been known to immolate themselves, and they are some of the most pacifist men and women in existence.
I think more importantly people need hope in the future, if you have no hope, what is there to live for?
love + hope = low suicide rate
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Dimp,
I didn’t make analogy but I only made correlation amongst data of several countries with high consumption of alcohol plus spiritual vacuum proved to be good trigger for suicide.
Why I dragged this issue because I wanted to debate Mrs Naga’s opinion that religion caused all people’s problems rather than provide a solution.I didn’t agree with her, my opinion is the people who are attached to a certain religion are much better than people without religion. If you didn’t agree with me, it is up to you Sir. Even I never asked you to read it.
Regard,
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Cuk said:
I didn’t agree with her, my opinion is the people who are attached to a certain religion are much better than people without religion.
So Cuk, what about religious wars and religious persecution which have been responsible for millions of death throughout history? Many, many more deaths than those caused by suicide in fact?
Peace
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Khafi,
You tell me how many war in the hystory can be so called as religious war. And you tell me how many dead during Mao and Khmer Merah movement.
Meanwhile in now day, the world’s suicide rate is close to 1 million or more deadly than today war.
regard,
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Cuk, here are just a few religious wars for you to be going on with:
Confucianism vs. Taoism, Mongol invasion of Western China, 1205-1209 CE
Confucianism vs. Taoism, Mongol invasion of Northern China, 1211-1234 CE
Confucianism vs. Islam, Mongol invasion of Central Asia, 1218-1220 CE
Confucianism vs. Islam, Mongol invasion of Baghdad, 1258
Confucianism vs. Buddhism, Mongol invasions of Vietnam, 1258-1285
Confucianism vs. Shinto, Mongol invasions of Japan, 1274-1281
Confucianism vs. Taoism, Mongol invasions of Southern China, 1279
Confucianism vs. Christianity, Mongol invasion of Hungary, 1285
Confucianism vs. Christianity, Mongol raid against Bulgaria, 1285
Confucianism vs. Christianity, Mongol raid against Poland,1287
Confucianism vs. Buddhism, Mongol invasion of Vietnam, 1288
Confucianism vs. Islam, Mongol invasion of Syria, 1299Christianity vs. Zoroastrianism, Roman-Persian Wars, Mespotamia and Modern Turkey, 502-562 CE
Christianity vs. Islam, Byzantine-Arab Wars, Modern Lebanon and Turkey, 632-750 CE
Christianity vs. Islam, Umayyad Conquest of Iberia, Modern Spain and Portugal, 711-718 CE
Christianity vs. Islam , History of Islam in Southern Italy, Sicily and Southern Italian Peninsula, 831-902 CE
Christianity vs. Islam and Judaism, Reconquista, Iberian Peninsula, 923-1212 CE
Christianity vs. Islam, Crusades, Middle East, 1091-1402 CE
Christianity vs. Judaism, German Crusade, Germany, 1096 CE
Christianity vs. Confucianism, Mongol invasion of Hungary, 1285
Christianity vs. Confucianism, Mongol raid against Bulgaria, 1285
Christianity vs. Confucianism, Mongol raid against Poland,1287
Christianity vs. Indigenous Beliefs, European colonization of the Americas, The Americas, 1492-1890 CE
Catholicism vs. Eastern Orthodoxy, Fourth Crusade, Balkans-Greece and Anatolia, 1201-1204 CE
Catholicism vs. Protestantism, Wars of Religion, France, 1560-1598 CE
Catholicism vs. Protestantism, Thirty Years War, Western Europe, 1618-1648 CE
Protestantism vs. Catholicism, The Troubles, Ireland, 1609-1998 CEHinduism vs. Zoroastrianism, Seleucid Invasion of India, Indus River, 304 BCE
Hinduism vs. Pantheism, Battle of the Hydaspes River, Indus River, 326 BCE
Hinduism vs. Islam, Muslim conquest in the Indian subcontinent, 664-712 CEIslam vs. Pantheism, Wars of Arabian Unification, See(Muhammad as a general), Arabia, 622-632 CE
Islam vs. Christianity, Byzantine-Arab Wars, Modern Lebanon and Turkey, 632-750 CE
Islam vs. Zoroastrianism, Islamic conquest of Persia, Modern Iran, 637-651 CE
Islam vs. Hinduism, Muslim conquest in the Indian subcontinent, 664-712 CE
Islam vs. Christianity, Umayyad Conquest of Iberia, Modern Spain and Portugal, 711-718 CE
Islam vs. Christianity, History of Islam in Southern Italy, Sicily and Southern Italian Peninsula, 831-902 CE
Islam vs. Christianity, Reconquista, Iberian Peninsula, 923-1212 CE
Islam vs. Christianity, The Crusades, The Middle East, 1091-1402 CE
Islam vs. Confucianism, Mongol invasion of Central Asia, 1218-1220 CE
Islam vs. Confucianism, Mongol invasion of Baghdad, 1258
Shi’ism vs. Kharijism, Battle of Nahrawan, Mesopotamia, 657 CE
Sunnism vs. Shi’ism, First Fitna, Arabia and Mesopotamia, 656-661 CE
Sunnism vs. Shi’ism, Second Fitna, Arabia and Mesopotamia, 683-692 CE
Sunnism vs. Shi’ism, Iraqi Civil War, Iraq, 2004 CE-ongoingJudaism vs. Pantheism, Great Jewish Revolt, Levant, 66-135 CE
Judaism vs. Christianity, Reconquista, Iberian Peninsula, 923-1212 CE
Judaism vs. Christianity, German Crusade, Germany, 1096 CEShinto vs. Confucianism, Mongol invasions of Japan, 1274-1281
Taoism vs. Confucianism, Mongol invasion of Western China, 1205-1209 CE
Taoism vs. Confucianism, Mongol invasion of Northern China, 1211-1234 CE
Taoism vs. Confucianism, Mongol invasions of Southern China, 1279Zoroastrianism vs. Hinduism, Seleucid Invasion of India, Indus River, 304 BCE
Zoroastrianism vs. Christianity, Roman-Persian Wars, Mespotamia and Modern Turkey, 502-562 CE
Zoroastrianism vs. Islam, Islamic conquest of Persia, Modern Iran, 637-651 CEWith present day figures you are of course correct that the numbers of suicides is in excess of the numbers killed in war, but taken over the course of history, I think that you will find the picture is a little different.
One major fact which you are also conveniently forgetting and it may seem a little callous to some, but suicide when all is said and done is a personal decision, being murdered because you happen to have a different religious belief from somebody else is not!
Peace
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Janma: “Nature will sort it all out in the end..”
May I ask what or who is this creature called “Nature”? Is this creature the same one who controlled the delicate balance of the universe? Or who determined that atoms should revolve around its’ cores and form certain things ranging from dirt, water, fire to living creatures? Who created the balance of gravity for each and every single one of the heavenly bodies? Who gave the instincts for bees to collect honey and lions to eat meat?
Well, this “Nature” guy is quite wise and powerful, isn’t He?
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Hassan said:
Well, this “Nature” guy is quite wise and powerful, isn’t He?
Well it seems he is wise enough to be able to sort the thinkers from the followers! 😉
Peace
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Mohammed Khafi: But He apparently does not like the proud and boastful. 😉
Let’s leave it to The Judge to determine which ones are on the right path and which ones are not, shall we?
I thank you nonetheless, Brother Khafi, for your effort to remind others! 🙂
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Lithuania? Eastern Europe? Soviet Union? You call this prosperous countries? I guess compared to Indonesia, they may be slightly prosperous.
What does vodka have anything to do with this? Just because certain religion prohibits the consumption of alcohol does not mean that there are no alcohol consumption by their followers.
The suicide rate has nothing to do whether people are religious or not, actually I think if they are fundamentally religious they are more prone to commit mass suicide. If you think religious people are not suicidal then we should not worry as Indonesians are the most religious people in the world (just check the attendance on the religious places on daily basis).