Women Police Officers’ Uniforms
Mar 5th, 2009, in News, by Patung
Bright ideas are coming thick and fast from the East Java police chief, this time headscarves for policewomen.
After suggesting that police officers improve their image and strengthen their faith by performing prayers while on the job Brigadier General Anton Bachrul Alam only a few days later has asked that Muslim police women don the jilbab/hijab, or headscarf, while on duty.
This is to invite them to walk the straight path. By wearing the jilbab it means concealing their womanliness [aurat].
It’s all happening in the BrigGen’s mind right now.
However our hero added
It’s a suggestion, not an order.
It was a suggestion that the police district of Bojonegoro had already put into practise, he said, and detik
I’m sure that police women will wear the jilbab. It would be good for them.
Reactions soon came from Muhammadiyah, Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI), and the Prosperous Justice Party (Partai Keadilan Sejahtera (PKS)). Spokesman of all three organisations praised the police chief’s good intentions, but warned against the use of any force, saying that the decision for a woman to conceal her head hair must come from the heart. detik detik
168 Comments on “Women Police Officers’ Uniforms”
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Lairedion says:
schmerly,
As I expected, you’re chickening out. Lame.
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Oigal says:
As an example..Look at our friend Audrey dogma bound and statements like
the people of south irian will rejoin their brothers in indonesia and prosper, just like they did before the outsiders came.
There is just so many ways to have fun with statement particular considering the peculiar history that was/is taught in Indonesia…even more fun when the UN gets dragged into it..which bogs them down in TIM TIM..UN Papua good..TIM TIM..BAD..laugh
Or we have ROSS (check under the bed) The Red..or we could go the POPE “I hate rubbers but jew burning bishops are ok” Evil the 25th
Skin Colour, Mythological Big Daddies in the sky don’t matter , we can leave that to the deep south and FPI…
Plenty of room on IM for winding people up without the ethnic slurs
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schmerly says:
@ Lairedion.. Run along and stop being so silly, I’m bored with making you look stupid, it’s not fun anymore.
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hary says:
Interesting that the only place in the Al-Koran that talks about the jilbab is in Surah 33, Ayat 59 (the Al Azhab).
Specifically advises women to keep themselves covered when traveling abroad.
If you subscribe to the view that we should only read the fundamental teachings of the Prophet, and to emulate him as living the perfect G-dly life, then a good argument can be made that the Prophet’s wives and women were not covered when they were not abroad. They did not wear the jilbab unless they were traveling abroad.
The early Muslims picked up the habit of keeping women in veils from the Byzantines. A classic case of patriachal society using religion to subjugate women.
The Quranic raison for jilbab was to keep the women from being molested. Again, let’s blame the woman for making men molest them!@$##@.
Make the gates of ijtihad be opened for muslims to read the Quran and to think for themselves. -
Suryo Perkoso says:
Believe it or not, I love the place!! with all the madness, I’ve lived there eighteen years, and am married to a great little Jawa girl.
Uhhmm. Odd that, shouldn’t it be ” I have lived HERE for 18 years” ?
Dependant on the person, acceptance of Indonesia for what it is normally kick in around year 5, still arguing about things after 18 years would indicate that you still don’t really get the idea.Well after 18 years you should have picked up more than just “bodoh”, however fitting the word may be.
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@ Bodoh Perkoso..
Uhhmm. Odd that, shouldn’t it be ” I have lived HERE for 18 years” ?
No wrong again, first arrived in Jkt 18 years ago, but my work requires me to travel a lot, outside of Indonesia.
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So, are you a permanent resident? does your wife live in Indo still?
It doesn’t really matter if you first arrived 100 years back, if you actually haven’t lived here/there since.
Many expats worked in Indo, got the T shirt and the wife, then come back once every two years, it doesn’t really follow though that they are residents.I hardly think I am wrong for picking holes in your story.
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“still arguing about things after 18 years would indicate that you still don’t really get the idea.”
Nagh..only some bits Stupid is constantly refreshed, but that too is not country based although Indonesia has some fine contenders
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@ Bodoh Perkoso…
So, are you a permanent resident? does your wife live in Indo still?
What is this the inquisition? it’s none of your business OK, so piss off.
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You post in a public place, I asked politely, and have tried to remain polite with you at all times.
I’d suggest you keep a civil tongue in your head.
I don’t believe that American’s use the term “piss off”, just loutish British and possibly Australians – which one is it to be? my first thought is British ( you aren’t English), though you could be Australian – don’t bother to reply, I am just thinking out loud. -
Mr Tic Tac Toe says:
Wow, another pissing contest.
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schmerly,
IM is a blog where people with an interest in Indonesia can discuss and exchange viewpoints and opinions, how bizarre or outrageous they may be.
It’s not a thrash talk competition….
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@ Bodoh Perkoso..
I’d suggest you keep a civil tongue in your head.
You know what you can do with your suggestion? even a simpleton like you should be able to work that one out.
Let me make a suggestion to you, keep your nose out of other peoples personal business. -
@ Lairedion ..
IM is a blog where people with an interest in Indonesia can discuss and exchange viewpoints and opinions, how bizarre or outrageous they may be.
Listen you moron, my personal life is nothing to do with you or anybody else, OK!
Btw I’m still searching to find anything that even remotely resembles an intelligent post from you, when you manage to find someone to write one for you get back to me yeah.
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@ Bodoh Perkoso…
Don’t try to be to clever yeah, your grasp of the English language isn’t good enough for that, and you’ll just wind up making yourself look even more stupid than you already have, and your weird honkie java speak certainly wont help you.
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Burung Koel says:
Get a room.
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
@ schmerly [sic]
What was your job before you become an English teacher in Indonesia? A shelf-stacker?
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Don’t try to be too clever yeah, your grasp of the English language isn’t good enough for that, and you’ll just wind up making yourself look even more stupid than you already have, and your weird honkie java speak certainly wont help you.
When my daughter writes essays at school in English, she has a habit of writing “and then I did this, and then I said that, and, and, and” , but bless her she is only just 5 years old.
I find that my “weird honkie java speak” certainly does help when conversing with weird honkie javanese.
Listen you moron, my personal life is nothing to do with you or anybody else, OK!
This one is interesting, as events of the last few days have shown, if you choose to play on the internet, then your personal life can be everyone’s business –
One particular bule has just found out that if you choose to use the ‘net as a pedestal to ridicule and libel people, then it is wise to have one’s own house in perfect order first.Since the subject has been raised, my money is on British, I already know what line of work so that wouldn’t be fair.
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Definitely British, what what flavour? Scottish perhaps?
If that is the case, the answer me a question – you are commenting that a two bit police chief in a backwater in east java has said that it might be nice for the PolWan to wear Jilbab, and that this is truly a terrible suggestion. Can you please tell me why every scottish male seems to have a duty to fly by easyjet at least once a year, completely paralytic while wearing a dress? who tells them to do it? is it their chief of police?
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Berlian Biru says:
Amazing, at last count there are now no less than five westerners on this thread pretending to be Indonesians, are they the same person? I think Patung should check out the ISP’s.
What drives a western guy to pretend to be an Indonesian so that he can make wild assumptions (usually incorrect assumptions) about other posters’ lives and attitudes? Does it make them feel superior to the other less enlightened westerners who haven’t become “Indonesian” enough like them?
Seriously, there is enough stuff on this website to suggest that several expats in Indonesia are in serious need of psychiatric evaluation. What frightens me is that I probably know some of these guys in real life and I have no concept of the crazed personas that are bubbling away under the surface.
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I have no concept of the crazed personas that are bubbling away under the surface.
Ah, very easy. Picture Achmad Sudarsono. If you’re still ok with it, then you will be fine.
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But Berlian Biru, your name, I thought you too were Indonesian, …well let me say you had me fooled, that talk of Ireland and Britain I thought was just a clever diversion, but it seems no, but your name, damn… this god forsaken thread will probably get hacked to pieces shortly and the worst bits consigned to “Asides” category oblivion. Schmerly probably you should stop rampaging around getting argumentative and aggressive, and others should stop baiting/responding….
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Does it make them feel superior to the other less enlightened westerners who haven’t become “Indonesian” enough like them?
No, I don’t think that is the case at all, but let’s face it, what is the point in some jumped up twit who has never seen the place making a comment about Javanese traditions (for example)?
Do you think that there is anything wrong for an expat who is married and has children and lives in Indonesia to embrace the culture? There are actually some expats living in Indo who do so because they want to, because they love the place, oddities and all – I don’t see much wrong with that.
Also interesting is the ignorant attitude adopted by some when they think they are addressing a “lokal”.
I’m not sure that checking ISP’s would actually prove a thing – as the old music hall song goes “it says India on my tyres, but they don’t come from there”.
Do you think that all Indonesians should be forced to use Indonesian style NICS, and all expats to use expat style NICS? Sounds a bit Soeharto’ish to me.
As the lady said “I can be anyone you want me to be if the money is right”.
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Ok, this is fun, let me play too.
Assalam walaikum.
Over the course of posting here I may have given the impression that I am, like most of the other posters here, a long term expat living and enjoying life in Indonesia and sufficiently interested in Indonesian politics and society to get involved in a website that hosts intelligent debates and discussions about life in this fascinating nation. However I have since realised that certain other posters (or one schizophrenic poster perhaps) would then immediately assume that I must in fact be some ignorant, beer-bellied, expat “bule” who didn’t appreciate the many intricacies and idiosyncrasies of Indonesia, unlike them (him?).
So in order to clear up any misunderstanding let me explain fully who I am. I am Pak Haji Umar Soeswrowerdjojo, ustad and great Koranic scholar from the town of Purwodadi in Central Java. If my English seems to be littered with strangely British idiom please don’t take that as a sign that I am some sort of deeply insecure person who parades his smugness on anonymous internet forums by hurling wildly generalised abuse at anyone whom he doesn’t believe is as ‘culturally sensitive’ about Indonesia as he is. No, it is because I have recently been teaching the finer points of Sufism to a group of students from the great Anglistan in the cold north.
I hope this clears up any misunderstanding.
Walaikum salaam
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You know that guy you often see at the Hotel Indonesia roundabout, unkempt hair, wild eyed, completely naked and muttering to himself?
Well that’s me.
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Why does it matter (except in the eyes of the terminally insecure) where people are from (by the way Suryo, the term bule shows a certain lack of class my chocolate friend. Although I have a certain about of tinge to my skin, i would be offended if people referred to me as nescafe so why Bule?)
As I was saying, orgins matters not – substance does. If someone makes an observation about Indonesia postive or negative then address the content. Personally the moment someone attacks me personally then I take it my observations were correct and obviosly unable to be challenged.
As for the motherlode of claptrap,
only Indonesians can understand Indonesian culture.
What rubbish..perhaps no one person can understand Indonesian culture because there are just too many to grasp may be a better way to put it.
But for the average Javanese to lecture me or anyone else on aspects of Balinese culture and mores (or vise versa) for instance give me a break. The average tourist would have better grasp on his first day tour. What to test?..Ask the next Indonesian “expert” to name five major religious events in Bali..or even and this always makes me laugh name three major population centres in Bali excluding sanur, kuta and denpasar.
By the way, not picking on javanese here or balinese you can include any cultural, enthic group as you see fit.
Point being that everyone has a right to comment and this holier than thou trump card played by some to stifle comments is a house of cards that cannot be sustained by logic.
Lastly
One particular bule has just found out that if you choose to use the ‘net as a pedestal to ridicule and libel people, then it is wise to have one’s own house in perfect order first.
Do tell or is that a threat?
and even more lastly.. 🙂
Still waiting “S” is ok for the Kupang Police chief to “suggest” that all police officers wear the cross?
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I am beginning to think I should change my name to “Menggulung Pancing”.
For years I maintained that the term bule was offensive and be struck from the records, but I have now come to the conclusion that it isn’t worth worrying about – seems bules can call themselves bules but cannot necessarily be called bules.
Re lastly – how could that be construed as a threat? It was a statement of fact, someone has pressed the boundaries a bit too much and it backfired, simple as that. As a background this certain someone has used their position to allow the libel of a number of people (some may consider that the targets deserved it but thay is another story) – anyhow, someone decided to get even for whatever reason, and it all got nasty – it should have topped a couple of years back.
Achmad has made some interesting comments on this very subject should you be interested.
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And to quote and extract from your blog “tonight I’m the designated decoy”.
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seems bules can call themselves bules but cannot necessarily be called bules.
Yea that would certainly be the case (although not I) perhaps the same with African Americans and the word Nigger, certainly used by some in conversation by generally frowned upon and unacceptable if used by other races..difficult concept? You are of course right, of no great importance unless one is pretending to uphold the rigors of polite conversation.
Threat..no perhaps not but I am still interested in the full story ..do tell?
Still nothing on the Bali question then, ok I take it you pass fair enough it was difficult to justify one without the other.
Ah my blog, I admit I have been very remiss of late, I hope you enjoyed it.
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