Enemies of Islam
Oct 25th, 2006, in News, by PatungFaith can overcome the enemies of Islam, says a preacher in Bogor.
Muslim cleric Ahmad Degel delivered some old time religion at his Idul Fitri sermon at the Bogor Botanical Gardens on the 24th, saying that faith was a powerful weapon indeed against the enemies of Islam, the countries of the West, because it put God in the Muslims’ corner:
Besides sophisticated weapons, faith is the most powerful armour against the enemies of Islam because God has promised to help those who have faith.
He is said to have claimed that strong faith could defeat attackers even though they wielded superior armaments. The Palestinians had shown this, he said:
With rocks the Palestinian people have been able to defend their country from the attacks of Zionist Israel.
The West, according to the preacher, was currently engaged in all-out war against Islam, and he advised sticking together, and strong faith, as a way of withstanding the assault.
Muslims unity is a must. Let us struggle together to strengthen our unity and faith.
106 Comments on “Enemies of Islam”
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Hassan says:
czeslaw: i never argued that those horrific acts were not genocide, all I am saying is that those things were not done in the name of Islam. those genocides were done to protect their own interests. NOT to protect or for the glory of their religion, Islam.
if you insist on saying that those genocides were done in the name of Islam. then there would be no argument as well that the two world wars were done by those loving Christians in the name of Jesus. you can’t say one but not the other, that’s a ridiculous double standard.
you’re full of bedtime stories, aren’t you?
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Molisan Tono says:
so Hassan,
is there any justification act for the barbaric and brutal on may’98?
which most “Moslem” are the executor of many Chinese girl rape and murder. many foreign, local and anonymous reporter report that they heard “Allahu akbar” before and yet during the burning, raping, killing and torn apart of other properties?those act… cause Islam a pretty bad name. you don’t hear someone killing or stab you with a knife and yelling Jesus name… I don’t know what exactly dogma and teaching you got from your cleric, but those vengeance thing ain’t right.
forget about palestine, Israel and those other bullsh*t… let’s talk about what happen here in Indonesia… again… yesterday i watch my TV… your men yapping Indonesia is Islam country… is this what your Islam teach you?
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1ndra says:
They are blinded as hell. It’s just psychological malfunction. Low minded people who failed to think and act religious.
No religions teach to rape, murder, you name it.
Do I have to quote ‘zina’ and qisas punishment? -
Czeslaw says:
Love is the only force capable of transforming an enemy into a friend.
Martin Luther King Jr. 1929-1968
Please visit this website: http://www.shoebat.com/
My comment, your comment – why truth matters?
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molisan, would you mind to letting me know more of these murders you listed to Hassan.
What is this deal with murdering of May 1998 with these Chinese girls?What happened there and then?
Thanks…
look how Mr Hassan changed his point of view on the Islamic GENOCIDES I was writig about all along. Now Mr Hassan changed his position and is saying he never argued about it?
Is something getting prepared for the revenge of Islam…
How to read these, I do not know what to say, I do not want to alienate a true Muslims, about people like Mr Hassan let say….
Early Christians have some blood on their hands. If this is the argument Mr Hassan. Since the dawn of human race, there always were religious, tribal or political killings. However, we do not talk about GENOCIDAL scale of murders as Islam have committed on some occasions. So, it will give a merit to the discussion to compare apples with apples, and bananas with bananas.
Neither Islamic nor early Christian killings shall be justified by any measure, nor be a pretext to continuing to justifying the killing cycle.
After what I have seen about the al-qaeda recruit camps in Pakistan, and I have seen these truly poor souls, these poor pakis, and how the Palestinians are being used, I will speak out – out of the realms of my bringins me as a Catholic, I wish that all of these al-qeada, hizbollah and hamaz crop end somewhere in the public toilets as zarqawi, saddam and osama and a likes, landed in the toilets, , so every one can crop and piss on them. I better end here, for I am having some bad thoughts on my mind….
Muslim love Muslim, right? What a poor tasted joke! I better stop here….
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Hassan, you are an uneducated insoult to a true MUSLIMS!
You a prime candidate for suicde bomber, aren’t you!
No school, no future, unemployed, hate Jews and all”¦hate your self as well”¦
Hey, 77 virgins are masturbating, just thinking when you are coming, hurry!!!
Jump on you magic flying carpet, here we gooooooo”¦.
booooooomm!
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nah… that’s already forgiven past back to 98. the thing is until now there’s no justification for those murderers and rapers. for those who enjoy raping and yet killing these Chinese girls…. they can enjoy their hell later.
those numbers are little… but the scars live there forever. we are minor society would never believe government bullsh*t if there’s yet no justice for may’98.
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Saintaro Crown says:
reading a long listed scrappy words of some gentlemen here I notice who is enemy to whom. if someone so hatred to it, afghanistan or Iraq is still awaiting, but only for a brave.
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Paul says:
I guess Karma will come to haunt these people sooner or later.
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Ihaknt says:
Hey, where is Hassan? Maybe he blew himself up.
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Czeslaw says:
“Enemies of Islam”
Great headline for Soviet’s Pravda and Isviesita, or Hitler’s Zeitung of ’30s!
Adolf Hitler would call it, “Enemies of Nazism”, and he would kill for it, as Muslims are killing all “enemies of islam” where ever MUSLIMS are present in the world.
Amazing!!!
I just went over some pages of the genocide going on in the Darfur.
I am observing these atrocities for some of the years now. I can not find a single Muslim being attacked, arrested, oppressed, raped, tortured, or killed in Sudan’s Darfur region.
Over 200,000 of non-MUSLIMS were slain so far by Arab MUSLIMS in Darfur. 2.5 million of non-MUSLIMS are displaced and hunt by the Arab Muslims in Darfur area along.
Darfur is approaching the Ormian genocide status of 1915, committed also by MUSLIMS.
All oppressed, arrested, tortured, raped and murdered and buried in mass graves, are people murdered by Arab Muslim in Sudan.
Is something wrong with the rest of the world, that Muslim and Islam is seeing us as their enemies for any reason they wish? In any part of the world?
Would any Muslim comment on the topic, please.
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Sputjam says:
Over 200,000 of non-MUSLIMS were slain so far by Arab MUSLIMS in Darfur. 2.5 million of non-MUSLIMS are displaced and hunt by the Arab Muslims in Darfur area along.
You are dead wrong Czeslaw.
When it come to attrocities, Muslim religionist does not differentiate colour creed or religion.
In Darfur, Sudan, it is semi-black Muslims killing black Muslims.
In Aceh, it was brown Muslims against brown Muslims.
In Iraq, it is Persian speaking Muslims against Arabic speaking Muslims.
In Palestine, it is Muslims lead by cleric against secular Muslims.
More Muslims are killed by their fellow religionist than from any other people.But coming back to darfur, the impoverished region, which was included into present day Sudan, when it had its own kingdon before the time of the british. Due to colonial power, their kingdom became insignificant and valueless, as the power had been tranferred to khartoum.
Many other regions in this world suffer from similar fate, including Mindanao and southern phillipines, Aceh, irian jaya, Kashmir, tibet, southern thailand(conquered by Thais) etc.
If the population did not get to determine by vote whether or not to incorporate into a country, trouble will brew.
I think all these have similarity to Poland under the iron curtain. Except the Polish were pussies when faced with the might of mother Russia, until Gorbachev gave you freedom. -
Aluang Anak Bayang says:
Czeslaw, I sense paranoia in you.
Indonesian moslems are moslem by name only. Our brand are unique in that we can apostate easily, we don’t have to change to Arabic names, women don’t have to wear the jilbab, not compulsory to do 5 times prayer, many in central Java still like roasted dog, and a lot eat pork.
But there are push by minority radical groups to get us in line with middle eastern Islam. Everytime there is a disaster or some unfortunate incidents landed on us, these groups would proclaim that we have sinned, and it was punishment from Allah for not being islamic enough.
We are not yet Arabanized, and the way I see it, with the whole world around us hammering on millitant Islam, and internet forums ridiculing its claim of being scientific, and questioning the good standing of its founder, I doubt very much we will be heading in that direction. You should not compare us with other murderous overseas moslems. Yes, we do have internal islamic zealot killing bules and our own people, but our government is taking care of it.
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Czeslaw,
Is something wrong with the rest of the world, that Muslim and Islam is seeing us as their enemies for any reason they wish? In any part of the world?
North West China is the only place in the world where vocal moslem leaders are tortured and moslem millitants hammered very badly, without repercussion. China sees them as enemies, but it doesn’t mean that the Chinese is allying themselves with the global fight against terrorism. It is simply the Chinese can’t tolerate any kind of dissent, be that Muslims, Tibetan monks or pro-democracy activists.
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I wanna clear this. I see the u all were not know the detail about your bible or quran. you will know about the true. I mean without any revision of the holy book. Is the pastor or the ulama says lie. Indonesian matter? What the matter? Hey, indonesian is unique. But western wanna make our country separate. They news are lie. That all are the jews do to us. They say about democration, or what else about love. We not wanna love but we wanna peace. Sex or pleasure is just jews game to us.
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Czeslaw says:
Andreas, welcome to the discussion, and for breaking the silence on the topic.
Both, The Bible, and The Koran are open to human interpretations.
As you may know, if you studied the history of either, that the Bible’s beginnings (The New Testament) are dated back the last Apostles who actually lived and walked with Yeshu (Jesus), or Jezus (pronounce Yeazus) in Polish. So, there is very good chance that many of the words in the Bible, may be the exact sayings of Jezus him self because, the time frame and human recollections had a short time before they were put in the written form.Also, if we would take a look at the Old Testament, The Book Of Moses, which it is, it is all based on written format as it was happening. No prophet in the Book Of Moses, changed anything about other prophets and their consequent teachings. These prophets work in unison and harmony throughout the ages they lived in. And yet, like a clock work, what they said about the God of Jakob, Izaak and Moses, it all came to past and is historically based and proved.
The oldest version of Koran, is dated at least 250 years after the death of Mohammed. Mohammed disregarded all prophets. He, him self placed him self as the prophet. But, as you will learn later, it is a big possibility, that those who put Koran together might make Mohammed a prophet to use it as a tool.
I am not trying to beat any one who believes in Koran. It is not my business who believes in what. It is a distance of time between the death of Mohammed and the first version of Koran, no questions about it. Further, at the end of the 1880’s there was a person who was known as the latest Islamic prophet, El-Bab, which means “The Gate”. Because of his peaceful interpretations of the Koran, Iranian muslims turn him to Turkish muslims for the judgement.
Turkish muslims tied him up to the wall and killed him for who he was, and what he preached. Andreas, talk with you priest or preacher about it. Also, read historical data on your own, to create your own understanding of your own being.
I believe, that each of us will read either one, and will explain what he/she read from own perspective, or based on own understanding. How to chose which interpretation is right or wrong? Then, who and how would decide which understanding or interpretation is right or wrong? It is all in human mind, and that person current objective which may dominate certain opinion. Is it important who is wrong and who is right?
Or, the person who is trying to impose own opinion or own point of view on the subject of Islam is cutting other person’s troat, because the way he interprets something he read in his book. What sense it makes to anyone that kind of understanding? And this is how I see Islam as “Islam” being a person with knife and cutting the victim’s troat because that person was not “Islam”. Islamists even are recoding their killings on videos and make close up when the knife sinks in the victim’s troat and the blood starts to run away from the human being.
Then, the “Islam” is cutting the head off of the victim and is invoking the name of allah. This is how “Islam” is showing it self to person like me. How can I find the love in this, as “Islam” is proclaiming, that it is the religion of love and peace. How about the person who’s head was just severed and recorded on video, to show what “Islam” have just done to him?
Andreas, to Indonesian I am Westerner, but I disagree with any one who would say, that I have any interest or desire to change anyone to may way of thinking. I don’t believe that Christianity will be the only religion in the world. I don’t believe that Islam will be the only religion in the world. I don’t believe that Manitou will be the only religion of the world. It will never happen, that one religion will ever be able to dominate entire planet.
Please preserve your Indonesian culture, tradition, religion, family values and be the way you are, just a human being as I am. Neither of us is better or worst. We all are children taken out of the soil, the Mother/Father earth. Everything we eat, or create comes from earth we stand on, and walk on. We are all brothers and sisters of this same man kind. And brother shall not harm brother. No more the story of Kain and Able from the Book Of Moses. Our bodies contain all the minerals and material from earth. We all are one living earth.
Peace to you Andreas
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Molisan, do not take my word for it. I do want people have their own opinion and I would appreciate if these opinions are to some degree accurate, checked and based on some facts, history research, etc..
By all means, I do not want to attack any Muslim, for I know a bunch of them around me. They accepted me the way it is, may be because we are in Europa?
But any way, any one is welcome to question my opinion by providing otherwise some legitimate facts of history let say. Not on the facts based on hate and prejudice.
Husseini during WW II created Islamic army to join Hitler and Mussolini. I have pictures of these Muslim army with its German-Nazi officers and higher ranks mUSLIMS officers with swastikas, and all that crop. All pictures were made by German officers during these times.
Why it is kept quite, that till Husseini came back to Palestine, there were no suicide attacks against any one? It is proven historical fact, that when Husseini returned to Palestine, the suicide attacks were kind of resumed, for long time before.
And after there were problems to get to the proper speed of suicide Palestinian fresh meat for Husseini’s meat grinder against the Israelis, HusseinI was instrumental in organizing the “Arab League of Nation”, which at that time was truly anti-Jew organization. This racially prejudice mafia still exists till today as we speak of. Pretty similar like UN. Not much difference.
So, this is another dirt which Islam is trying to keep under carpet along the Ormian GENOCIDE in 1915-1923.
Do I want to steer up against mUSLIMS? Far from the truth. My believe is that the mUSLIMS are kept in dark on to many things, like we were during the communist occupation of Poland for last 50 years. MUSLIMS are lied to by their uneducated and manipulative imams, ayatollahs and clerics. Is all about the control and all about the money at all cost. And that is the bottom line.
That is way communists kept us all intoxicated, poor in real-free education, and under constant terror and horrors. Islam is just pure mirroring of these experiences we all had here in eastern Europa.
These tactics of oppressions put and keeps people all a like, mUSLIMS and us Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Lithuanians, Latvians, you name it, under constant pressure and extreme tensions. The pressure have to steam out somehow.
So, Islamic clergy on all levels are steering Muslims to do what Muslims do, and here we go to the hybrid virus of Islam and communism. Terror, horror, barbarian killings, oppressions of people, etc., etc.. Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler and Husseini are laughing right now for their virus of their scum psychopathic minds is still alive, and impregnated Muslim people with it. Islamo-Communist virus, incurable disease in my view.
I just feel bad for Muslim. That is the point I am making.