Enemies of Islam
Oct 25th, 2006, in News, by PatungFaith can overcome the enemies of Islam, says a preacher in Bogor.
Muslim cleric Ahmad Degel delivered some old time religion at his Idul Fitri sermon at the Bogor Botanical Gardens on the 24th, saying that faith was a powerful weapon indeed against the enemies of Islam, the countries of the West, because it put God in the Muslims’ corner:
Besides sophisticated weapons, faith is the most powerful armour against the enemies of Islam because God has promised to help those who have faith.
He is said to have claimed that strong faith could defeat attackers even though they wielded superior armaments. The Palestinians had shown this, he said:
With rocks the Palestinian people have been able to defend their country from the attacks of Zionist Israel.
The West, according to the preacher, was currently engaged in all-out war against Islam, and he advised sticking together, and strong faith, as a way of withstanding the assault.
Muslims unity is a must. Let us struggle together to strengthen our unity and faith.
106 Comments on “Enemies of Islam”
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Munafikbangetloepade says:
That guy andrew is a kid who needs to learn more about “sarcasm”.
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Andrew says:
I honestly didn’t read the whole chain of posts, so I failed to spot the original intent of the writer (Quazi).
Quazi, I sincerely apologize.
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Czeslaw says:
Quazi and Andrew, it doesn’t matter who is right, but what is right. We all make mistakes, which is human. The only people who do not make mistakes are Muslims and dead people.
Stay and keep cool.
Dialogue is what we need
cheers
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fhEeNa says:
Islam not love war but Islam love peace
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FhEeNa:
I wish what you say to be true!
However, Islam love bloodshed, beheadings, bombing, suicide attacks, terror attack, hostage kidnaps and beheadings, mass murders and GENOCIDES, murdering own children, to name just few.FhEeNa: what you wish and say, and what Islam is doing are complete opposite. Always believe in what people are doing, rather than people are saying.
Please read above in this all column my comments. Please feel free to ask me about Islam and religion matters. I will be happy to answer your question(s) you may have.
I never was against any single person. I am not against any single person. But, people need to learn and understand the history and true creation of Islam as a “religion”.
Ayatollahs, mullahs and Islamic clerics want your submition to them, to their rules, to their wishes, to their egoistic and manipulative games, which they use against people like you, FhEENa. No to Allah. They know that Allah is a compiled incarnations of many Arab nomadic and beduin tribes believes and gods form long before Mohamed walked this earth.
Islam, is the mosaic of all these believes, not a single impersonated personality such as Allah.
All Ayatollahs, mullahs and Islamic clerics know it. At least those who spend some time to study the matters of ancient Arabic nomads and beduins and their tribes. That may be true Islam with them then, but not what your ayatollahs, mullahs and clerics are peddling to you for your summation of your money to them.
Do not forget, that these beduin and nomadic tribes were also exposed to Zoroastrism, where Zoroaster was the Prophet, who FIRST brought the believe in a single god. Monotheistic believe came out to Islam, from Zorastrians (Persians). The names of all spirits, angels and evils came from Zoroastrians to the beduins and nomads of Arabic people. They incorporated these believes in their lives from Persians.
Mohamed is a different story. There were many-many Muhammeds at that times, when your supposed prophet Mohamed walked this earth. Long after his death, at least 200 years, some Arabs have put together a “koran”. This is very blurry period of the incubation of Islam. It took another 100-150 years to came up with the 2nd oldest version of “koran”.
So, there is no single word which Mohamed have written in the koran. There is no single word which was spoken by Mohamed which was written to the koran. No such a thing exist!
Any ayatollah grand or common, any mullah, any Islamic cleric, or any other person is welcome to this discussions or comment. No personal affronts, just Islam and Mohamed are the subject.
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Munafikbangetloepade says:
The “Polish Guy” Cwsklaysky said: “Dialogue is what we need”
…. and later he said …. :
“However, Islam love bloodshed, beheadings, bombing, suicide attacks, terror attack, hostage kidnaps and beheadings, mass murders and GENOCIDES, murdering own children, to name just few.”
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DIALOGUE huh?
——————I’m neither Moslem, Jew, or Christian. I just don’t accept people like you making the situation in Indonesia — that is already bad — worse, by polarizing the people even more. Listen, if you want to trash, do it in your own backyard. Not in Indonesia.
Btw… polishing yourself as a Polish wouldn’t increase your credibility among readers…. (just in case you’re a fake polish, hiding behind that cwkslwsky moniker).
Yo, yo, man, would the real polish guy please stand up, please stand up….
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Tomaculum says:
Czeslaw,
“The only people who do not make mistakes are Muslims and dead people” (sounds like: Only dead Indians are good Indians. Then: bang, bang!!???).
“Dialogue is what we need”. Sounds like you have already a fix position in this “dialogue”, aren’t you?
“Stay and keep cool.”
You better try to stay and keep cool. Your comments are full of hate.
You sound exactly like the Islamic zealots you critisize. How many Moslems, how many Indonesian Moslems do you know personally? I know many Moslems, who are against those fanatic bullsh*ts. But they don’t have a loud voice or they are afraid to say something, understandably. Not every body has a civil courage.
I know many Christians (in Europe too), who sit every sunday in the church, but don’t even know the words tolerance and charity. Subliminal hate is sometimes worse than unsealed antipathy. Believe me I have undergone both.
Do we want to discuse about the problems or is this blog for you an arena to express your blusters?
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Tomaculum:
When I say dead people do not make mistakes, I suggest the people who died of natural causes. One day, I will die too. That is natural reality. In recent years, last couple decades around the world, a genocidal Islamic organizations such as Hamaz, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda are making dead Indians from all of us all over the place. Tomacuhum, is hard to believe that events like this have escaped your attention. So, do not put your words in my mouth.As far as I said, that dialog is needed, it is not about my “fixed position” as you stated. I just spent years and years (12 years so far) studying religions of the world, demography and anthropology. So, perhaps I learned a thing or two about the subject I am letting you and other readers know. Do not take my word for it, spent some time on studying these subjects and prove me wrong, or perhaps put your intelligent comment to the discussion, but after you have done some research on the subject.
Tomacuhum, when I said stay cool, I meant what I said, stay cool and think, before you leap. And that was directed at Andrew. Where he did some research, and come back with different idea. How can you say that my coment is, I quote you here, “…full of hate..” Where did you found hate in it?
Tomacuhum, I do know more than couple of dozens of Muslim families. Some of them are wondering about the situation they found themselves in. Tomacuhum, if the Islam would be a “religion” of peace, love and charity, as you are saying, why the Moslem you mentioned are afraid to say something, as you are saying? Do a person need a courage in Islam word to proclaim Islamic love toward humanity? Is Islam an organization of hate, crime, terror, genocide and horror? why these people are afraid of sharing they love with humanity?
Tomacuhum, I assume you have been in Europa, and have seen Christians praying in Christian churches here. Or you dreamed about it. Either way, I agree with you to a large extant on your comment about Christians’ way of worshiping. But, we do not teach hate, murder, convert or die, we do not teach terror, change your religious convictions and you will be killed, which are main topics of Islamic clerics fatwas in European mosques. From what I heard, US mosques are not that far behind us.
Tomacuhum, antipathy is not murdering others because others may not agree on your point of view. Did you hear about the Afghan fellow who converted to Christianity? All ayatollahs and mullahs wanted him to be murdered. Is that antipathy you had on your mind? Or??
In 1915 to 1923s Islamist young turks murder about 2,000,000 (two million of Ormians) because they didn’t want to convert to Islam. How would you call it a Genocide or Islamic love to humanity?After WW II in Europe we do not have other foes, except those we let in from Muslim countries, Tomacuhum. And that is a fact.
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Hello Munafikbangetloepade! Wow!
Munafikbangetloepade, “Cwsklaysky” If that is the best that you can do to re-type someone’s name, what can be said about you and your intelligence? It appears that you could benefit from some basic education now and them..
Why are you hiding your name? under Munafikbangetloepade??
I am Polish. I wont convert to Islam. I wont kill non Muslim people. I wont kill Muslim people. Why would I not tell the truth? If you wish, I can communicate in Polish with you. I speak 4 languages. I am not a jihad Muslim hiding behind panties on my head either. Hello Mr Jihad Muslim, panties are to cover your butt not your head. Are panties and underwear new items to Muslim freedom fighters? Will some Muslim or any woman show the jihad fighters where to put their panties on? Maybe other woman, Muslim woman will be stoned for it.
In Poland or in entire Europa we do not go in wolf packs of 12 or so, and ambush a single journalists women here in Poland or in Europa, or anywhere. We do not behead school girls as do Muslims in Indonesia.
We do not burn churches, we do not kill clergy man as Muslim do in Indonesia and elsewhere. We do not wrap TNT belts around the bodies of our children as Muslim do. We sent our children to kinder gardens, pre-schools, and higher education institutions to educated our children. Parent who love their children educated and care for them. People who wrap their children with TNT belts and are killing their own children are Islamists-Muslims. So, women and children in Europa and Poland are truly safe and FREE!. Except, where Muslims are present.
Munafikbangetloepade, Polish nor European people would not stand up to support murders by Islamic government of Indonesia. We, in Poland and Europa believe that Mr. Tibo, Mr DeSilva and Mr. Riwu are victims of Islamic religious and political cleansing in Indonesia, as were 2,000,000 (two millions) Ormians between 1915-1923 butchered (GENOCIDE) by the Islamic sward of Islamic young Turks. These are historical facts, and is not much today any one can do about it. Except, learning form it. It is all done by Islamic love and charity teaching in Muslim/Islamic masques.
We, Europeans and Polish people would not stand up to callers like you. A callers hiding their own identity. Munafikbangetloepade, and the panties on your head. Mr Jihad, take the panties of your head, and look your self in the mirror, if you are that brave.
Beheading Indonesian schoolgirls doesn’t require any heroic personality. It is enough to be a Muslim, and you will not be found guilty of it. Only the lowest scum of the worst grade sadist is capable of doing this. Islamist.
Munafikbangetloepade, “I’m neither Moslem, Jew, or Christian..” than who are you, Munafikbangetloepade?
Here in Europa, we are proud of who we are. If one of us is German, Polish, Hungarian, Latvian, Swede, Dutch, Greek, or whatever, we have no problem of identifying our selves here. I identified my self on your blog page. Didn’t I? That is attitude of free and responsible people. I didn’t used “Munafikbangetloepade” with my panties on my head as you did “Munafikbangetloepade. Mr Jihad!
In Islamic countries such as Arab Islamic countries and many other Islamic countries the Bible will be confiscated from any one who posses it. I heard, people lost their lives when Bible was found in their possession. This applies to majority of Islamic countries as well as to N. Korea, silent companion/mirror of Islam. That is called Islamic charity, love, acceptance, co-existence with others. The Islamic love (GENOCIDE) continues”¦
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Riccardo says:
One thing that many east Asians, and Indonesians in particular, have a difficult time understanding or accepting is truthful, even very harsh, criticism of the things they grew up with and have been indoctrinated through mind games in to accepting. Czeslaw is voicing the very strong opinions that many many non-Muslims are now feeling all over the world. But Indonesians have not heard that side yet, because have been indoctrinated into two cults: The NEW ORDER and Islamism. Both of these cults demand that people never express harsh criticism of rulers no matter how bad they are. The New Order/Suharto regime indoctrinated people with the hideous S.A.R.A. rules, where nobody was even allowed to think about the differences of other people or they’d “disappear”.
The reasons for this indoctrination and SARA rules are simple: They are meant to keep the oppressor in power.
It was almost like brain washing education and we can see that clearly from this person Tomaculum, who seems to be good person, but he/she has been indoctrinated to think that it is wrong to criticize our oppressors, “because it will polarize us..” The fact is, Indonesians are already extremely polarized and everybody hates each other already, whether you’re from a different school, village, tribe, religion, political party etc. etc…
Any first-year psychology student would explain that sweeping the problems under the carpet will only create greater problems in future.
All people, even Indonesians, have a desire to be free, but the first thing that must be done is to undo the destructive indoctrination from the two cults. People must deal with and talk about problems and differences, not hide behind them like SARA makes you do. Only then can there be a meaningful co-existence between people from different ethnic groups, villages and religions.
And only then will people in eastern Asia be able to see Islam is a very destructive death cult.
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listen, doe,
who the f do you think you are to _dictate_ people on how to do their things?
i saw some of your posts saying something like: “… moderate muzziez, do this, do that, ” … or … “… Indonesians do this, do that…”. further you imply that if they don’t follow those “suggestions”, they’re stupids / zombies / dhimmies / whatever words you made up.
well, f u very much, doe, for the “suggestions”.
but, they’re not gonna help, and they’re counter productive. i personally think that those fcking religions (especially semitic) are gonna go away from Indonesia. it’s a process that we, Indonesians, know how to get through it… in relative peace. don’t you ever think about bringing Indonesia / Indonesian people deeper into the same sh*t as you have in ur “promised land” middle-east, jerusalem, Israel, etc.
u think you know Indonesia? well, from where you stand, and your attitude, you never will. so shut up. u are not doing any service to Indonesia with your attitude and constant bitching about Indonesian people, history, nation, and the country.
from your posts, apparently, you look at Indonesia / Indonesians with disgust… as if u r above them all. then, u r free to go, the exit door is wide open for your kind. Indonesia doesn’t need people like u. (I bet u don’t pay tax either… so miserable).
simple question: how many jobs have u created while u r in Indonesia? how many orphans have you helped with their education while in Indonesia? how many disaster relief effort have you contributed to while in Indonesia? none, nada, nil, zilch?
ah, got it, u’ve wasted them all in-around blok-m for chasing those sluts. right.
or…. maybe u simply don’t give a flying f about all those. u r here only for your own self interest, doing corporate/spy job writing report / public praise for companies such as halliburton, … regardless its unethical conducts all around the globe.so, shud the f up.
come, sh*t, and leave — that seems to be ur slogan.
well…., _human_ guests understand that, at least, they don’t sh*t in their host’s place. -
Perhaps the apotik in the kampung has some medication for children with intense personality disorders.
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Okay fellas, probably enough of the personal stuff for now.
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Hello Munafikbangetloepade… good to hear from you….
Insults like this and bad manners, are just showing your true miserable self. Maybe you would benefit from changing masque or cleric? Many people who do not like them selves, hate toward others this same way, as they hate them selves. This is truly tragic, omen-like life style.
First of all, I do not find anything wrong with Indonesian people. I know just a handful of Indonesians, but they definitively do not reflect you. If you will be the only Indonesian I met, I would have rather different point of view on Indonesian people. So far, you will not be able to change my point of view on Indonesian people. It seems, that you are just mad, confused, and disoriented person. Does it make you a bad person? No. But if you stay longer in this state, you may develop some mental problems.
Munafikbangetloepade, it seems like democracy and freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of expression, freedom of press, freedom of personal liberties are truly strange to you, and to the entire Islam – Muslim doctrines. Like in Islam controlled and Islam brain washing dogmas, people who were born in the enslaved circumstances do not imagine that they can live other wise, except to submit to the ayatollah or some mullah doctrines, not any Allahs, gods or whatever. All what is required to be a good Muslim or Islamist is to submit to ayatollah and mullas.
We had similar bad situation when we were under communist soviets occupation for about last 50 years, till iron curtain fell. The Berlin wall was destroyed. Many thousands of lives was the price for these freedoms we enjoy today in Europa.
I hope same will happen for Indonesian people, and the Islamic courtain will fall! I just hope that there will not be to much human lives loss. And, Indonesian pelpe will regain their freedoms!!! I wish the best to Indonesian people, and all the rest who under Islamic and commnusm opperssions such as is the case in N. Korea and Darfur – another Islamic GENOCIDE front of our own eyes today!!! Where is UN?
My wish is, that people in Indonesia, and not only Indonesia, will be given a chance, to chose their own lives their own destinies. If that is to much for Islamists and Muslims to handle, that is to bad. It is just showing that people who are trying to free them selves from the Islam yoke, are right. I wish them all the best on the way to freedom! Free Indonesians, just DO IT!!!
Islam never knew what freedom is, and never will accept freedom of enslaved people, and other peoples. Freeing people means the end to Islam terror and Islam enslavement. Read the koran, and prove me wrong here. There is not much difference between koran and Mine Kampf, Das Kapitalizm and this sort of “works”.
Munafikbangetloepade, if you have decided that your life is not worth much, and you want to die in poor Islamic misery, and Islamic ghetto and Islamic slams, that is fine with the rest of the world. Have fun soak your self in our dirt. But do not impose your sick-minded Islamic doctrines on the rest of people next to you.
Munafikbangetloepade, you said, “you look at Indonesia / Indonesians with disgust”
– Here is what I really think and say. I am not Islamist nor Muslim. I do not have two faces. I do not need two faces. I do not hold against any one person. Life is to short for it, but you Munafikbangetloepade do not understand that principal.I do not believe for a moment that I am this or that much any better than any Indonesian. I am not Islamic nor Muslim so I do not have to prove my self that I am better than Indonesian person. I know, that I am not better than Indonesian person. We, free non Islamic non Muslim people do not believe in any religious nor political nor national supremacy over other people. It doesn’t seems that Islam even have clue in what times the rest of the world lives today.
Okay your questions answer time: Mr. or Ms. or Mrs. who ever you are:
simple question: how many jobs have u created while u r in Indonesia?
– None
– I do not live in Indonesia. People like you keep tourists and business people out of Indonesia for safety reasons. Good job Munafikbangetloepade Mr Muslim!how many orphans have you helped with their education while in Indonesia? how many disaster relief effort have you contributed to while in Indonesia?
– Non in Indonesia. Non in Pakistan. Do you know why? Because people like me, you hate so much, were sending money to poor Islamic and Muslim people in Pakistan to help them rebuild their homes, villages, masques, to buy medicine, food for their children etc., and Islamists and Muslims were using that money to fund terrorist training camps to kill the people who just sent them money! But I give to charities, to orphanage, there is nothing wrong with giving.
Munafikbangetloepade, you said “i personally think that those fcking religions (especially semitic) are….”
– My first question to you would be, why you hate your self so much? Change masque or cleric, they are killing you!Hate is the biggest self punishment, and you are on the receiving end of it. Most, or majority of Islamist suffer this same mental hate toward others, kind of illness as you are having right now. How do you live with your self every day like this, when every day is nothing more than hate of your self? Why so many Islamists are so suicidal?
Munafikbangetloepade, your comment: “…doing corporate/spy job writing report / public praise for companies such as halliburton..”
– What you are trying to say here? What halliburton have to do with Indonesian Islamists beheadings Indonesian school girls?
– Or, Islamic GENOCIDE of Ormians of 1915?
– Or, religious cleansing in Indonesia right now?Did you already forgot the murders committed by Indonesian Islamic regime on Mr. DeSilva, Mr. Tibo, and Mr. Riwu?
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Czeslawa,
you believe it or not: I can read (wow!) and I have read about those “genocides”, apart from my opinion about the definition of genocide by Lemkin at the Geneva Conventions.If you wrote in a sentence: “The only people who do not make mistakes are Moslems and dead people.”, then don’t wonder if it will be interpreted as a sign of animosity.
If you name Hamaz, Hesbollah and Al-Qaeda then why not Israel (I don’t say the Jews, because there are also Jews in Israel and everywhere against the Israel politic) or some Christs or groups of some other religions (remember the genocides against Inka, Maya, Aborigines, Herero, Tibetan, American Indians etc? ).
Wow, 12 years studying religion, demography and anthropology? And that is all your conclusion? What a waste of time. Maybe I’m not intelligent enough to study 12 years long, but I think I still know, that generalisation will make the problem worse.
You mean many Moslems but say Islam. Al Qaeda, Hamaz, Hesbollah and so on and so on are not Islam. Hamaz and Hesbollah are palestinian groups fighting for independence and against repression in their own country and they are jaundiced, because the “west” (again a generalisation), USA particularly, allways support Israel. For me their fight is righteous, their methodes are arguable till abhorrent, the abuse of Religion is wrong.
Al Qaeda is a creation of bin Laden and he apparently misuse the Islam, btw: he is (or was?) an Arab, not an Afghan. One case more of intrusion from outside, which make the situation worse.
Cezlaw, you maybe better read my comment once again carefully (tell me, in which part of my 16 lines comment stand: Islam is a religion of peace, love and charity?).To Riccardo:
No, I’m not indoctrinated. And I critisize also the Islam in its parts (like I critisize Christianity, Hinduism and Bhuddism and other religions in their parts), but most of all I critisize the fanatism in Islam and other religions. I just don’t agree with such generalisation like: Islam is bad or Christianity is worse or something like that. It is the human, who makes such things bad. There is a proverb: A knife is as dangerous as the holder.
And Riccardo, you won’t find the word “polarize” in my comment, if you read it again carefully too.
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Slaw,
First: if you read carefully, I wasn’t talking to you.
Second, you said: “But do not impose your sick-minded Islamic doctrines on the rest of people next to you.”
Whoa… what is this??? I see the same thing repeated again, and again, and again here by some people. Whenever they dislike what somebody has written, they’d accuse that somebody of being a “Moslem”, or more accuretely (from their description): “dirty, sick-minded, blood-thirsty, bigoted Moslem”.
Has the word Moslem became an adjective nowadays, like “gay”…: “whoa dude, that’s so fcking gay”…. or “it can’t be any gayer” ???
I think I need to re-state it: I’m neither Moslem, Christian, or Jew….
And (third), you asked: “Munafikbangetloepade, ”I’m neither Moslem, Jew, or Christian..” than who are you, Munafikbangetloepade?”
Hmm… I thought you said you’ve studied world religions for 12 years? Haven’t you heard of the word “atheist”, or “baha’i”, or “shinto”, or “taoism”, “Hindu”, “buddha”, or “scientology” (ha ha), or “jumbawamba” (well, somebody unknown might have came up with this), etc?
Well, maybe you need to consider changing the school where you study “religions”.
Sheeessh…. is this what we can expect from people who encourage “dialogue” ???
And for that doe guy: is that the only argumentation you have (“you’re crazy and idiot, get your meds”)? Apparently that’s the case (I’ve seen that somewhere else, in some other entries in this blog). Well…, bye then.
Sorry patung, it was necessary too 🙂 Like they said in a court: “Thank you you honor, no more questions.” 😛
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To Riccardo again (your comment from November 1st, 9:15 am):
Maybe you should scroll a little bit upwards and you will find the word polarize.
I don’t care if someone criticize any religion, but I think I have the right to discuss about those “critics”, especially if it sounds like a batlle cry.
And if some one interprete my argumentations as a result of a brain washing, then what a bummer. I have always criticize those opressors and I will do it again in the future. But I put up to discussion, that not the Islam is wrong, but those people are culprit for abusing their religion.
If you don’t understand this intention, I’m sorry, maybe my english is not good enough.
And Riccardo, every first-year psychology student would understand, that those people have fear for their life. And you name it :the problem under the carpet sweeping? Wow!
Then this:“All people, even Indonesians, have a desire to be free, but the first thing that must be done is to undo the destructive indoctrination from the two cults. People must deal with and talk about problems and differences, not hide behind them like SARA makes you do. Only then can there be a meaningful co-existence between people from different ethnic groups, villages and religions.”
If you read news about Indonesia and talk with Indonesian you will recognize: They talk now about this problem, but the education of fear during more than 350 years (Dutch colonialism, Japanese repression, Sukarno era, Suharto with the new order and so on and so on) left traces behind. If you can change this more than 350 years long formed attribute during this generation, then you are a super politician and I will bow my head in front of you.
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Tomaculum, I do respect your rights to your own opinion, even when my opinion differs from yours. The fact of Ormian GENOCIDE of 1915-1923 committed by the Islamits Young Turks can not, and will not changed the historical fact of this muss murder done by the Islamist Young Turks. This is not only my opinion, but opinion of non Islamic countries. Can you deny that there is right now front of your own eyes another Islamic GENOCIDE going on at Darfur?
I believe if we had non Islamist leader at UN the GENOCIDE at Darfur would get appropriate attention and recognition.You are right mentioning about the American Natives and other you mentioned who were butchered as well. All of these murders are disgrace to human race!
I have spoken with Palestinians who left Palestine. Some of them feel like the poor Palestinians are used as a meat for Islamic meat grinder. If may suggest for the sake of argument, take the Islam out of the region and see if Palestinians will fight Israelis and vs. Take the Islam out of Iran and Iraq and see if religious cleansing will still continue. Further, take the Islam out of this planet and see if there will be still murders in the name of Allah akbar!
Tomaculum, even your poor sarcasm shows your poor attitude toward others who spent more time at school than you did. Your egoism and narcisim really makes you less than you are.
However, you are right that abusing religion is wrong. So is murdering others in the name of religion is wrong, right? So, why Islamists and Muslims are getting away with mass murders so far? Name one other than Islam, religion soaked and emarced in blood as Islam is today?
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Munafikbangetloepade
you wrote to me:
“Hmm”¦”¦ I thought you said you’ve studied world religions for 12 years? Haven’t you heard of the word “”atheist””, or “”baha’i””, or “”shinto””, or “”taoism””, “”Hindu””, “”buddha””, or “”scientology”” (ha ha), or “”jumbawamba”” (well, somebody unknown might have came up with this), etc?”
Matter of fact, I do know about Tao’s teachings, Hindu teachings, shinto teachings, Buddha teachings, etc.. Wonderful teachings as well. Mahatma Chandi, and his teachings of peace, co-existence and human rights really rooted in my heart and mind. I would not degrade Mr. Chandi legacy and compare him with Mohammed either.
However, neither of these religions teach nor promote mass murders, violence, terrorism, crimes against humanity. These are exclusive of Muslims and Islamists since abut AD 720.
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Riccardo, thanks for your comments. Right on the money.
Is there any Muslim who could pitch in with some humane solution to this religious cleansings going on in the Islamic countries?
Why Indonesian Islamists beheaded 3 School Girls?
Why Islamist kidnap hostages, and then behead them, and are taping and transmitting these atroicites?
What is the point Islam is trying to convey to the rest of us?
Any ayyatollah or mullah or cleric comment on above?
thanks”¦
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> Matter of fact, I do know about Tao’s teachings, Hindu teachings, shinto teachings,
> Buddha teachings, etc..Wow… congratulation.
May you get a visa to enter Hindu heaven, budha heaven, shinto heaven, tao heaven, Christian heaven, Jew heaven, etc with your vast knowledge of “religions”.
But definitely, you’re not going to be able to enter Islam heaven, due to your hatred toward Islam and mohammed.
you’re out of luck. Islam heaven is the best one around. it has virgins, lots of virgins, river of wine, etc.
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Czeslaw,
I know it is wasting time, because you will never understand my intention. Your eyes are already dazzled by hate and prejudices (see your reaction with the word narcism and egoism and read again your comments calmly. I wonder what this words have to do with our “dialogue”. Maybe you should first try to find out the meaning of these words.).
I don’t mind if someone spent much time at school, but to draw conclusions from this fact (like you do), that she/he knows a lot about and understands things and in the same breath to publish such black and white sight, isn’t it bumptious?
Unless: I am a narcis and egois, like everybody. Why not?To the disussion itself:
If someone stands under continuous repression and nobody stands beside him, they will seek help and in many cases she/he will find a seemly help to strengthen their fight and their courage. Most of people will surely run to a religion. It is known, isn’t it?
I didn’t deny any historical facts you recited (find my denegation and I will apologize). I just wrote, that there are also genocides from other religions and ethnic groups in the past and actually. And, that the commiters are responsible for their deeds, not the religion.
I’m not sure, that there will be no more mass murdering or no fights in the name of religions. Look around. -
Boyke says:
Matter of fact, I do know about Tao’s teachings, Hindu teachings, shinto teachings, Buddha teachings, etc.. Wonderful teachings as well. Mahatma Chandi, and his teachings of peace, co-existence and human rights really rooted in my heart and mind. I would not degrade Mr. Chandi legacy and compare him with Mohammed either.
Err…since you mentioned it twice, just tried googling it to know who Mahatma Chandi really is. Google reply “Did you mean: mahatma ghandi”.
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Boyke,
It’s you who are stupid, not Ceszlaw.
Mahatma Chandi is twin brother of Mahatma Ghandi, but they got separated when they were babies. ChandI lived in a country named Pakis.
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Peace says:
Czeslaw seems always making long-wearying-tiresome-tedious-oohh when will this end-comments.
Maybe I have escaped some good points there, but really…they remind me of those (usually from Africa) scam emails minus the money matter.
Full of complain, very long, with one aim: money.Czeslaw’s, full of complain, longer, with one aim: hatred.
He must change his preferance, from Chandi to Chandi’s twin 😀
Then he will not mistake peace from hatred. And maybe (let’s all hope) he will be able to write better. -
My typo. on Mr Gandhi’s name, my typo mistake, I am sorry! ;-))
Tomaculum, if we argue, but can save one life, it doesn’t matter whose, we all win. If you read my comment as a hate, that is mistake. I am just tired of Islamist beheading Indonesian school girls. I have seen the girl’s body with cut off head in the Indonesian morgue, on the picture.
Mr. Attorney General Saleh, where are your fricken “Islamic principals here? you sick -psycho bustard! Did you forgot…. you are as sick, as any psychopath can be….I just wish you, you sick….. form my heart, than one day your el-psychos-psychopaths with their panties on their heads by mistake will cut your own daughter’s head, and will bring you it and put on your kitchen table. Have your dinner with it, you sick….. I wish, that you will feel what the families of these INDONESIAN’s girls feel till today.
Mr. Saleh, are you putting your panties on your head as well, on your special occasions, like kidnapping young Indonesian girls, and beheading them? Like killing a clergy man, burning non-Islamic houses of worship? How do we know that you was not one of the psychopaths Islamist who did it? How many people have you butchered in order to get your job?
Indonesian people, would you like to see cut off head of your sister, wife, fiancé all bloody on your hands? Imagine the parents of those girls! Imagine their brothers and sisters, their friends!
Because of few GESTAPO-MORON-KGB-NAZI ISLAMISTS wanted have fun by cutting heads off!Doesn’t make you sick?
I am tired and sick, of Indonesian Islamist burning Indonesian Christian churches, any churches for that matter.
I am sick of Islamic hate toward other religions, other nationalities, I am sick and tired of Indonesian Islamist murdering people in Indonesia. I am sick of el-psychos like your attorney general Saleh, and your Islamic regime which is supporting Islamic terrorists in INDONESIA. Why there is non Islamic attorney general in Indonesia? For this same reason we didn’t have Polish elected president, because the soviet bustards! And you guys in Indonesia, have same crap with your government as we did in Poland. Kick’em out!!! Pigs will never leave pig house! You have to chase them away with big stick!
On the surface it seem they are doing their best, to fight terrorists. It is all same ole’ sh*t…. like was in Poland, when we were infected with the communism virus. Ten of thousands of Polish people lost their lives. They were butchered by Soviet puppets in Poland, and soviets in Polish uniforms as well.
I would voice same opinion if Catholics were engaged in the terrorism. It doesn’t matter of the “frame”, all it matters, that innocent people are butchered by the Islamic scum.
If you are true Islam believers, the MUSLIMS of peace as you claim to be, take your religion back from the worst scam which infected your religion and your country. Otherwise you play their tune of death squads in their choir.
So, far it seem, and we see it, that where there let say, are three MUSLIMS together, which one will ambush a person, take him hostage and cut hostage’s head off? All three of them? Two of them? One of them? Which combination of it all?
This is fricken Russian Roulette. Ticket to grave and Gulag.
How we non Islam-no-Muslim people can differentiate by the looks the murder Islamist from heartfelt-peace loving fellow who believes in his Allah, and will not harm another person?
See your selves, your Islamic religion, your Muslim state through the eyes of people who your are kidnapping, taking hostages, and are murdering in bright day light.
Why we should come to Indonesia as a tourists, spent our money there, where we are not safe, not welcome. We my be murdered like these hundreds in Bali, and the Islamic fricks-terrorists will not even be touched for killing all of these people, because as Indonesian attorney said, “these (Christian) man have to executed otherwise it will violate Islamic principals…”
What, did attorney general of Indonesia Saleh went to school with Josef Goebels, Heinrich Himler, Pol-Pot and Josef Stalin? It seems like it….
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Mr? Peace Mrs. Peace ? Ms. Peace ?
Hello to you”¦. you do not have to read my comments.I am receiving many-many e-mails from Nigeria from faithful MUSLIMS who want to screw their own banks, and “give me money”, make me rich if”¦.
Also I do receive a lots of same type e-mails for UK from Abdullah, Ibrahim, Mohamed, etc.. all of them offering me to make me RICH! if”¦..
All started after I visited Islam on line web. It seems like the guys from Islam on line are giving away other non Islamic people e-mails to Muslims, so they can “enrich” our lives with the Islamic honesty of screwing Nigerian Banks, Nigerian Petroleum deals, classic arts, UK lottery winnings, etc., etc., etc..
You name it, all will be sent to you after you visited Islam on line. What this is telling us about Islam? Or, Islam on Line? Is there a difference? SO, do not wait any longer, wealth is awaiting you, subscribe to Islam on line!
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Munafikbangetloepade, hello to you!
I do not know your gender, but any way, I like your statement that Islam is best around because there are “millions” of virgins awaiting and wine, etc., etc.. I love what you said!
Do not forget, that virgins are only for those who commit suicide in the name of this or that bin Ladin’s ego dirt. To who bin Ladin will not authorize, may not get virgins after all. SO, be careful, before you will blow your self up, you may not get the viring. Talk to Usama first and make sure”¦.
So, psychopaths, before he or she will blow”¦. hold done, how about women suicide bombers. Will they get virgins girls too? Also, what a please would be to have a sex with the virgin(s) who’s privet parts have been cut off? There is nothing in koran to clip the women, and Islamist still are doing it just to humiliate and control women. No other reasons. Why do they not cut off their own little winnies?
On more serious note, I encourage you to read teachings of Tao, Kung-tzu, some Hindu teachings, Shintoism, Buddhism. Definitively I would recommend Mr. Gandhi’s biography. Also there are very interesting religious beliefs of old times of the neighbouring islands of Indonesia and Pacific Islands as well. People are wonderful with their beliefs! I do not understand why Islamist are trying so hard to destroy it all?
I am Catholic by faith, and I do not make any suggestions to “convert” any one to Catholicism. No reason. If one day you will start to look for God, definitively Catholicism is one of the religions I would suggest to you to study.
In either case, read as much as you can on the subject of religions. No religion have exclusive rights on the religions subject, and never will. It doesn’t matter how many throats Islamic psychopaths will cut. It will not gain any followers by will.
See how we human beings have evolved around religions for thousands of years. Long before Christianity, very long before Islam. I never regretted, that I spent so much time going back in history, in non religion texts, to learn about religions.
Have a wonderful journey on the way to find the real God, who is in Your Heart.
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I wonder if “czeslaw” is actually a human.
To me all his / her / its writings look like spam, autogenerated by bot.
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Ceszlaw,
sorry when I misunderstood your comments, but it sounded for me really like yells of hate. Now, I understand, that those are expressions of your anger about misdeeds done by Islam zealots. I try to discuss without torrents of hatred. We, you and I, live in a safe distance and can express everything without fear to be shooted or slayed.
But we should be aware of pouring oil into a fire. Let us discuss calmly and objectively, maybe we can reach more.
People like Riccardo, wo give such an unqualified comments about a situation he don’t really understand, can also aggravate it.
Back to my comments: I stand still in my postion, that not the religion, not any religion, is wrong, but the human being, which interprete the writen or said words to their benefits. They are the beast.
If you visit a restaurant and the food is not good, you wouldn’t say that the fish or the flesh or the vegetables are bad, but you would postulate that the cook is mouldy. won’t you. Even if the materials are not from the best quality, than you can ask: why don’t they buy better flesh or fish or vegetables or wine?
I think in the rest of our daily life is the problem similar.
In this case: the zealots are the delinquents. writen or said words can’t fend such treat. Then it is the turn of God or Allah or who else to stop those cretinisms. If there is any god anywhere.
If those who name themselves Moslems need foes of enemys, isn’t that an evidence of incapacity? A slap in their own face? But there are, like you mentioned, also many real Moslems and Muslimahs. This phenomenon we meet in Christianity and other religions too, isn’t it?
In such a time of transition with tendency to radicalisation you will find everywhere groups of terror doing their jobs openly or subliminal. Not asthonising if you face everywhere an athmosphere of fear, which commemorates passed undergone repressions. And this is definitely not a case of problems under the carpet sweeping, like some masterminded people said, it is simply fear.
In my eyes they belong to the culprits, who actually have the duty to stop and to prosecute such criminal deeds neutrally, but don’t do their jobs.
But I have still hope, because I know many real Moslems and Muslimahs in Indonesia (although my hope is honestly smaller and smaller from day to day). -
Hello Peace, you just dont get it, you just refuse to understund. There is not much any one can do for you. Sorry… ;-(
I wish you very best any way….
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Hello Tomaculum!
Well, English is a “second language” to either one of us. It is normal that we will misunderstand each other. We will mean one thing in our own language then we write it in English, as a bridge language. In this scenario a lot of strange things will come to the day light, in the different meaning. We just have to live with it.I am not against any religion. My one of the biggest disbelieves is that if there are honest and peaceful “Muslims” that they do not take their religion back for the bustards and psychopaths. Why these honest and peaceful Muslim do not do mass protests front of this moronoid attorney general Saleh for his murder activities against innocent humans?
Why peaceful MUSLIMS do not go front of the presidential palace and protests with Islam-Muslim flags and symbols?!Or, do they really want peace?
Non of these peaceful Muslims is not doing any voicing even in a small circle like this blog. If they are so afraid of their Muslim friends what this is telling all of us, about Islam? Think for a moment here. Then the rest of us have to wait for the next available ticket number and be beheaded? is that all there is?
These “peaceful Muslims” will have to participate in the next fathwas orders from the hate preacher Muslim clerks, or they will face what rest of us are facing, kidnaps and beheadings. No end to it.
We will come back to the same situation as it was in 1915 Ormian GENOCIDE done by Muslims. Ormian religions GENOCIDE committed by Muslims was the only religious GENOCIDE know to a man.
There were other genocides like that in Cambodia with about 2 millions lives taken by Pol-Pot, post war China about sixty millions live taken by Mao, war- post- war Soviets Genocide about sixty millions lives taken by Josef Stalin and his followers. Look at Rwanda’s Genocide, almost million lives taken. Now look at Darfur, so far Muslims have taken about 200,000 lives!
Wherever Muslims are involved in mass murders it is hard to differentiate between religious and political Genocides. Because Islam is a political body, and mixes with religious influences. Islamists are abusing this situation.
They attack and murder for political reasons. If others try to defends them selves, Islams run under religious covers. Is that fair to any one? Hezbollah and Hamaz go to attack from the behind of civilians, and from school yards, from hospitals, from masques, you name it. When say Israeli counter attack, these Hezbollah and Hamaz making big crop, that Jews are attacking civilian objects. And, I heard it from Palestinian people, not Jews.
Even I red yesterday, that Islamists were firing from masques toward opposing forces. Muslims are provoking these attacks then are looking for understanding and sympathy form the world. How sick these bustards are! Islamists are using masques as a bunkers, so let it be a bunker, and bomb it! The real MUSLIMS have to stand up, and defend their rights and their believes against this “pseudo Muslims”. MUSLIMS, you do not have to many choices, but to re-take your religion back from these bustards, or will be see as a one murderous outfit. So far we see you all that way, for there is no Muslim participation in this straggle.
It is impossible to diferenciate suicide jihad moron-psychopath, from regular faithful and peaceful Muslim. Straight faithful Muslims are giving shelters to the criminals and mass murders jihadists. This anti terrorist war can not be won without civilian casualties because jihads are blending in with civilians and are hiding behind their backs after they attack. This is so TRAGIC!
Indonesia suffers because of this. The free people of Indonesia need to rise-up!. Yes, there is not many other alternatives left. Peace loving Muslims need to join the rest in this fight. Indonesian government is to corrupted to be worth to fix it. It is infected with jihad minded Islamists. No hope here for Indonesia.
In the former eastern Europa let say as an example of Poland, we had uprisings:
Warsaw up-rising in 1944 against Nazi Germany occupation. 350,000 dead Polish man, women and children.
In 1956 Poznan up-rise against Polish communists. 400 dead.
In 1968 national uprise in Poland against soviet occupation. Almost 3,000 dead.
IN 1979 Gdansk up-rising – Solidarity movement was born. 900 dead Polish man and woman.
In 1980 Polish uprise against soviet occupation. Several hundred dead.Similar tragedies has happened in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Rumania, and East Germany. So, freedom didn’t came easy, fast and free. This doesn’t count few millions of Polish, Czechoslovakians, Hungarians, and East Germans who just disappeared, ended up in Soviet Gulags. Estimated 5,000,000 (five millions) of our people perished in soviet Gulags because of communists virus, But, we fought, and WON!
Indonesia, think, it can be done”¦.but freedom is never free.
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Hello munafik – bangetloepade,
In case you haven’t figured out yet, I am just a human being.
I see suffering of Indonesian people. I have seen suffering Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, German and yes, Russians. Even when communist Soviets hate all others, like Islamist-Muslims do. No one killed more Russians, than communist Soviet (Russian) government did. Communist soviest never liked Polish people. But still I am deeply sad for the Russian victims of communist virus.
I see similar/same things are getting started in Indonesia fast. It hurts me that so many people in Indonesia already have died because of Islamic-Muslim implications, abuse, repressions and murders.
If these murders in Indonesia are just fine with you, well, that’s another story about you”¦
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Czeslaw,
I think the core of Catholicism (also Christianity) is Love, because it’s what’s Jesus all about.
How can you claim you’re Catholic, if what you’re talking here all but love?
I believe you’re familiar with the verse, love your enemies.Maybe you must stop learning too many religion.
If you can’t even understand your own belief,
How can you understand Islam then?Even if you think there’re mistakes in other religions, you can’t just yell about it like what you always do, cos like you each one believes as the rightest one.
If you had just a dot of Catholic faith, you wouldn’t have to be such a pessimistic person.
Tomaculum said it well, please, don’t put oil on fire. I think even an elementary student understand that, but a psychotic elementary student might do it 😛 😉 (kidding….)
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Czeslaw,
to your last comment:
I think the problem is just not so simple.
Let me try to talk just about the situation in Indonesia in my opinion.
You asked, why the other, non violent Moslems don’t do anything against these bedraggling of their faith.
First I still believe, that -once more: in Indonesia – this was at the beginning mainly a social chalenge. You have to know, that in Indonesia the Chinese, which was and is a minority of currently up to 3% of the whole population, held comparatively a huge part of the economy under control. Many Chinese ethnics are Christian. Most of the poors in Indonesia are Moslems. I think this social injustice have caused a raise of animosity, which is unfortunately:1. associated with the difference of the religions (although there are also many poor non-Chinese Indonesian Christians) and 2. abused by some groups to achieve their zealotism. Remember the happenings in europe, which exploded in the year 1933.
Fact is, that most of the poor Indonesian are un- or undereducated. You surely know that it is easier to influence such people.
In East Java I know a small village which residents are predominantly Christian, this village lies among other predominantly Moslem villages. I never hear – till now – any relevant conflict beetwen them.
In Sulawesi the Moslems and the Christian exist together since a long time. It isn’t enough to interprete the current violent conflict just as a result of a religious hostility, just as deficient to try to declare this as a conflict beetwen rich and poor, because the counterparts live in about the same social level. So, what it is? I’m not sure but maybe:1. there are unscrupulous agents provocateur from outside, which try to destabilitate the Indonesian state by hook or by crook. They have surely have a walk-over to do this on the basic of a. things I wrote in my argument above and b. because of the icreasing of mistrust beetwen religions caused by the terrible world happenings.
Maybe this is one of the possible explanations of the raising of the animosity beetwen the religions in Indonesia.
BTW: not only the Moslems were violent, also the Christians did similar things. Off course is the slaughtering of the 3 school girls to be condemned like the slaughtering of any other people caused of any other problems.
Czeslaw,
I think different about the palestinian-Israel conflict. Imagine your country is being occupied and the occupants throw you out of the land of your father and grandfather. You wouldn’t have any common real judicial change to get it back. What would you do? In the past such thing will be named as patriotism and as a righteous fight, and the fighter was named as partisans. It was in Poland as well as in some other East european states. But don’t forget: this repressed states didn’t stand alone. Look at the Palestinian citizen, none of the world power which are able to end this situation do something to dissolve the problem. Wether they close the eyes and say nothing (maybe because of their passed history, but it is not acceptable) or they are not neutral. And some yell about idiotical kind of help which is clearly not the solve of the problem and which just aggravate the conflict.
I have wrote in one of my former comments: The palestinian fight for their right is righteous, their methodes are arguable till abhorrent, their abusing of religion is definitely wrong.
You wrote about the 2nd WW and the occupation of Poland and some other east european states and praise their uprising, I ask myself why don’t you understand the fight of the Palestinian? In case of Indonesia I see the problems a little bit diferent. This is not a fight against foreign suppressors but it is a conflict beetwen “brothers and sisters”, a fight in the inner life of a state. -
1ndra says:
Czeslaw :
Well, from the words you use, from the senteces you build, it clearly shows that you’re really hate Islam and you’re not taking neutral path in dialogue.
I appreciate that you’ve spent 12 years, that’s a long time study, but I think you’re studying in Islamic Criminology section maybe? Then you’re brainwashed to hate Islam as it clearly states on your comments.I believe that the bad people behind the religion you’re talking about.
Not the religion itself. But sadly…* English is my 4th language, and I dont spent my years studying languages, so there might be some understanding in the future…
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Quazi and Andrew:
It seem like there is some confusion on the horizon.
My reading of Quazi words, is that he opposes Islamic ( or any one for that matter) militant burning of the church and killing a pastor as well.
On the other hand, you Andrew, confused me a lot. What is that you are trying to say?
Please elaborate, what you had on your mind?