One Child Policy
Feb 7th, 2007, in News, by PatungCouples on Java should have only one child, says the vice president.
Vice president Jusuf Kalla said to representatives of the national family planning agency (BKKBN) on the 6th that families on the island of Java have to be restricted to only one child. Java was small and overcrowded, and, he is reported to have said, once the Jakarta floods had receded those who wanted children should have only one.
Java represents 6.7% of the country’s total land area, while accounting for almost 60% of the total population. kbri-bangkok.com
Outside of Java Kalla said that there was still much development to be done and a healthily growing population would be of benefit to this. In places like Kalimantan (Indonesian Borneo) and Sulawesi (Celebes) families should be allowed to have up to three children. Those in (West) Papua could have up to five children, he said.
Jusuf Kalla.
There couldn’t be a single and uniform family planning policy for the whole country, Kalla went on, because each area was different. The economic capacity of each province, as well as its land area, education facilities, and other factors, had to be taken into account when determining ideal family size for each place. tempo
82 Comments on “One Child Policy”
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Cukurungan says:
Robert,
I am not trying to compare Finland with Indo (in state term) but I was amazing why the low speed economy Finland can still provide prosperity to their people. Main reason because a Finnish life style are not so wasteful and just compare it with Indo people when they are growing bit richer their taste 100% change, their homes at least 5, their car must be mercy more than three, their watch must be rolex, when they are shopping go to Singapore. Just only my opinion, If the rich Indo people live wisely and not wasting their money to luxury import stuff might Rakyat indo can live much better and not required mugging and raping chinese because of desparate actions.
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Ihaknt says:
Ah, now I understand what you mean by ‘wasted’ life. That has a different meaning in English – sia-sia. The better word to use is ‘extravagant’. But how do you know that the Finnish people are not into the ‘in’ extravagant stuff? Do you live there?
Indos are concerned more about the ‘kulit’, ‘penampilan’ than ‘isi’, it’s all about pride and gengsi. By the way, why do you always have to take the discussion to rape? Are you obsessed with it? It’s gross. -
Dudes IHate,
Beware with my broken english.
I never live there, but one of previous boss was a Finnish guy, I was impressed with his way of life but, not his beliefs -
1ndra says:
Just only my opinion, If the rich Indo people live wisely and not wasting their money to luxury import stuff might Rakyat indo can live much better and not required mugging and raping chinese because of desparate actions.
Sorry brother, but it’s quite nonsense.
It’s our money and we have the right to spend it while those criminals, sure, don’t have the right to do that actions.
Just imagine, if I had money and I need a new computer, then I buy one, but the ‘lower’ economy neighbours are angry because I bought the computer, is it makes sense? -
Dude Indra,
Don’t be exaggerated of course, no one angry if you want to buy a house, a car and computers but does Indonesia need 8 or 10 TV station, Does Jakarta need so many Mega Mall and please check Apartment and Luxury Housing most of them are empty and sometimes only tukang kebun and cemceman keep there.
I was thinking if all off those money was spend in more productive sides like basic infrastructure, Rail way and beasiswa for real brilliant Indo. We might hope better Indo.
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Tuan Tua says:
I’m not quite sure what U.S. oil consumption, the cia, or Finnish social policy has to do with Javanese overcrowding. Nor do I see a connection with George Bush and Iraq.
Some of the comments could justify a 1 child, or possibly a zero child policy.
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Robert says:
Cukurungan,
I don’t think you can call the Finnish economy slow speed, on the contrary. In Finland economy has grown fast in the last decades.
However I do understand what you are meaning. Finland has a small economy but it is a very prosperous one and everybody in Finland has a good life.In general, people in Finland benefit more from the economy, than people in Indonesia.
It has nothing to do with the extravagant lifestyle of some people in Indonesia, but with the fact that Finland has an advanced infrastructure, highly educated population and one of the most competetive business environments in the world.
So in Finland the differences in living standard are much smaller, than in Indonesia where the contrast is very big, ranging from very poor to very rich. While in Finland poverty is non-existing._____________
Tuan tua,
In Indonesia the number of children is important because they have to take care of the parents at a certain moment in time. In a lot of western countries this a not the case, because a pension plan will take care of it.
I think Finland was brought in for comparison reasons, over there overcrowding doesn’t exist. In Finland children are not considered necessary to provide an income for their parents in the future. -
Indra,
Don’t forget, if you’re a Moslem, God question regarding your money will be two sides. Where you get money and how you spent it. I believe you are a clean guy with clean money but if you made wrong spending, it is still eligible to hellfire.
Tuan Tua,
Why you bother with a topics, boss here’s Patung, as long as he doesn’t delete your comment just go head whatever you want to comments and up-to us whether we read it or ignore it. Take it easy tuan.Btw here is my explanation,
One of the reason behind one child policy because Our VP was thought that’s Java land has no longer be able to be futher burdened additional growing population. But, I don’t agree with him 100% because not only the numbers of population will cause burden to the nature, the way of life the people living there also contribute significantly to extra burden the nature.
Let take it example, why 300 millions American need to burn 26% of the world’s oil production in which causing severe burden to the global climate sytem(check Kyoto Protocol) . Can you imagine how impacts to the global climate if the rest 6.2 billion world’s population burn the oil as much as the rate of American Does. Therefore, I said that numbers of population is not major contributors to the Nature Burden and it almost can be concluded that the way of live people is major contributors to the Nature Burden.
Concerning why I put Finland as an example, because most of us are locked in very extreme example like comparing Taliban Style Vs American Style but there’s other real goods example how Finnish people live in harmony with nature but not less prosper than American.
Robert,
I mean “slow speed” is not in term size growing and its competitiveness but rather the way of they are running business and working. I think because they are much smarter than us even their working hours much less than Indo and their running hours business much less than Indo but Finland economy is the one’s best on earth.
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Does Jakarta need so many Mega Mall and please check Apartment and Luxury Housing most of them are empty and sometimes only tukang kebun and cemceman keep there.
Mall=market, just like ordinary traditional market but with better building, management, hygene and security.
Apartement=house, just like ordinary traditional house, ups not that traditional, it’s just like building houses in one building. For me, this is far better housing than ordinary houses that built horizontally and eat so much useful spaces. Dont you know, in these days many housing/perumahan built with clearing the sawah/ladang/forest/aggriculture land first only to build small houses?
Luxury housing=luxury house :). Well, lucky for those better wallet people. Most of them wouldn’t spent money on small housing, theyll prefer better houses with better facility and security.
I pray for you to be in the next luxury house buyer list. 🙂I was thinking if all off those money was spend in more productive sides like basic infrastructure, Rail way and beasiswa for real brilliant Indo. We might hope better Indo.
Whose money? We are talking about personal money, arent we?
Those infrastructure, railway and beasiswa are government responbility.
But for the last, its our responbility too, to be a GOTA.Don’t forget, if you’re a Moslem, God question regarding your money will be two sides. Where you get money and how you spent it. I believe you are a clean guy with clean money but if you made wrong spending, it is still eligible to hellfire.
Wrong spending are to spend in prostitues, gambling, drugs, bribes and other dark spendings.
But in normal spending, its all about percentage brother.And do you know about =
“4 golongan orang. Golongan pertama yang paling disukai Allah adalah orang kaya yang beriman, golongan kedua adalah orang miskin yang beriman. Golongan ketiga yang dibenci Allah adalah orang kaya yang tidak beriman, dan golongan terakhir yang paling dibenci Allah adalah orang miskin tapi tidak beriman.” -
Hassan says:
Cuk:
Don’t forget, if you’re a Moslem, God question regarding your money will be two sides. Where you get money and how you spent it.
1ndra:
Wrong spending are to spend in prostitues, gambling, drugs, bribes and other dark spendings. But in normal spending, its all about percentage brother.
Just an insight,
Quran 17:26 “And give to the near of kin his due and (to) the needy and the wayfarer, and do not squander wastefully.”
17:27 “Surely the squanderers are the fellows of the Shaitans and the Shaitan is ever ungrateful to his Lord.”
25:67 “Those who, when they spend, are not extravagant and not niggardly, but hold a just (balance) between those (extremes).”
2:267: “O ye who believe! Spend of the good things which ye have earned, and of that which We bring forth from the earth for you, and seek not the bad (with intent) to spend thereof (in charity) when ye would not take it for yourselves save with disdain; and know that Allah is Absolute, Owner of Praise.”
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Oigal says:
Under Bush leadeship, US is the one’s didn’t sign ratifycation of Kyoto Protocol, you should know better than me what the impact to the global climate system.
Along with China, India, etc., etc., etc. Perhaps it would better to take a look at environmental damage closer to home. People in glass houses.
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pj_bali says:
By way of introduction I would just like to say that I enjoy the site and all of its participants immensly. Although I do think that you guys tend to get sidetracked from time to time.
At the risk of generalising I would say that birthrates in most countries are tied directly with economic development. That is as countries become more developed their birthrates tend to decline. If you look at developed nations such as those in Europe or North America and Japan their birthrates have declined significantly over the last 100 years or so. I think this is in part due to the development of social “safety nets” (pensions, insurance, health care etc..) as well as the establishment of a large middle class in those countries. The absence of these systems here tend to encourage people to have larger families with the rationale being that the kids will look after the parents ( the more kids in the family the better the odds will be that one will make good). Introducing a single child family policy introduces its own problems. For instance what if the parents want a boy but have a girl instead. In China there are lots of orphanages that deal only in baby girls who have been abandoned by their parents – the parents preferred boys and when they didn’t get one they simply abandoned the girl. In India there are doctors who make a living travelling around the country performing ultrasound examinations on pregnant women. If the fetus is seen to be female it is promptly aborted. Another problem with the single child policy is enforcement – who is going to enforce this policy? The government? They would have to create a whole new bureaucracy for that with all its associated corruption and waste. Who gets to decide what the ideal family size is for a particular area- some guy in an office in Jakarta? Will you have to apply to have more than one kid or just pay a kiddie tax? I think that the VP was just thinking out loud. Development (economic and social) is the key. Accomplish that and the population will take care of itself. Perhaps the VP should focus his energies there.
As for Transmigrasi well we all have seen the effects of moving large populations of people from one island to the next. The incoming groups almost always enter into conflict with the indigineous population. Until Indonesians consider themselves as Indonesians first rather than Javanese, Balinese, Madurese, Ambonese,etc…this will always be the case.
Cheers
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sgn says:
I want to see in a different angle.
Some says Indonesia should be changed to “Muslim Country” because 85% are Muslim (I bet it should be less – 75% is more reasonable, because those practicing Kejawen counted as Muslim. ;-)).
The article says:
Java represents 6.7% of the country’s total land area, while accounting for almost 60% of the total population.
Wonder if they can say that Indonesia should be changed to be Republic of Java.
sgn
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Those are what called Amal, Zakat, Infaq Shadaqah, Hassan. 🙂
As long as the person do that, then, no problem. -
Oigal,
If, I am not mistake, there are only two arrogant country in this earth didn’t sign ratification Kyoto Protocol that’s beloved US and Australia. If, you want to know more, there is also a good news how more than 500 tons of dangerous waste of American origin dumped in a poor African and sickening and poisoning people around that area.
Of course, this kind of news will never show in head line of CNN or Foxnews.
regard,
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Cuk, Oigal is right, dont keep criticising others, start from ourselves first.
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1ndra: I wanted to highlight the word ‘squander’ (as was mentioned in 17:26 & 27) which translate into ‘boros’. So the Quran clearly said that even if it is our money, we shouldn’t squander it. As for what can be considered squandering (or ‘pemborosan’) that is up to our individual conscience to decide.
I believe that a billionaire who purchased cars, yachts, and planes they never use (or don’t even plan to use) for example, can be considered squandering their wealth. And those kinds of people exists in Indonesia.
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300 millions of American consume 20 millions barrels oil/day
If we are staying in USA (not necessary to be American), without a car it will be very difficult to move around. Their public transportation is not as good as in other country like Singapore (or even Indonesia).
Because of low density in many cities, public bus (for example) is scheduled every 30 minutes to 60 minutes. Meaning, if we just missed the bus, we have to wait for another 30 minutes. You can imagine if that during the winter time.
So when I am visiting USA (like for these weeks), my choice only takes taxi or rent a car.
Just wanted to share my view.
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1ndra: I wanted to highlight the word ‘squander’ (as was mentioned in 17:26 & 27) which translate into ‘boros’. So the Quran clearly said that even if it is our money, we shouldn’t squander it. As for what can be considered squandering (or ‘pemborosan’) that is up to our individual conscience to decide.
I believe that a billionaire who purchased cars, yachts, and planes they never use (or don’t even plan to use) for example, can be considered squandering their wealth. And those kinds of people exists in Indonesia.
We should noted what squander means, for me, squander is spending too much money in so much percentage that they couldnt do AZIS and sure they couldnt make a saving.
People are different, there are better living and unlucky people.
If people spend 30% monthly for food, then better living people (Say with 3 million/month in wage) could spend about minimal 1 million rupiah while unlucky people (With 1 million/month) only spend 300 thousands rupiah. They’ll get better food instead and for some people, they might be accused for squander, but in fact they arent.
And squander means, unlucky people pretend to be a better one. Buying food and equipment in better living people class, so they could do saving.
And the last one, better living people spend zakat bigger than unlucky people.And the relevance to this topic, better living people could bring their childs in a better school. And if they only have one child, the child with get the best school.
And quite the opposite, doubled if they have many childs.If better living people buy they anything they wanted could save 50% of their wage while the unlucky one after buy anything, they can only save 10% or maybe not, then who’s the squander is?
I’m sorry if my opinions too harsh for some people.
In my opinion, squander is spending money too much percentage that they forget to make percentage plan to do AZIS and saving. -
Brother Indra,
Sorry, I am not expert in “ilmu hadist” however I am almost sure that’s hadist about “orang kaya beriman” you have been referred is a fake hadist. If you don’t believe you may check it to the expert one. But we might better not to discuss it in this forum.
Concerning who is the real squander as mentioned by Quran, we may better ask our own heart and normally clean heart don’t lie.
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Fake or not, I dont know, I’m not an expert to.
But it has reality in Islamic life.
Kaya beriman means they give very much zakat and sedekah heartly (Ikhlas).
And being rich is a very hard test, many ‘shaleh’ people becoming ‘not shaleh anymore’ because he’s being tested with flourishing money and quite the opposite.________________
‘Allah tidak akan mengubah nasib suatu kaum apabila kaum itu tidak mau mengubah nasibnya sendiri.’
For me it means if we want to be in better life, we should work hard and smart than being lazy and get nothing.
If they work hard, they have the right to enjoy their hard work result, better cloth, better food, better entertainment, and sure as long as they dont forget to do AZIS and still beriman.
They give more AZIS ikhlas-ly, (Tangan diatas lebih baik daripada tangan dibawah) sure makes kaya beriman is the best people (In ‘4 golongan manusia berdasarkan harta’) because they’ve passed the test with strong faith rather being blinded. -
Dudes,
I think better we should stop the discussion here because too side tracked from the topics (tuan tua will angry on me) and I will response to your post in sharia law at least bit correlated even not much.
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Back to laptop please. :lol
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BTW, 1ndra (or should I say Tukul :D) and Cuk, you can open this website: http://www.searchtruth.com
It´s and excellent Islamic website with an extensive online database and search engine of The Quran and it’s translation in English by Yusuf Ali, Mohsin Khan, Pickthall and Shakir, Indonesian translation, etc. The website also had a good Hadith database consisting of Sahih Bukhari, Muslim, Sunan Abu Dawud, Malik Muwatta, etc.
Perhaps you can find out about the authenticity of that ¨orang kaya beriman¨ hadith there. Cheers, brothers. 🙂
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Thanks Hassan.
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If, I am not mistake, there are only two arrogant country in this earth didn’t sign ratification Kyoto Protocol that’s beloved US and Australia.
Cuk, You are very very mistaken! China for one that will exceed greenhouse emissions of the US within two years. Of course then there is India who signed but has been exempted virtually all requirements under the treaty. France who has exempted coal fired power generation. Your hatred blinds you.
A quick look at who has signed and what they have actually done will also reveal a big difference between signing something and actually doing something. What is Indonesia going to do about the peat fires every year that contribute up to 8% of CO2.
Which country year after year makes it impossible for other to breathe and closes airports and cities throughout the region due to rampant greed and corruption. I am not saying US or Aus or anyone else is blameless but ..PEOPLE IN GLASS HOUSES!
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Dudes,
Am I blinded hatred American? No I am American lover. Of course, China has rights to polutte the world’s than US because their population almost 5 times more than US but see below:The worst polluters in the world.
American Lover
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A nice cut and paste and also not relevent to the point and or topic. Seriously, the point is Indonesia’s population problem (or not). In fact Indonesia has a wealth or resources and could sustain a much much larger population but the wanton destruction of her forests, fisheries and a general lack of education across the board is dooming thousands if not millions of people to a life time of misery and hardship. Sitting back and saying but ‘Other countries are worse (dubious claim at best anyway) is ignoring the rampaging elephant in the room and only contributes to the problem.
As for the cut & paste, again extermely dubious but lets have some fun ” China has rights to pollute the world’s than US because their population almost 5 times more than US”
Oh well thats ok then? You can’t have it both ways and any reasonable analysis will tell you that China is going to become a far greater problem over the next ten years than the US and Europe ever was.
” but Kenya, for example, gives off just 0.2 tonnes per person.” so the point is we should all adopt a Kenyan Life style, I would think the Kenyans might have higher dreams.
Of course, using stats like that is biased on its own merits. Australia, for instance(by volume, not the dodgy per captia which ignores end results, (i.e the rising tides don’t care where the CO2 comes from only there is more of it) accounts for less than 1% of global CO2 emissions (NZ even less) where as Indonesia accounts for over 8%.
You tell me in real terms where should the efforts be made if you are serious about reducing CO2 emissions. Spend a billion dollars and reduce a figure 1% to .5% or just stop uncontrolled burning of peat and virgin jungle at a faction of the cost and reduce CO2 emissions by what 2% 4% whatever.
Indonesia has the people, the resources and the ability to make a significant impact of both global warming and on the health and well being of her people what is doubtful is if she has the leadership, vision and fortitude to aviod the the mistakes the “developed” nations did in the past. Based on recent performance, its sad but unlikely.
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Ok if you wanted to be back on the topics, Indonesia has no problems with its growing population what we need to do just somewhat creative Gov. and let we be back to our own value simple lifestyle and not immitating American lifestyle. Because American lifestyle are only can be sustained by misery of other billion people in the 3rd world’s. They are slaughtering iraqi to fullfill their cheap oil, dumping their poison to Africa to maintain green New york and devastating African farmer in shake of heavily subsidized american farmer.
If Indo is still contributing only about 8% to the total CO2 emmision so why we bothered with our burning bushes and forests because that’s only the cheapest way our poor farmer clearing the land. We are burning forests just for survival while American are burning oil just for the shake of the sequander lifestyle. If our neighbors country are not happy just let them give our farmer machinery, equipment and fuel to clear the land without burning bushes. Considering our population we still have rights to pollute the world’s at least 10% more.
American Lover
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Cukurungan
Why make a comparison between Finland and Indonesia? There is hardly anything what they have in common. Finland is a relative small country with small population, Indonesia big country with large population. Finland is a prosperous, technological advanced country, Indonesia is exactly the opposite. And so on, and so on.
Another difference: people in Finland not only live in harmony with nature, but also with other people. Finland doesn’t have the varieties in cultures and religions like Indonesia does, so the Finnish government doesn’t have to deal with all kinds of religious and cultural issues.
A lot of problems with which Indonesia is plagued are non-existent in Finland. The Finnish government has a much easier task of running their country, than the Indonesian government does.